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Do you know anyone that died of shroom OD
    #2709746 - 05/21/04 03:53 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I hear the ld-50 is like 10 pounds of the most potent wet shrooms or a dry pound. most shrooms are like a third or less potent. Another guy said your stomach would rupture from eating shrooms before you could actually od on its psilocybin. A third guy said youd pass out or be too far gone to eat more shrooms before you even come close to ODing. Say you were to eat the most potent dry shrooms and you eat shroom after shroom, chasing it down with whatever. youd probably not even finish half a pound before your tripping like mad and youd be unable to feel your hands even


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Re: Do you know anyone that died of shroom OD [Re: shrooms777]
    #2710149 - 05/21/04 08:36 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

It would take your body weight in fresh shrooms to kill you or 19 grams of the actual chemical. However, with doses of one mopre than one fresh ounce of P. cubensis and up you lose total corordinationof your muscles so you ywould not be a ble to move form where you are laying..

After three or four doses at once the bocy cannot move at all. no matter how hard you try. That is toxic but not deadly.

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Re: Do you know anyone that died of shroom OD [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2710182 - 05/21/04 09:02 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

who would eat that much mush?


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Re: Do you know anyone that died of shroom OD [Re: shrooms777]
    #2710256 - 05/21/04 09:44 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i beleive psychedelic related deaths from eroglines and the oldschool Psylocin and DMT etc, dont have much to do with toxic reaction to the body, but of mind confusion and sensory overload, causeing you to forget to breath, have a heart attack from fright etc.. i dont think its been proven that psychedelics(once again, not speaking for RC's) are lethally toxic to life at all, animal studies are bs cause u cant get inside their head, and they dont even have the receptor and visual capability that homosapiens do


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Re: Do you know anyone that died of shroom OD [Re: ]
    #2710281 - 05/21/04 09:54 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I could never eat 165 lbs of mush in one sitting


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Re: Do you know anyone that died of shroom OD [Re: LCid]
    #2710283 - 05/21/04 09:56 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

when i trip out way too hard

my body just wants to go to sleep
I think it's my bodys defense
from the sensory overload


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Re: Do you know anyone that died of shroom OD [Re: shrooms777]
    #2710287 - 05/21/04 09:57 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

you'd die trying


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Re: Do you know anyone that died of shroom OD [Re: 0xYg3n]
    #2710469 - 05/21/04 11:39 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Isnt an O fresh 2.8 bone dry?...
Im guessing MJ means 28 grams dry doesnt he?


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Re: Do you know anyone that died of shroom OD [Re: sHrOoMeRrR420]
    #2710832 - 05/21/04 01:42 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

A fresh ounce of psilocybe cubensis is an average dose. Eat three or four fresh ounces and your body cannot move.

A fresh pound usually dries down to 12-16 ounces dried.


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Re: Do you know anyone that died of shroom OD [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2713710 - 05/22/04 03:00 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

"A fresh pound usually dries down to 12-16 ounces dried. "

sorry if i get this wrong due to intoxication but i though 16 ounces was a pound.


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Re: Do you know anyone that died of shroom OD [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2713742 - 05/22/04 03:19 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

mjshroomer said:
It would take your body weight in fresh shrooms to kill you or 19 grams of the actual chemical. However, with doses of one mopre than one fresh ounce of P. cubensis and up you lose total corordinationof your muscles so you ywould not be a ble to move form where you are laying..

After three or four doses at once the bocy cannot move at all.  no matter how hard you try. That is toxic but not deadly.

mj





arent shrooms like 1.5% psilocybin? thus 100 pounds would be 1.5 pounds of that chemical in pure form  :confused:

I have taken just over 4 wet ounces of p. cubes, equador and I had full control of my muscles. I did lay in bed much of the trip cause of the body load, I didnt feel like walking all over, but I was able to walk to the bathroom to take a leak. 4 wet ounces is about as potent as a dry quarter, not a crazy dosage at all. enough for a pretty good trip but not even close to toxic!


"but of mind confusion and sensory overload, causeing you to forget to breath, have a heart attack from fright etc.."


you cant die forgetting to breath, one guy did that, youd pass out first then start breathing again and not be aware of it then youll revive a moment later. If you had serious heart problems then I can see that happening. dont trip if your overall health is poor, simple as that. most deaths are accidents while tripping and are your own careless fault. One guy ran outside nakid in the snow and froze to death. another guy climbed a tree thinking it was the portal to heaven and fell down and cracked his head, a third guy swam in his pool and thought he was a fish. I see deaths all the time from driving on shrooms, acid, even alcohol. It would be impossible to eat 100+ pounds wet shrooms or even 10 dry pounds. are there any azures potent enough so youd od from eating one dry pound? If so, then it just might be possible if you grind that dry pound and mix it and have a shroomshake and drink it fast enough


""A fresh pound usually dries down to 12-16 ounces dried. "

sorry if i get this wrong due to intoxication but i though 16 ounces was a pound."

it is and it would become about 1.5 ounces dried. a pretty heroic dosage but shouldnt be close to an OD


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Re: Do you know anyone that died of shroom OD [Re: A0999]
    #2714059 - 05/22/04 07:54 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry I misread myself on that one.

One fresh pound equals one dried ounce of shrooms.

I actually meant that `12- 16 ounces of fresh mushrooms dries to an ounce.

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Re: Do you know anyone that died of shroom OD [Re: shrooms777]
    #2714061 - 05/22/04 08:00 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Hey, no I am correct ont he dosage as i statesd above.

first off, in a 1/8 bag of psilocybe cubensis (that would be 3500 milligrams of dried shrooms or dried shroom powder.

In that 3500 milligrams of powder, only 15-25 milligrams are the chemical psilocybine and/or psilocine.

The figures quoted above are analtical resuld presented by Jonathan Ott and are correct for the LD5-0 level in mice.

Just think, out of 3500 milligrams of shroom material, only 15-25 milligrams are what get you high.


And regarding how much percentage is psilocybine, your body has to convert the psilocybine into psilocine through amination before you even get high.

And every specfies (there are 190 different mushrooms with psilocine/psilocybine in them) have a different amopunt of chemical in each species from one another and then each mushroom can have a different amount of chemical and that could also be in a cultivated in vitro grown shrooms which produce higher content than alfala and grain fed cattle do. And then not all shrooms grow in manure. Only about 25 of the more than 190 species are found in manure.

mj

And cubes arew one of the weakest of mushrooms by weight.

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Re: Do you know anyone that died of shroom OD [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2714760 - 05/22/04 03:17 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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your body has to convert the psilocine into psilocybine through amination before you even get high. mj




Here we go again. It is the other way around. Psilocybin is converted into psilocin, and then the psilocin makes you trip.

"A significant first-pass effect with the vast majority of psilocybin converted into psilocin mainly by hepatic metabolism can
be assumed. Another early biochemical study showed psilocin to be the main, if not the solely pharmacologically active substance by decreasing the dephosphorylation of psilocybin to psilocin using a competetive substrate (beta-glycerophos-phate) for blocking the alkaline phosphatase. Recent experimentation on rodent tissue pre-sented more evidence for complete conversion of psilocybin to psilocin before entering systemic circulation."

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Re: Do you know anyone that died of shroom OD [Re: InjectTruth]
    #2715111 - 05/22/04 05:53 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks InjectTruth,

Cannot believe myself to day I am now spreading incorrect info. Well I did it twice today in thios thread. Shame on me.

and have a shroomy day,

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Re: Do you know anyone that died of shroom OD [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2715120 - 05/22/04 05:56 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You spread too much correct information for a little thing like that to matter. We all get in a hurry sometimes & make mistakes.
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Re: Do you know anyone that died of shroom OD [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2715248 - 05/22/04 06:32 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

It's all good, Mjshroomer.  :smile:  :heart:


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Re: Do you know anyone that died of shroom OD [Re: shrooms777]
    #2735683 - 05/27/04 09:19 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Here is a report of a OD from France.
Fatal Poisoning After a Group of People Voluntarily Consumed Hallucinogenic Mushrooms



But mushroom researcher Jochen Gartzat University of Leipzig, Germany, thinks:
Quote:

As far as scientific publications go, this article stands out as extremely superficial, highly politicized and riddled with scientific contradictions




U can read the the reply here:
SOME REMARKS CONCERNING A REPORT FROM FRANCE ABOUT AN ALLEGED FATALITY DUE TO INGESTION OF PSILOCYBE SEMILANCEATA :thumbup:


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Re: Do you know anyone that died of shroom OD [Re: Toolman]
    #2736327 - 05/27/04 12:48 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I doubt he OD, not even close. The combination of tons of alcohol, other drugs and panic must have did it. Is it possible to die of fear? He may have panic so badly his heart kept beating faster and faster also he may have been having such a bad trip and unable to calm himself down that he hyperventilated. Is my explanation plausable? I did read in an antidrug propegenda book that says shrooms kill when you have a bad trip and think your gonna die, you do die. Is there any truth in that?


Several decades of basic and psychiatric research around the world -
involving thousands of human subjects as well as animal experimentation -
have led to the recognition that psilocybin is a substance of remarkably
low toxicity, with a safety margin of several hundred times between a
psychoactive dosage and the LD 50 dosage. [LD 50 = "lethal dosage 50" or
the dosage that is fatal to 50% of the test subjects]



That means if you weigh 70kg and a good psychadelic dose is 7 grams(dry quarter) an overdose of LD-50 would be 10% your weight or 7 dry kilograms, right? Lets take a worse case scinerio and use azurescean aborts. We know azures are the most potent shrooms and that aborts are even MORE potent. so lets say 1kg of those would be the LD-50. 500 grams of those would not be LD-25 but maybe LD-5 now say he eats them as fast as he can at the rate of 10 grams a minute, drinking juice to chase them down as well. I give it 10 min before he starts tripping good because of all those shrooms's psyclobin absorbed in mouth and stomach. even a small % of the psyclobin absorbed when you take 100 grams is still alot! He would trip twice as hard each passing minute. I give it 15 min and 150 grams later before he is too far gone and incoherent to even be able to feel his hands to eat more shrooms. 150g would be LD-.1 maybe. anyone agree?


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