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Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober?
    #27097019 - 12/19/20 03:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

One of the stronger "trips" I've had was while I was sober, well mostly sober, I was drinking a few beers with my room mates in college. My friend told me that if I hyperventilate and then he pushed my chest against the wall that I would pass out. Stupidly I agreed. I had some sort of seizure and during this seizure I was in a psychedelic tunnel. I could see myself dying over and over and over from an out of body experience. It seemed like an eternity. It was very terrifying honestly. I came to and was very emotional and couldn't hold the tears back for 20-30 min. Would not recommend.

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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: Rise against]
    #27097029 - 12/19/20 03:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I sometimes have psychedelic visuals during intense physical experiences like exercise, standing up too fast and getting a head rush, when I'm ill or like you say during orgasm. Me and my friends tried the hyperventilitating thing in high school and it was amusing watching your mates stagger around like they were drunk but we did it once then moved on, wasn't that fun really.

I can fairly reliably experience a psychedelic headspace, often with CEV less often with with slight OEV through introspection. I wouldn't claim I can do it at all tho, if anything it's more like a surrender to the moment then something I can 'do' if you get me.


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: Rise against]
    #27097030 - 12/19/20 03:36 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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sometimes I see colorful geometry during orgasm.



Like this ? :alphabrain:

anyways, no I havent had anything close to that. This reminds me of that John the Baptist church or cult where they would almost drown people to give them an NDE and be reborn.

Maybe psychedelics can trigger NDE and stuff in the same way that oxygen or blood flow is deprived from some parts of the brain (that's the mechanism of psilocybin's psychedelic effects - decreased cerebral bloodflow)


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27097675 - 12/19/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Maybe psychedelics can trigger NDE and stuff in the same way that oxygen or blood flow is deprived from some parts of the brain (that's the mechanism of psilocybin's psychedelic effects - decreased cerebral bloodflow)




No it's not.  That's old outdated info. :themoreyouknow:


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: Rise against]
    #27097725 - 12/19/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Seen all kinds of crazy hypnagogic imagery while meditating and a few OEV when waking up..


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27097785 - 12/19/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Maybe psychedelics can trigger NDE and stuff in the same way that oxygen or blood flow is deprived from some parts of the brain (that's the mechanism of psilocybin's psychedelic effects - decreased cerebral bloodflow)




No it's not.  That's old outdated info. :themoreyouknow:



Really? Aren't decreased activity in posterior cingulate cortex and medial prefrontal cortex still the current theory? I just read the article on the Shroomery news forum about this too


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27097803 - 12/19/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

only hppd type experiences (wobbly lines & breathing etc)


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: Blazer420]
    #27097853 - 12/19/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

weird stuff happens while sober sometimes, but nothing I would call psychedelic. Especially as a kid there was a lot more (really vivid imaginings basically, visuals or sounds popping into ones head). I'm a very visual person so I always have images in my head to a degree, but psychedelics are clearly a different beast, like the images I have are usually akin to dreams, they are imagined rather than really scene, whereas on psychedelics you close your eyes and its like the image is physically there inside your eyeball, it doesn't take any apparent mental effort to maintain or create it, if that makes sense...

so in short, no


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: Ezuma]
    #27098123 - 12/19/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

When i take weed breaks, i have intense psychedelic dreams. if i consume dmt in the dream then i pretty much have a dmt flash.


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: Sprores]
    #27098218 - 12/19/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I have something special happen once in a while while riding my bike. I don't normally feel any kind of the high that people talk about getting from working out but every once in a while, once or twice a year, everything works out perfectly where my mind and body perfectly align. All discomfort goes away, tiredness goes away, and I can't even feel myself pedaling anymore and its like I am just floating over this wonderful beautiful world.


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: psysearch]
    #27098380 - 12/19/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I sometimes have psychedelic visuals during intense physical experiences like exercise




THIS. I was just wondering about this the other day. Sometimes when I finish running I will have some kind of visuals. Nothing crazy intense or special, I'm sure everyone probably knows what I'm talking about, but its something I've always wondered about. Like what is it?? When I was a kid I used to think I could use it to see aliens 😂


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: Pistolpete]
    #27100471 - 12/21/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

If I strain for an extended period of time while pushing out a shit, before I lose consciousness, I have what I would definitely consider a psychedelic experience. I've regained consciousness on the bathroom floor in front of my toilet with my pants still at my ankles and a red bump on my head on more than one occasion.

Hopefully this info was helpful,to you, as the experiences, for me, have not been.


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: Sped105] * 1
    #27100536 - 12/21/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I got into endurance cycling and I have to say many effort plateaus are definitely psychedelic. Time just evaporates and you end up going into all sorts of thoughts. Even out of body experiences sometimes.


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27100675 - 12/21/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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InnerWisdom said:


Maybe psychedelics can trigger NDE and stuff in the same way that oxygen or blood flow is deprived from some parts of the brain (that's the mechanism of psilocybin's psychedelic effects - decreased cerebral bloodflow)




No it's not.  That's old outdated info. :themoreyouknow:



Really? Aren't decreased activity in posterior cingulate cortex and medial prefrontal cortex still the current theory? I just read the article on the Shroomery news forum about this too




Decreased bloodflow? No, not really. It's modulation of neuroreceptors, which leads to changes in firing patterns. If anything there's an increase in activity and "integration"/synchronization of different brain regions not normally correlated. There's many cool MRI studies on this too.


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: jomanda1990]
    #27100712 - 12/21/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

https://www.pnas.org/content/109/6/2138.short

"Arterial spin labeling perfusion and blood-oxygen level-dependent (BOLD) fMRI were used to map cerebral blood flow and changes in venous oxygenation before and after intravenous infusions of placebo and psilocybin. Fifteen healthy volunteers were scanned with arterial spin labeling and a separate 15 with BOLD. As predicted, profound changes in consciousness were observed after psilocybin, but surprisingly, only decreases in cerebral blood flow and BOLD signal were seen, and these were maximal in hub regions, such as the thalamus and anterior and posterior cingulate cortex (ACC and PCC). Decreased activity in the ACC/medial prefrontal cortex (mPFC) was a consistent finding and the magnitude of this decrease predicted the intensity of the subjective effects. Based on these results, a seed-based pharmaco-physiological interaction/functional connectivity analysis was performed using a medial prefrontal seed. Psilocybin caused a significant decrease in the positive coupling between the mPFC and PCC. These results strongly imply that the subjective effects of psychedelic drugs are caused by decreased activity and connectivity in the brain's key connector hubs, enabling a state of unconstrained cognition."


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: Rise against]
    #27100761 - 12/21/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

During sex I get all sort of patterns running across the room and my partner, so that's probably the closest thing

I kind of want to try that hyperventilation thing now though lol


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: jesusfish]
    #27102954 - 12/22/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

My strongest psychedelic experience happened suddenly and unexpectedly while doing Metta.

Every religion seeks to offer something like transcending the ego if that counts.

There's a gradient tool which is pretty cool I hope!


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: Narrator]
    #27102988 - 12/22/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Sometimes I will have moments where I am doing some really deep thinking about things in my life and such. like I will go through all of the questions and all of the answers and then all of the iterations of the questions and it will be like a mini trip in my head. This happens sometimes especially when I'm high on marijuana but I guess this thread is not about marijuana.

So very occasionally when I'm sober I will have these deep thinking moments.


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27103026 - 12/22/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Not sure this counts - but I had a very vivid dream in which I was vaporizing DMT and got the exact same DMT effects in the dream as I would have had I been awake.  It was fucking awesome.

Other than that, none other that I can recall.


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: Rise against]
    #27103402 - 12/23/20 01:55 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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One of the stronger "trips" I've had was while I was sober, well mostly sober, I was drinking a few beers with my room mates in college. My friend told me that if I hyperventilate and then he pushed my chest against the wall that I would pass out. Stupidly I agreed. I had some sort of seizure and during this seizure I was in a psychedelic tunnel. I could see myself dying over and over and over from an out of body experience. It seemed like an eternity. It was very terrifying honestly. I came to and was very emotional and couldn't hold the tears back for 20-30 min. Would not recommend.

sometimes I see colorful geometry during orgasm.




Had something similar happen in highschool playing that stupid hyperventilate game, i passed out like usual but this time i popped out of my body, wasnt much thoughts, just calm curiosity, i just floated up and could see everyone standing around me start to panic n dart off when i didnt wake up in usual time , i jst floated higher n around to the other side of my school ( a pretty large campus, and it was if i wasnt controlling it), it was wierd because i could see everyone jst hangin out like normal then bam i woke up by myself in the field, and when i walked around the school , everyone was exactly were i saw them doing exactly what i saw.
Til this day i still wonder if i monentarily died, dont do that hyperventilating thing stupid dangerous

Another time when i was 18 i was jst sitting against a wall outside relaxin and started wondering why traditions all over the world say om, used it for a mantra for a few min then thought shit its starting to rain , the next second i was a rain drop and when i hit the ground my consciousness just rapidly expanded to where i was the whole planet, like i could feel everything that existed on the planet all at once as myself, words literaly cant describe. It only lasted a brief moment then i was jst back to sitting there.

I just labeled those experiences as wierd and crammed them away, it wasnt til later in life that i realised how important those moments were. it probably happens to most people more then we think, we just dont have the belief structures or they conflict with our current belief structures so we just register it as unimportant or unpleasant and never think of it again.


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: Marmie]
    #27104283 - 12/23/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Simple seizures felt ALOT like dmt, i mean it's almost scary. After a Grand seizure for days it would seem like i was on speed, like i was the biggest thing in the world and nothing could stop me. Some ppl said it was the drugs they gave me to keep me alive/ revive me.


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: HappyHigh] * 1
    #27104668 - 12/23/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I have had a psychedelic experience while 'sober'. There were no tracers, no visuals, nothing of that kind. Just the headspace. In my mind, I was in multiple locations, mentally transported to different periods of my life, all while laying in my bed.


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: jgotti]
    #27104723 - 12/23/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Not sure if this can be considered sober. I was on nyquil in the recommended dose on the box. I usually let a fever run for a couple days before I turn to meds because the point of the fever is to cook out the sickness.
Last October I got strep throat. I had a fever for four days that wouldn't break. Before it broke I was laying in bed as I started to get some nice mushroom-like visuals like on the back end of the trip before they start fading.
I also felt the oneness and I was pretty ok with dyeing that night. I thought to myself, well I never had this happen before but I guess dyeing of fever isn't as bad as it looks on the outside. 
I am guessing the brain must have been getting close to the well done stage in the skull oven.  :acidcat:


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: Rise against]
    #27105109 - 12/24/20 01:26 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Deep alpha-theta wave meditation and trance can start to overlap some of the sensations/breakthroughs of certain psychs IMHO.


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #27107649 - 12/25/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Absolutely Loaded Shamen. Trance like states in meditation definitely can induce psychedelic-like experiences. I've scared myself out of meditation several times, falling down the rabbit hole.


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: Northerner]
    #27111571 - 12/28/20 02:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Absolutely Loaded Shamen. Trance like states in meditation definitely can induce psychedelic-like experiences. I've scared myself out of meditation several times, falling down the rabbit hole.




Correct, likewise, and same lol.

I get insane "Saran Wrap" crackling when I'm about to "breakthrough" to the Astral. It's officially a personal correlation with the experience now. I find the second I realize I'm "thinking" about what's happening, I'm kicked out of that space.


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27111582 - 12/28/20 02:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

yes many times usually from lack of sleep or other body stress as a kid sick with delirium and high fever etc.. and yes the mind can be trained to have second sight and hyper awareness sober..


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: Blackrainbow2]
    #27111628 - 12/28/20 04:13 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I've had such an experience when looking at a wooden ceiling after smoking fruit flavored tobacco and seeing the patterns swirl. Same thing happened after practicing meditation by staring at a blank wall, the patterns on it began to move slightly when I lost concentration and went back to normal when I regained it.


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: LemonTekno]
    #27113326 - 12/29/20 12:26 AM (3 years, 30 days ago)

The "trick" is being able to trigger that state at will, whenever, wherever.

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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: Rise against]
    #27118295 - 12/31/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

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One of the stronger "trips" I've had was while I was sober, well mostly sober, I was drinking a few beers with my room mates in college. My friend told me that if I hyperventilate and then he pushed my chest against the wall that I would pass out. Stupidly I agreed. I had some sort of seizure and during this seizure I was in a psychedelic tunnel. I could see myself dying over and over and over from an out of body experience. It seemed like an eternity. It was very terrifying honestly. I came to and was very emotional and couldn't hold the tears back for 20-30 min. Would not recommend.

sometimes I see colorful geometry during orgasm.




This is the kind of stuff we've done when we were 13-15 year old. I personally never tried it, but developed my own, different technique, based on sitting down for a while then standing up suddenly.

Someone I know did the chest press many times. One time he said it induced a dream-like vision which felt like it lasted for weeks. He said he was living on a farm, was managing a large piece of land with livestock etc. He described the location and some more details. He said it felt like this was going for weeks whilst he was only "out of it" for a few minutes, if that.

Personally, when I was 9 or 10 years old, I had an experience similar to the one described by Albert Hoffmann. I felt this sudden ecstatic euphoria, everything became brighter etc etc. I never told anyone about this, and tried explaining this by the fact that I confessed in the church very honestly the day before. I though it was some sort of blessing from God etc. Looking back I think this was some spontaneous release of serotonin or something like that.
I feel this classifies as a psychedelic experience whilst sober.


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Re: Anybody ever had a psychedelic experience while sober? [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #27118385 - 12/31/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

Yes, I have

Once in a dream of mine, I dropped L. I preceded to have the weirdest, most bizarre hyper realistic dream that seemingly lasted forever

Also if I see light being reflected from multiple reflective surfaces that will trip me out because it looks cool...especially if it creates some nice effect.

I once had an epic psychedelic effect whilst hiking toward a mountain. When we stopped for breaks, we would be standing still and to me, the mountain looked like it was increasing in size (inflating like the mountain was growing). It was odd, but also cool

Edit: I forgot my endless sleepless nights, where I would not sleep for days and I would be seeing traces and objects shift and warp very faintly. Mostly, colors will just flicker on everything

I also had a psychedelic seizure. Looked like my room melted into green rock candy or something. It was weird. My room isn't even green in color


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