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Lennybernadino
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Best Full spectrum extraction methods for reishi mushrooms HELP!!!!!!!
#27094105 - 12/17/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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First of all, I am in the position to get financing for all the fancy equipment I need to make the best quality extractions possible for Reishi mushrooms that are particularly high in Tritperpenes but I need to come up with a budget quick! I want to get everything good out of the reishi prioritizing triterpenes and minimizing damage to the polysaccharides via ethanol. budget is not a limiting factor here. My thoughts so far are micro pulverization of the fungus, a dual extraction method involving pressurized hydro-ethylic extraction assisted by ultrasound during a short period of time like 2 hours + Pressurized hydrothermal extraction at 200 degrees celsius. The idea is that the polysaccharides degrade in time exposed to alcohol and the short ethenol extraction cycle should prevent this and the High pressure water should get the rest of the polysaccharides out.
Is this redundant? Since I intend to come up with a dry powder conservation is no longer an issue so maybe the pressurized water extraction first? PLEASE HELP! My dreams can come true but only if I act fast!
Would love input on what I said and if you have a much better idea please share. or any reference to relevant studies would be much appreciated, I am doing my research however there seems to be either no prioritization of some bio active ingredients over another or way to specific chemical priorities. I need the get ALL THE GOOD STUFF out.
The resulting extract will be sold in Liquid form, pills, and teabags, among other products such as chocolate. Please help!!!!
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the man
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Re: Best Full spectrum extraction methods for reishi mushrooms HELP!!!!!!! [Re: Lennybernadino]
#27096957 - 12/19/20 01:17 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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why not do water first if alcohol degrades.. never heard that ethanol tinctures of reishi are bad..
water co2 extract it!
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Lennybernadino
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Re: Best Full spectrum extraction methods for reishi mushrooms HELP!!!!!!! [Re: the man]
#27099083 - 12/20/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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In alcohol the polysaccharides break down a bit and become smaller polysaccharides, I have noticed a definite difference between the dual extract and the reishi tea in terms of polysaccharide related effects. However, without the alcohol you aren't getting the triterpenes and a lot of other nonwater solvent goodies. I tried water first then alcohol and I don't know why but the results sucked. supercritical CO2 extraction is on the potential dream machines list. I am thinking a pressure extraction with water then an alcohol extraction either with Ultrasonic enhancement or with Co@ enhancement. Tey are both expensive the CO2 more expensive and will require CO2 as a input material
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Re: Best Full spectrum extraction methods for reishi mushrooms HELP!!!!!!! [Re: the man]
#27102062 - 12/22/20 06:19 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
the man said: why not do water first if alcohol degrades.. never heard that ethanol tinctures of reishi are bad..
water co2 extract it!
both be great. waters proven over millennia with gano.
-------------------- "...Gal's seem to hate the thought of blending chicken shit in a blender. So, wash it well afterwards & DON'T tell them..." -Agar
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Re: Best Full spectrum extraction methods for reishi mushrooms HELP!!!!!!! [Re: Civ]
#27102116 - 12/22/20 07:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Water first might cause some volatile components, that are soluble in alcohol, to evaporate. Or so I've heard...
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Re: Best Full spectrum extraction methods for reishi mushrooms HELP!!!!!!! [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27102120 - 12/22/20 07:36 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also you're material will be filled with water and the alcohol coud have a hard time getting in so the extraction may not be as efficient.
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Lennybernadino
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Re: Best Full spectrum extraction methods for reishi mushrooms HELP!!!!!!! [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27102464 - 12/22/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah in my experience water first then alcohol just doesn't work as well The exact same amount of reishi in the exact same amount of water and alcohol for the same amount of time... The alcohol first definitely came out better. So I think That I should figure out a way to do an intensive short cycle ethanol extraction then put it in the pressure boiler. That way the relatively small amount of tie will hopefully diminish the polysaccharide degradation. and the pressure extraction will get all the rest. This will also save significantly on Alchohol costs since it is possible to use a lesser amount of alcohol under intensive short cycle extraction with ultrasonic assistance. The CO2 extraction if the investors will spring for it. Even if the machines are superfluous for just reishi extraction suddenly I will be in the middle of the jungle with all sorts of fancy extraction equipment.
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