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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 2
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Mycolorado said: Ham’s just upset that Gates pocketed $200B in social and economic benefits from his foundation’s investments.

No, I'm upset that a person with little medical background is advocating for many millions of people to get an experimental vaccine. Who, not surprisingly, has INVESTMENTS in vaccines.
What's really concerning is Gates history.
Can you say, eugenics?
LOl. I’m sure it’s pretty difficult for you to believe that people with means or just in general actually want to help their fellow humans. How much philanthropy and or community service have you undertaken?
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And it's not an experimental vaccine, either. Ham is talking out of his ass.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 2
#27097380 - 12/19/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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HamHead said: Links to these things I hear on JRE? I hardly listen to Joe anymore.
I have never claimed to be any sort of scholar.
I repeat things because I feel not everyone is aware.
Example is Zinc.
I was unaware of zinc and it's antiviral abilities. I had to do my own research, and have been insulted for sharing what I found, and thought to be helpful to others.
And am continually insulted after posting valid information, recognized by many top health professionals, world wide.
The one episode I’ve listened to recently was sent to me by a friend attempting to say vitamins cure covid. It was basically all the talking points you now regurgitate from vitamin d=hormone (what point exactly does that even prove?) to ‘just take your vitamins’ to ‘why doesn’t the government just promote good health’, which they literally spend billions doing yet somehow people are still unhealthy.
Zinc has been talked about and used for viruses for decades, pretty much any grocery store or pharmacy stocks zinc lozenges in their cold/flu section. I’m sure Zinc was talked about relating to covid here long before you stumbled upon it, but most of us know the difference between preliminary research that says something might possibly be helpful in certain circumstances vs “LOOK WHAT ZINC DOES WHY IS FAUCI HIDING THIS???”
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: feevers]
#27097596 - 12/19/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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HamHead said: Links to these things I hear on JRE? I hardly listen to Joe anymore.
I have never claimed to be any sort of scholar.
I repeat things because I feel not everyone is aware.
Example is Zinc.
I was unaware of zinc and it's antiviral abilities. I had to do my own research, and have been insulted for sharing what I found, and thought to be helpful to others.
And am continually insulted after posting valid information, recognized by many top health professionals, world wide.
The one episode I’ve listened to recently was sent to me by a friend attempting to say vitamins cure covid. It was basically all the talking points you now regurgitate from vitamin d=hormone (what point exactly does that even prove?) to ‘just take your vitamins’ to ‘why doesn’t the government just promote good health’, which they literally spend billions doing yet somehow people are still unhealthy.
Zinc has been talked about and used for viruses for decades, pretty much any grocery store or pharmacy stocks zinc lozenges in their cold/flu section. I’m sure Zinc was talked about relating to covid here long before you stumbled upon it, but most of us know the difference between preliminary research that says something might possibly be helpful in certain circumstances vs “LOOK WHAT ZINC DOES WHY IS FAUCI HIDING THIS???”

Yeah, there's all sorts of commercials about multivitamins and such, and Fauci knows those benefits, yet I don't recall hearing him say much about them back in February-March.
Which episode of jre was that? I didn't see it. Rogan is all about that personal health. So, on why he's being criticized for being listend to. What were their talking points, because all I said here was vitamin D is a horomone, and not much else. What did they say?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil] 1
#27097623 - 12/19/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enlil said: And it's not an experimental vaccine, either. Ham is talking out of his ass.
They're brand new, just out of phase three trials, with emergency use authorization from an FDA.
I can't see how they're not experimental.
Coronavirus vaccine research has been done for years. Many don't make it past animal trials.
I suppose, we are animals.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 1
#27097756 - 12/19/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Are we not in pandemic?
Perhaps he told some truth there in those first 30 seconds of speech.
I agree, we aren't in a pandemic because it is no longer prevalent in other countries.
Didn't Australia have like, 0 cases or whatever?
Seriously man there's NO conspiracy and this IS a pandemic. If you want to read how Victoria eliminated covid with a logical plan this is the blueprint from the Gratten Institute.
New South Wales has found 79 cases in the last week, the first community outbreak for weeks. The source is most likely from airline crew from the U.S. however that is unconfirmed as yet. I think it's clever that sewerage testing is being used and is very effective in pin pointing the outbreaks. This is what contract tracing information released to the public looks like, so that people know which venues have been exposed to covid and which people need to be tested and self isolated. NSW Health
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perhaps we should stop letting ham direct the discussion in this thread, it's clear it's going nowhere and as much as dunking on people can be fun, what is even the point.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Ezuma] 1
#27097811 - 12/19/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I guess as long as the information is discussed this is what the discussion is going to be?... like, I'm an electrician not a Doctor and don't really like posting stuff above my pay grade.
At least he tries to back up his argument with links and I don't doubt his sincerity. As long as we keep things civil yeah?
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Stable Genius said: I guess as long as the information is discussed this is what the discussion is going to be?... like, I'm an electrician not a Doctor and don't really like posting stuff above my pay grade.
At least he tries to back up his argument with links and I don't doubt his sincerity. As long as we keep things civil yeah?
Open discussion should be encouraged. It's how science gets done.
Speaking of links. There's lots of them.
History is fun.
SARS1 is a coronavirus. What was global political environment like around 2002-2003? I wasn't paying attention like I am now.
Never forget 9/11, 2001. RIP.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 1
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Yes your vitamin talk is encouraged what isn't is baseless anti masking claims that never come from reputable scientific sources because mask do work. So in short using vitamins is great but casting doubt on how bad this virus is and whether we should use masks or not has no place in the conversation anymore. We tried that, it failed, we couldve saved more move on
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 1
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open discussion is a good ideal, but for a discussion to be useful or even cogent, on the internet in particular, there does come a point where some contributions are worth ignoring. Not censoring, but its a common tactic that people derail informative discussions with bad faith arguments and tossing in bunk 'facts', although I am not sure that you are arguing in bad faith, you seem to really believe your points.
what are you saying, everyone knows covid and sars are related... what's your point? One of these pandemics has killed hundreds of thousands of americans, the other did not. 9/11 hasn't got anything on covid. its laughable you make an appeal to science. You can post however many conspiracy theories you like, but covid is real, its killing people. There's room for debate on how best to treat it and what constitutes an overreaction or under reaction. But vitamin d and c, however useful -and to be honest their use is pretty widespread already- are not sufficient to beat this virus. Ans the fact that you don't hear much talk about vitamin d is not a sign of a huge covid conspiracy, but a sign that reputable researchers don't think it is sufficient to end the pandemic.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 1
#27098059 - 12/19/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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HamHead said: What was global political environment like around 2002-2003? I wasn't paying attention like I am now.
Never forget 9/11, 2001. RIP.
2002.... The Patriot Act! Airport security went through the roof. Canada was set to legalise pot but was threatened with economic ruin by the U.S. if they did. The weapons of mass destruction discussion was in full swing. SARS was an Asian problem. Western people looked on with amusement at people wearing masks and didn't quite understand the value of not looking cool by wearing one. Australia had already seen it's own outbreak of a zoonotic disease by then(Hendra virus). Thankfully it wasn't easily transmittable as it had a 70% mortality rate in humans. That's what I recall without asking Google
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Seeing lots of HCW posts from LA and it sounds like things there are spinning out of control the way New York did in March.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27098083 - 12/19/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, it's getting bad.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil] 2
#27098098 - 12/19/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Guess they’re not taking their zinc.
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Zinc mines dun dried up, ma... Guess we'll have to wander eastway lest we catch the really bad covid and pass....wagons east!
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SARS: Timeline of an Outbreak
SARS1 coronavirus was also a Canadian 'thing'.
Seems to have reached US boarders too.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15030690/
"Lack of SARS transmission among healthcare workers, United States
We identified 110 healthcare workers with exposure within droplet range (i.e., 3 feet) to six SARS-CoV-positive patients. Forty-five healthcare workers had exposure without any mask use, 72 had exposure without eye protection, and 40 reported direct skin-to-skin contact. Potential droplet- and aerosol-generating procedures were infrequent: 5% of healthcare workers manipulated a patient's airway, and 4% administered aerosolized medication. Despite numerous unprotected exposures, there was no serologic evidence of healthcare-related SARS-CoV transmission."

Just saying, look at those unprotected exposures. Digging deeper.
"The Toronto SARS outbreak occurred in two waves—March to April and April to July 2003 (Figure 2).[4] In total, 44 people in Canada died from SARS, approximately 400 became ill, and 25,000 Toronto residents were placed in quarantine.[5]Approximately 85% of all Canadian SARS cases occurred in Ontario.[3] As the only city outside of Asia that was affected significantly, Toronto received intense media coverage. Reporters and broadcasters converged on the city and fuelled speculation that SARS was spreading through the community, even though transmission of SARS was limited primarily to hospitals and households that had contact with patients. The concerns by international media eventually led the World Health Organization (WHO) to issue a travel advisory.
The travel advisory had a devastating economic and social impact on Toronto. Tourism sustained a $350 million loss and retail sales declined by $380 million compared with usual seasonal business.[5] Not surprisingly, the travel advisory was controversial.[6] The advisory was lifted just a few days later on 30 April, when the last presumed SARS case was diagnosed.
SARS II The SARS outbreak was believed to be over in early May 2003, when no new cases had been identified after two incubation periods. Consequently, the enhanced infection control practices that had been implemented were observed less strictly, along with the many rules concerning protective gear and limitations on hospital visitors and procedures. However, on 23 May public health officials announced that five people were under investigation for SARS, and this ultimately led to a second phase of the outbreak, “SARS II.” Infection control precautions were reinstituted and control of transmission was achieved promptly."
So, it seems SARS1 was found in USA but never took hold? Even after those unprotected exposures and all that ruckus in Canada, only 44 died in Canada from SARS1.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/9781444305012.ch6
"In retrospect, the press’ framing of the SARS outbreak was problematic in that it politicized the crisis along partisan lines, drawing the spotlight away from healthcare workers and the more substantive health policy story. The Canadian press became an autonomous actor in the SARS crisis, in much the same way that the American media did after Hurricane Katrina flooded New Orleans (United States House of Representatives 2006a, pp. 163–82). Both of these examples illustrate just how powerful the press is in constructing reality in the public mind. Frequently, misinformation, rumor, and speculation compete for headlines with on-the-ground reporting and in-depth analysis. Truth is often a victim, and reporting in times of imperfect information can be speculative and highly personalized, focusing on individual triumph and tragedy."
Again, history is fun.
Looking back at responses to previous 'outbreaks' says a lot on how SARS2 is being portrayed.
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Mycolorado said: Guess they’re not taking their zinc. 

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Sulfurshelfsean said: Zinc mines dun dried up, ma... Guess we'll have to wander eastway lest we catch the really bad covid and pass....wagons east!
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 2
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HamHead said: SARS: Timeline of an Outbreak
SARS1 coronavirus was also a Canadian 'thing'.
Seems to have reached US boarders too.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15030690/
"Lack of SARS transmission among healthcare workers, United States
We identified 110 healthcare workers with exposure within droplet range (i.e., 3 feet) to six SARS-CoV-positive patients. Forty-five healthcare workers had exposure without any mask use, 72 had exposure without eye protection, and 40 reported direct skin-to-skin contact. Potential droplet- and aerosol-generating procedures were infrequent: 5% of healthcare workers manipulated a patient's airway, and 4% administered aerosolized medication. Despite numerous unprotected exposures, there was no serologic evidence of healthcare-related SARS-CoV transmission."

Just saying, look at those unprotected exposures. Digging deeper.
"The Toronto SARS outbreak occurred in two waves—March to April and April to July 2003 (Figure 2).[4] In total, 44 people in Canada died from SARS, approximately 400 became ill, and 25,000 Toronto residents were placed in quarantine.[5]Approximately 85% of all Canadian SARS cases occurred in Ontario.[3] As the only city outside of Asia that was affected significantly, Toronto received intense media coverage. Reporters and broadcasters converged on the city and fuelled speculation that SARS was spreading through the community, even though transmission of SARS was limited primarily to hospitals and households that had contact with patients. The concerns by international media eventually led the World Health Organization (WHO) to issue a travel advisory.
The travel advisory had a devastating economic and social impact on Toronto. Tourism sustained a $350 million loss and retail sales declined by $380 million compared with usual seasonal business.[5] Not surprisingly, the travel advisory was controversial.[6] The advisory was lifted just a few days later on 30 April, when the last presumed SARS case was diagnosed.
SARS II The SARS outbreak was believed to be over in early May 2003, when no new cases had been identified after two incubation periods. Consequently, the enhanced infection control practices that had been implemented were observed less strictly, along with the many rules concerning protective gear and limitations on hospital visitors and procedures. However, on 23 May public health officials announced that five people were under investigation for SARS, and this ultimately led to a second phase of the outbreak, “SARS II.” Infection control precautions were reinstituted and control of transmission was achieved promptly."
So, it seems SARS1 was found in USA but never took hold? Even after those unprotected exposures and all that ruckus in Canada, only 44 died in Canada from SARS1.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/9781444305012.ch6
"In retrospect, the press’ framing of the SARS outbreak was problematic in that it politicized the crisis along partisan lines, drawing the spotlight away from healthcare workers and the more substantive health policy story. The Canadian press became an autonomous actor in the SARS crisis, in much the same way that the American media did after Hurricane Katrina flooded New Orleans (United States House of Representatives 2006a, pp. 163–82). Both of these examples illustrate just how powerful the press is in constructing reality in the public mind. Frequently, misinformation, rumor, and speculation compete for headlines with on-the-ground reporting and in-depth analysis. Truth is often a victim, and reporting in times of imperfect information can be speculative and highly personalized, focusing on individual triumph and tragedy."
Again, history is fun.
Looking back at responses to previous 'outbreaks' says a lot on how SARS2 is being portrayed.
you do know sars1 and sars2 are different things... or are you saying the fact that 'sars1' didn't kill very many people, means that sars2 can't be... even though we have numbers on that?
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