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Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage?
    #27098090 - 12/19/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage?


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: Nemo98]
    #27098095 - 12/19/20 04:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Not in my opinion, but I drank heavily for like 10 years. Who am I to judge.


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: anatomality]
    #27098729 - 12/20/20 03:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

a friend of mine said: when being high on amanita, you puke your soul out of your body and enjoy it - 10/10 would not recommend.

why would anyone think about using dangerous substances like this, datura, brugmansia, belladonna, etc. - when there are so many better and safer options.
we are literally in the shroomery, just stick with the safe bets, if you want to get wasted, use 30g dry shrooms and you got enough to trip the f out without risking your life.
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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: Jim Nemo]
    #27098986 - 12/20/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Noone ever died from eating amanita muscaria. It's a myth that this mushroom is deadly poisonous.

It's totally different from psilocybin mushrooms though. Muscimol primaly acts on the GABA receptors, leading to a drunken trippy feeling similar to alcohol.
If you take much you have to puke. If you take too much you black out with no recollection. All similar to alcohol. Yes high doses are bad for you liver.

Nevertheless, Amanitas do make you trip.
But it's totally different and should not be compared to a psychedelic experience at all. It's a drunken, dreamy state of mind, with lucid day-dreams and expanded thoughts.

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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27099380 - 12/20/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, Amanita's feel like a natural version of Xanax to me, maybe with a bit of a trippy twist to it, but definitely not Psychedelic and i don't see why people think this is some great mushrooms, that's Psilocybin mushrooms, not Amanita's.


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: Nemo98]
    #27099425 - 12/20/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think amanita is worth trying at least once, at a high enough dose to go beyond just feeling drunk. Just do a 30-40 minute boil (converts more toxic ibotenic acid to more active muscimol, I believe), and drink the liquid after reducing. In my one experience the effects were biased much more towards physical ones than mental ones, though the short peak of the experience was like dreaming.

I'm planning to do amanita at least once more, in combination with psilo mushrooms. I also have a blended herb mixture that I vape occasionally which includes amanita, blue lotus, and calea as the primary components. Gives a nice head high after 4-5 draws.


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: quillip]
    #27099433 - 12/20/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah i think Amanita's could go well combined with other things. For example it could take the place of the Lemon Balm tea i use for smoothing out the come up, perhaps, or otherwise provide some nice synergy.

I've had low and high dosages of Amanaita's on their own, never really got much from them, tried em' in properly boiled tea, tried chewing and eating the dry caps, it's definitely been effective but for me anyways there's just not much drawing me to it. The effects are rather lame in comparison to actual Psychedelics, hence why Amanita's are still legal. They do have their benefits imo, and their medicinal uses, but as far as true spiritual/religious/mystical content goes, nadda, ime.


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: Jim Nemo]
    #27099582 - 12/20/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The reason why I am and maybe others are interested in deliriants is that they are legal and easy to get, if i had the option of any of the main psychedelics then I wouldn’t be as interested in the others,  if you don't have the access to dmt, psilocybin etc at least you can have some interesting experiences.


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: Nemo98]
    #27101319 - 12/21/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

you could order shroom growkits or legal lsd analogues like 1p-/1cp-lsd, ald52 etc... or head into the DNMs and find the original -25 there...


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: Nemo98]
    #27101320 - 12/21/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Nemo98 said:
The reason why I am and maybe others are interested in deliriants is that they are legal and easy to get, if i had the option of any of the main psychedelics then I wouldn’t be as interested in the others,  if you don't have the access to dmt, psilocybin etc at least you can have some interesting experiences.




I mean, I'm sure you can find shrooms. How is amanita easier to find?


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: epilectric]
    #27101499 - 12/21/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I am extremely interested in legal alternatives like the ones you mention I have looked at a few websites and talked to people from these websites and it seems very sketchy as they almost always sell illegal stuff alongside possible legal stuff and I'm not sure where to find out if any of these obscure designer drugs are legal where I live, also what is the DNMs? I am currently trying to grow but I'm not having any luck.


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: anatomality]
    #27101512 - 12/21/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Psilocybin is much harder to find for me at least since I don't have much trouble finding amanita but haven't found any cubensis but I just started looking for them a year ago also if you don't have any amanita where you live you can just buy them online.


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: Nemo98]
    #27101880 - 12/22/20 12:17 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

One word: AMATOXINS.

Personally, I'd avoid all amanita species. Not worth anything that MIGHT come out of it...other than misery as other users have said.

Every mushroom book I own says don't risk consuming these, even veteran foragers.


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27101900 - 12/22/20 12:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Does muscaria or pantherina contain amatoxin?


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: Nemo98]
    #27101906 - 12/22/20 01:18 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Does muscaria or pantherina contain amatoxin?




Muscaria is especially toxic to humans, some of the highest levels (Destroying Angel I believe is the biggest, most lethal mushroom to humans from what I gather? It can kill a full grown male human faster than any fungus I believe.)

Panther caps aren't 100% verifiable but appear to be toxic in varying doses, not as bad as the above, but not worth risking via experimentation at all IMHO.

"The destroying angel (Amanita bisporigera) and the death cap (Amanita phalloides) account for the overwhelming majority of deaths due to mushroom poisoning. The toxin responsible for this is amatoxin, which inhibits RNA polymerase II and III. Symptoms do not appear for 5 to 24 hours, by which time the toxins may already be absorbed and the damage (destruction of liver and kidney tissues) is irreversible. As little as half a mushroom cap can be fatal if the victim is not treated quickly enough. The symptoms include vomiting, cramps, delirium, convulsions, and diarrhea. In one study, people who had ingested the toxin were treated with "fluid and electrolyte replacement, oral activated charcoal and lactulose, IV penicillin, combined hemodialysis and hemoperfusion in two 8-hour sessions", some with "IV thioctic acid, others IV silibinin" and all received a "special diet". It was concluded that "...intensive combined treatment applied in these cases is effective in relieving patients with both moderate and severe amanitin poisoning.".[2]" -SOURCE


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27102106 - 12/22/20 07:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I mean there's no rush dude. Just wait and you'll find them one day when it's supposed to happen.


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: anatomality]
    #27102357 - 12/22/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Amanita muscaria does not contain amatoxins in any appreciable amount, or there wouldn't be any people alive descended from cultures that used it. I understand that people used to fear the muscarine content, but that has also been found to be negligible in A. muscaria. (As you'll note, Loaded Shaman's source lists bisporigera and phalloides as the amatoxin species, not muscaria)

Now I wouldn't go out and start picking random red and white mushrooms from the forest, because I don't have the ID skills to differentiate between those that do contain amatoxins and those that don't. But so long as you can trust your source to be doing that ID for you (if you don't have the skills), there shouldn't be a problem.


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: quillip]
    #27103303 - 12/22/20 11:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The reason there is so much hype around amanita muscaria is because it is always the typical mushrooms depicted in Mario and also any kind of fairy or fantasy story.

From what I've heard of it I would never want to do it. Not worth it.


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: quillip]
    #27103332 - 12/23/20 12:12 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Amanita muscaria does not contain amatoxins in any appreciable amount, or there wouldn't be any people alive descended from cultures that used it. I understand that people used to fear the muscarine content, but that has also been found to be negligible in A. muscaria. (As you'll note, Loaded Shaman's source lists bisporigera and phalloides as the amatoxin species, not muscaria)

Now I wouldn't go out and start picking random red and white mushrooms from the forest, because I don't have the ID skills to differentiate between those that do contain amatoxins and those that don't. But so long as you can trust your source to be doing that ID for you (if you don't have the skills), there shouldn't be a problem.




You're technically correct, but that does't preclude the Russian Roulette factor with the lack of CORRECT ID experience, which most will not be able to do.

Some will contain isoxazole compounds which won't do liver damage. The problem is most will not be able to ID correctly unless they're super experienced. At that point I doubt you'd want to consume one anyway. Weird self-defeating situation IMHO. If you accidentally consumed the wrong one, you probably wouldn't do it again or risk trying another, either lol.

TL;DR = It's best to avoid all muscaria, unless you're very, very experienced; the problem is most with this question aren't, and shouldn't risk it at all.


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27103409 - 12/23/20 02:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You guys are meant to have the reindeer eat them and then drink their urine in order to trip properly, not eat them yourselves :racethread:


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27103410 - 12/23/20 02:08 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I would argue that A. Muscaria is one of the easiest mushrooms to identify. Can't possibly mix it with a death cap or destroying angel or A. Pantherina even.


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27103459 - 12/23/20 03:15 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I would argue that A. Muscaria is one of the easiest mushrooms to identify. Can't possibly mix it with a death cap or destroying angel or A. Pantherina even.




Right but it's not about you it's about OP that's asking the question, from a level of inexperience.

I even admit that unless you're experienced, it's not worth the risk.

Keyword: experience, which you clearly have, OP does not lol.

Forget species, forget Amanita: I'd bet cash a newbie without looking on google or via reference wouldn't be able to tell you a Destroying Angel from any of the other big, bulbous white mushrooms they've seen growing in their yards, etc.

Anyone arguing that it doesn't matter is missing the forest for the trees here IMHO.


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27103622 - 12/23/20 07:02 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

My argument was from personal experience looking for those mushrooms as a youth in order to consume them. Didn't have experience in identifying mushrooms other than a few specimen. So I'm just saying it's fairly straight forward to identify this one if one wants to consume it, and nobody should be discouraged to pick them from fear of mixing it with A. Phalloides or something else.
They only look alike in the pinning stage when they are white bulbs in the ground.


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27103745 - 12/23/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

To each their own, I just always suggest erring on the side of caution for MOST. You sound with it and good on judgement :sunny:.


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Re: Is amanita worth the possible nerve damage? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27103875 - 12/23/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I had extremely positive experience working with muscaria. To me its quite psychedelic in higher doses but its in category of its own. As stated by others.

Its mental, visuals are like dreams, no pretty colors and patterns. Nausea was bad for me but passes after purge.

I think it should be noted that I picked them myself in late august/early September (eastern europe) and sun dried them. Always consumed as a tea, boiled &simmered for 45 minutes and strained.

Its better to start low and do it for a few days in a row and see how they treat you. I would do them in evenings before sleep usually. When I was into them I ate insane amount during winter and spring. My liver is just fine.

That being said I haven't consumed them for over decade but in my defense I still have some in fridge from last year. I picked them, extracted but after stashing I kind of forgot about them.

So Im quite sure Im gonna go back to that experience eventually but not yet, I hardly have time to trip at all and when I do i go for acid, shrooms or various phens, its no brainer.

It seems that finally time is catching up and Im starting to get more... old...


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    #27105065 - 12/24/20 12:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hey, go for it! Nobody says don't, it's just suggested to not risk it if not completely sure, that's all I'm saying!

Experience is the best guide, and the worst thing to happen to a budding enthusiast would be to get sick when not expecting it, is all I'm saying.

Onward and upward, all! :sunny: :levitate:


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