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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Enlil]
#27094644 - 12/17/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enlil said: I don't know if biden's racist or how racist he is. Most likely, he's somewhat racist. I doubt there is anyone who isn't racist at all, and someone his age is very likely to be more racist than you and I would find palatable.
Still, what matters here is how his racism affects policy/public discourse. That remains to be seen. I am of the opinion that we give him a chance. It does appear to me that his views on race have been changed over the last couple of decades, so I'm not going to predict one way or another. I do agree with koods that the quotes you've presented are petty examples of racism, at worst.
You doubt there is anyone who isn't racist at all? Like e.g.: I was going to pull out in front of this white guy and cut him off so I could get in the lane already, but noticed he was white so stayed out of his lane until I was behind him. But if it was a black person I probably would have been inclined to cut him off. But only about 0.0001% more inclined then with the white guy. After all I am "only a little bit racist" that sort of thing Enlil? Did I get that right?
Before I read this thread I thought being racist was like getting pregnant. You are or you aren't. Not "a little bit." But now I feel corrected. unless I am misunderstanding. You did say "everyone is a little bit racist" right?
Even a 1 year old toddler?
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: imachavel] 2
#27094673 - 12/17/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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By (correctly) pointing out that racism is more a sliding scale than a yes/no switch, Enlil dismisses Biden’s glaring racism by saying we’re at least a little bit racist.
It’s like if you were complaining about Charles Manson and then someone said “well we all go a little too far in our little echo chambers sometimes.”
Systematically worsening the lives of black people over your entire career? Eh we all make mistakes buddy. Whom amongst us
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27094684 - 12/17/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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See, we disagree on the extent to which Biden did that, though. We also disagree on his intent. The only place we agree is that he's somewhat racist. You believe it's a lot. I believe it's a little.
I'm sure we agree he'll be a terrible president, but I also think we agree he won't be as bad as Trump. Most likely he won't even be the worst president of the next decade. I actually think that he'll probably be the best president of the next decade.
The worst is definitely yet to come.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Enlil]
#27094747 - 12/17/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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We can’t ever know his intent but his intent isn’t what affects people’s lives. Like I said, Biden is either too stupid to know what the crime bill would do and advocated it anyway, or he did know and either liked the consequences or just didn’t care. Bernie voted for the bill too, supposedly because he wanted to make sure the violence against women measures were included, but even then he spoke out against the consequences of the bill. The US does tons of little subtle, innocuous moves like this, with the same desired effect as blatant racism, but with the built-in excuse of “how could we know?”
It’s like the famous Atwater quote:

Yes we agree he’s racist, to a degree that no one will ever know. Yes we agree he’ll be better than trump, to a degree that’s basically unquantifiable.
And most importantly we agree he’ll be the best president of the decade, because we both assume that his brand of shitty racist centrism will only depress Democratic enthusiasm and usher in the next wave of GOP revival, likely spearheaded by competent fascist Tom Cotton.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27095560 - 12/18/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: Well, to that I say this: I voted for Bernie in the race for the Democratic presidential candidate. Biden was in my bottom 3 picks for all of the Democratic candidates. But still, Biden believes in science, which is what we need in a leader during a pandemic, so I think we're looking okay.
Not the science on fracking. Just the science that makes him look superior without having to actually do anything.
“Wear masks.” Wow yeah my dick is so hard rn he’s practically Isaac Newton.
We'll have to see what actually happens, but Biden nominated Deb Haaland for Interior Secretary. She's anti-fracking and a cosponsor of The Green New Deal.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: PotDaddy] 2
#27095564 - 12/18/20 09:55 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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STPLSD25 said: Trump lost the Election... Period! His crazy ass supporters can whine that Biden is "stealing the election" all they want, the truth of the matter is Donald Trump is widely unpopular because of his own actions. He would be wise to fade quietly into the background, and not leave kicking and screaming which will end badly for everyone.
Your side has been calling him a Nazi for 4 fucking years. What's different now? Now its just a Dictator???
You won so enjoy the win and stop focusing on Trump for fucks sake!!!
I got news for you. Both Trump and his detractors will be keeping his name in the news virtually every day for the next four years. I'm willing to bet money on that.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Brian Jones]
#27095568 - 12/18/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's a bit ironic though, Trump supporters love to throw around Hillary and Obama, but while Trump is still in office people are tired of him getting picked on because Biden won.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: christopera]
#27095573 - 12/18/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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lol. The trumper butthurt runs deep.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: christopera]
#27095581 - 12/18/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Last night at work I read that Trump only has about two thirds as many twitter followers as Obama. That's got to bug him.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Brian Jones]
#27095584 - 12/18/20 10:04 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I got news for you. Both Trump and his detractors will be keeping his name in the news virtually every day for the next four years. I'm willing to bet money on that.
I would totally take your action on that, assuming we can agree on a definition of "in the news" and "virtually every day."
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Enlil]
#27095607 - 12/18/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think we have any issue with virtually every day. "In the news" would require definition. I'm not saying he would be the featured character in a story every day, but he will be mentioned. He will be the featured character most days.
Be glad you didn't bet on Kanye West. I couldn't even remember his name, so I looked up, whos's married to Kardashian. I didn't know it was her third marriage. But that was going to be a signature bet and they bore me.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Brian Jones]
#27095622 - 12/18/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Isn't Trump Jr. talking about buying up news networks?
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Baby_Hitler] 1
#27095638 - 12/18/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think they have as much money as they pretend they do, but they could license out their name with somebody else putting up most of the cash.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Brian Jones]
#27095644 - 12/18/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think that's the plan.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Baby_Hitler] 1
#27096045 - 12/18/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah Trump has more to gain by making out he's running again, even if he doesn't. Rupert Murdoch will help him stay in the media spotlight.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#27096831 - 12/18/20 10:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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qman said: Biden is still proud and has no regrets for his 1994 crime bill that still destroys minority communities across the US to this day,
That's purely false, though. Biden has publicly stated, many times, how he regrets that bill and its effects on the black community. Why do you have to make shit up?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-says-it-was-a-mistake-to-support-1994-crime-bill
I think everyone here agrees the 1994 raised the incarceration rate of blacks, whether it was intended or not, but Instragram will block your post if you try to say that about Biden. We, as a country, need to start thinking Biden's a good guy:

Source (Instagram)
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#27096885 - 12/18/20 11:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nobody should agree because it’s not true. In fact, it was the mid-1990’s where the rate of incarceration for blacks started to level off, and it peaked 6 years later. In fact the rate of increase in black incarceration was higher every year before 1995, than it has been in any year since. Clearly something changed for the better starting in 1995 when it comes to black incarceration rates. Was it the crime bill? Maybe. What is clear is the crime bill did not make the situation worse.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: koods] 1
#27096941 - 12/19/20 12:47 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I see an increase in black incarceration rates from 1994 to 2000, and a decrease in white incarceration rates.
Here's another graph showing per capita rates:

Regardless, social media doesn't like people debating it.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#27096951 - 12/19/20 12:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lol just admit you were wrong for once
And if social media didn’t want people debating it, they would have removed the post. They didn’t. They fact checked it.
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Re: Trump will be widely viewed as a Dictator if/when he tries to use the Supreme Court to win. [Re: Enlil]
#27096994 - 12/19/20 02:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: trying to have a factual conversation with Falcon about Trump stuff is a waste of time. They deny obvious truths in reality.
I'll ask you what I everyone who makes this claim - can you please post something I said that proves I deny obvious truths?
Quote exactly what I said, please. No generalities.
This question rarely gets answered, but maybe you can break that trend?
***CRICKETS***
Same as always. People accuse me of dishonesty, and when I ask where, I never get a reply. 
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Enlil said: That's because when confronted with examples, you just use that to go back and reargue shit that you've already argued dishonestly. We all have been down that road too many times to give a shit anymore.
Nobody ever gives me examples though, that's the problem. Why don't you just link to an example? People here never give examples when I ask, as demonstrated above. I almost always get silence, or when I'm lucky I'm told something like "I gotta go fishing".
Yes, I remember ONCE when you provided me an example:
Psylinut asked "how conservatives would have felt about Obama using their tax dollars to defend himself against a rape charge that allegedly took place before he was in office if he had been white instead of black".
I then correctly pointed out that "the alleged rape is not what Trump's in trouble for, Carroll never pressed charges for that. He's being sued for defamation for saying 'she's not my type' while he was President".
Psilynut then agreed he should have used a better analogy.
I then made the mistake of saying psylinut claimed Trump was using tax dollars to defend himself against a rape charge. He didn't actually say that, he just implied it with an admittedly bad analogy.
That's the only example I have so far. Do you have others? I've asked you MANY times now but you keep dodging the question.
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