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Does Black Agar Matter
    #27096929 - 12/19/20 12:33 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I know there are mixed opinions on charcoal with agar. I’ve bought some to mix with BRF agar. I’m clearly losing sight, so the black let’s me see it properly when pouring and the concept of it reducing contams also sounds appealing but mainly for the visual element.

Any recipes using it that people approve of or just go with Bods Agar recipes and Chuck a tiny bit in till it goes black?

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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: Zombie-ant]
    #27096962 - 12/19/20 01:28 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

we went 5 billion years and the regular agar was fine. Why reinvent the wheel Cuz willy myco told you to? Go ahead enjoy. But Yeah the loosing sight you nailed it. Unless the sight is to be seen with the black agar. ooooooohhhhh Black Flashy weird coool. Look my rolex. Whats whats this everyone round around the black agar guy instead of rolex guy.


Although the true origin of black agar is from mycrobiological science and been round for years In mycology its marketing bullshit short of special cases. whert tests are done to detect for things like leigonella in mushroom grows.


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: Groo] * 1
    #27096974 - 12/19/20 02:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

How are you going to see the subtle contams like bacteria if the medium is black???

I could only see black agar as a novelty to display a crisp white clean culture of cubes which really doesn't actually benefit anything. :shrug:

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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: Groo]
    #27096978 - 12/19/20 02:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

can cancel culture find willy myco already i mean fr tho....  But ya I tried some color in my plates once that supposedly is fine and it just messed everything up. Why not just put some black paper or something on the bottom of the outside of the plate? but i find holding them up to light is good for spotting stuff so then you could remove the paper and still hold it up to light? idk, just an idea


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: RamJam]
    #27096980 - 12/19/20 02:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I take great care to make sure my agar as as close to clear as possible.


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: RamJam] * 1
    #27096982 - 12/19/20 02:12 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like a song...

Woke up this morning,
Can’t believe what a saw
100 million contams
Where mycelium was before
Seems like my clone isn’t a alone
100 million contams
Looking for a home


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: Zombie-ant]
    #27096992 - 12/19/20 02:25 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So many contams
My flow hood acting wak
gonna have to smak it
kids dont smoke crack

is teh snappy chorus to your song


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: Groo]
    #27096996 - 12/19/20 02:33 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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So many contams
My flow hood acting wak
gonna have to smak it
kids dont smoke crack

is teh snappy chorus to your song




Bit to hardcore for Sting I think
Doesn’t mention the rain forest, yoga or bi-polar


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: Zombie-ant]
    #27097058 - 12/19/20 04:31 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

lol much better now that you point out the sting part... I sent out a message in a bottle once in puerto rico.  someone found it around a year later, different island, hit me up and it was cool


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: RamJam]
    #27097079 - 12/19/20 05:12 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That’s cool. I remember wanting to do it as a kid, but my dad told me off for wanting to Chuck rubbish in the sea... that was 38 years ago.
Clearly ahead of his time... bless his mycelium filled body and cotton socks 🪦


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: Zombie-ant] * 2
    #27097144 - 12/19/20 06:46 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

black agar matters😂😂 il have to add that one to the list also


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: jcm4620]
    #27097159 - 12/19/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I tried black food dye, but the myc eats some of the color and turns it dark green. Does not look nearly as appealing as the charcoal plates lol. The dye makes it so dark that shining a flashlight through the back has almost no effect at all.



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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: The Fresh Prints] * 2
    #27097182 - 12/19/20 07:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You want nearly clear agar to help see contamination.


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27097195 - 12/19/20 07:33 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

ya i agree with bod 100% the darkest iv ever gone is this blue



but ya the myc will eat that food dye right out of it and it looks kinda cool i think lol here that blue bein eaten



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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: jcm4620]
    #27104763 - 12/23/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The look of it definitely caught my eye recently in another thread. I've never used any color additives in any way but I'm not gonna lie, it looks cool. And I think black looks the coolest. That is a terrible reason to use it though (IMO) so a search lead me here to see if it's worth it.
What was the supposed benefit other than look?


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: GypsyBastard] * 1
    #27104788 - 12/23/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I don't really understand what's with all the hate? If someone wants to us black agar just because it looks cool then why not just let them?

Would a little bit of positivity during the holidays kill you?

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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: tiptrippy]
    #27104875 - 12/23/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Of course they can. I'm asking if there is a benefit beyond aesthetics.....


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: GypsyBastard]
    #27104897 - 12/23/20 09:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

If the quick lube tech wants to put sugar in your oil because he's still tripping from last night and thinks it would be "sweet bro" let em. Don't hate.

I don't think anyone was hating by saying how to have an easier time.


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: bodhisatta] * 2
    #27104923 - 12/23/20 09:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I just made some black agar. I appreciate the contrast.


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: GypsyBastard]
    #27104932 - 12/23/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not gonna lie, it looks cool. And I think black looks the coolest. That is a terrible reason to use it though (IMO)



That's actually a 100% valid reason to use it. Thats why I did it. It certainly has it's flaws, but it looks dope as hell and its fun to tinker with different agar colors/recipes.


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: The Fresh Prints]
    #27104940 - 12/23/20 09:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not gonna lie, it looks cool. And I think black looks the coolest. That is a terrible reason to use it though (IMO)



That's actually a 100% valid reason to use it. Thats why I did it. It certainly has it's flaws, but it looks dope as hell and its fun to tinker with different agar colors/recipes.




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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27104943 - 12/23/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm a fan of the coloreds.



Though crystal clear isn't too shabby either I just appreciate a little color contrast.



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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: D3_Myc]
    #27105009 - 12/23/20 10:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Though crystal clear isn't too shabby either I just appreciate a little color contrast.






Is that just your basic 20g agar with 16g LME recipe?


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: tiptrippy]
    #27105054 - 12/23/20 11:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yes with the boil and emersion blend. Might of been more like 14g lme. The boil is probably more important than the immersion blender. I’m sure a whisk would work almost as well. I just have a stick blender for making hot sauce so use it when ever I can.


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: GypsyBastard]
    #27105086 - 12/24/20 12:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I think black looks the coolest.




It can be any color you want

as long as it's black


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: Ballzagna]
    #27105099 - 12/24/20 01:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I think black looks the coolest.




It can be any color you want

as long as it's black




Apparently the charcoal prevents some contams... not sure there’s any science in that. I was thinking  of adding a teenyweeny bit of H2O2 in to the agar mix to help prevent contamination . I know many are anti h202, to help my sloppy technique. Hopefully this doesn’t cause a shrumble (Shroomery + rumble, prefer that to shight = Shroomery + fight)


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: tiptrippy]
    #27105103 - 12/24/20 01:12 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Would a little bit of positivity during the holidays kill you?

:justkillmenow:





I love that, I may make red and green agar with glitter just to be festive... 🤦🏻‍♂️
That would be perfect if anyone manages to work out how to grow aminita muscaria while trying to grow a tree in a Petri dish.

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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: Zombie-ant]
    #27105248 - 12/24/20 05:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I use the same black dye for agar and tye-dying.url=http://files.shroomery.org/files/20-52/881116737-20201224_055642.jpg][image]http://www.shroomery.org/forums/thumbs/20-52/881116737-t


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: Zombie-ant]
    #27105291 - 12/24/20 06:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I think black looks the coolest.




It can be any color you want

as long as it's black




Apparently the charcoal prevents some contams... not sure there’s any science in that. I was thinking  of adding a teenyweeny bit of H2O2 in to the agar mix to help prevent contamination . I know many are anti h202, to help my sloppy technique. Hopefully this doesn’t cause a shrumble (Shroomery + rumble, prefer that to shight = Shroomery + fight)




Gotcha. I was confused when I read some people use charcoal and some just use black dye. I thought the idea behind charcoal was likely as you said, but didn't think dye would have any antibiotic/antiseptic properties to it. However I also know I don't know shit so didn't count it out. haha

and :okiapprove:, shrumble does sound better than shight. Thanks for the input!!:cheers:
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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: GypsyBastard] * 1
    #27105525 - 12/24/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I don’t care if people add H2O2 to their agar. It won’t hurt a thing, it’s just an expensive way to add water to an agar recipe.


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Re: Does Black Agar Matter [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27105594 - 12/24/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think I read something about RogerRabbit using charcoal for old or difficult spores.  This may have been debunked by now.


Here from 2006 so...
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6024792#6024792


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