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CrazyDragon
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"The Mushroom said to me..."
#27093932 - 12/17/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi guys,
Many of us who have done higher level amounts have made contact with "The Other" (for lack of a better name). A consciousness, often feeling transcendental.
It comes in many modalities and introduces you to ways of speaking that goes BEYOND oratory language. For example, I have literally seen objects in my perception come together as meaning and messages before turning into what they actually were as well as direct communication.
I think there's so much to learn from what we make contact with, but I don't want the lessons to be limited to our own personal experiences.
With that said, what has the Mushroom said to you?
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Re: "The Mushroom said to me..." [Re: CrazyDragon] 2
#27094860 - 12/17/20 07:36 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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they made this big deal once about humans being engineered or artificially created somehow. I had been reading parts of the paul stamets classic ‘the mushroom cultivator’ around that time, and I had a vision of a different version of this book - ‘the human cultivator’ - complete with pictures of cities, farms, and individual human specimens. the message was that beings of a higher consciousness used techniques similar to those outlined in the mushroom cultivator to grow a human populated earth... I guess...
I think it was this same trip where I had a vision of individual human consciousnesses/egos growing and maturing like food plants on a farm, and the metallic glint of the scythe used to harvest this crop was a UFO or flying saucer.
another one: on a different trip they insisted that complex mathematics could be performed using the unique shapes formed by tree branches (or roots, or mycelia, neural pathways, etc). which I suppose should have been obvious - that is sort of how logic gates work - but I didn’t understand that at the time.
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ReoSpeedwagon153 said: they made this big deal once about humans being engineered or artificially created somehow. I had been reading parts of the paul stamets classic ‘the mushroom cultivator’ around that time, and I had a vision of a different version of this book - ‘the human cultivator’ - complete with pictures of cities, farms, and individual human specimens. the message was that beings of a higher consciousness used techniques similar to those outlined in the mushroom cultivator to grow a human populated earth... I guess...
I think it was this same trip where I had a vision of individual human consciousnesses/egos growing and maturing like food plants on a farm, and the metallic glint of the scythe used to harvest this crop was a UFO or flying saucer.
another one: on a different trip they insisted that complex mathematics could be performed using the unique shapes formed by tree branches (or roots, or mycelia, neural pathways, etc). which I suppose should have been obvious - that is sort of how logic gates work - but I didn’t understand that at the time.
This parallels with my research and trip experience, as well. This level of reality is like a slow drip dream/trip, where that baseline is taken for granted completely. I've yet to attempt DMT but I have strong intuitions that appear to be, so far, proven fairly accurate based on other (reliable) people's reports.
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My thoughts are that this "other intelligence" is either your own brain communicating to you for example areas in the right hemisphere, or God.
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and this video where I got these from: t=1549
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ReoSpeedwagon153 said: I had a vision of a different version of this book - ‘the human cultivator’ - complete with pictures of cities, farms, and individual human specimens. the message was that beings of a higher consciousness used techniques similar to those outlined in the mushroom cultivator to grow a human populated earth... I guess...
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This is a fascinating theory and entirely possible imo. Sometimes during mushroom trips the world feels fake like in the Matrix, like it is staged. That's probably some sort of projection though, but nevertheless a very strong intuitive feeling.
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Re: "The Mushroom said to me..." [Re: InnerWisdom]
#27095549 - 12/18/20 09:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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InnerWisdom said: My thoughts are that this "other intelligence" is either your own brain communicating to you for example areas in the right hemisphere, or God.
I don’t have time to watch the videos at the moment but I am very interested in doing that.
I am open to this possibility, and years ago I decided to stop arguing with myself about whether the entities are ‘real.’ it doesn’t matter, at least not to me... however I do tend to lean a lot further on the spiritual reality side of this question.
once I posed the mushroom entities a request for something that could amount to proof that this isn’t all in my head. they gave me what I asked for, but of course it was in a form that could only convince me and could never be used as objective evidence for anyone with a touch of skepticism.
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So you are on the side of them being separate entities outside your brain like interdimensionally or something? I haven't experience these entities "in the flesh" yet
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Re: "The Mushroom said to me..." [Re: InnerWisdom]
#27096160 - 12/18/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes but not in a way I could use to defend that position though.
I am convinced for myself, and that is it. I know personally that the entities/beings I have encountered using psychedelics are either separate from me, or so foreign from my own ego and self that it doesn’t matter. I don’t think all of these explanations need to be mutually exclusive either... I think this can be a psychological phenomenon and a spiritual or extradimensional thing at the same time
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Re: "The Mushroom said to me..." [Re: InnerWisdom]
#27096646 - 12/18/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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InnerWisdom said: My thoughts are that this "other intelligence" is either your own brain communicating to you for example areas in the right hemisphere, or God.
I'd argue it's the subconscious/unconscious, which is your "cord" to "infinite intelligence", "God", etc.
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InnerWisdom said: So you are on the side of them being separate entities outside your brain like interdimensionally or something? I haven't experience these entities "in the flesh" yet
Yes, absolutely. There are many levels of entities that can rotate in and out of our "slice" of the reality pie. We're fish in a tank; we're the last to discover water, let alone how to navigate it/leave and return to it optimally.
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I've never met entities on mushrooms, but i remember mckenna saying that when you are loaded enough you reach a place/feeling where you have to invoke them or give them permission. I don't know i'm still working on implementing this one.
I think The reductionist view that parts of the brain are communicating with each other is a good hypothesis, but I think the truth is something much stranger (by our culture's standards). In shamanic cultures the spirit world and ancestors are normalized, this kind of idea is not permitted in western culture and people will do anything and everything to explain the supernatural away.
I've encountered many entities in the dmt flash but there was one that really stuck with me. I was transported onto a slow roller coaster in almost complete darkness, but the darkness was made of spirits (i call them spirits but i'm afraid they are really demons or jin). As i rolled through the darkness i could feel all of them touching and jumping into my body making me feel strange sensations and there was an overwhelming sense of déjà vu. during this session i was laying directly beside my friend Jake who was also comatose in a dmt trip. They allowed me into my body and i looked at jake but he was a beautiful woman with full breasts.I was in total disbelief so i grabbed jake's chest to confirm what i was seeing. once i fondled his chest i was transported back in to the void where the dark looking spirits audibly told me that "Life is a game... it's best payed with two... and there's someone out there for everyone... even you. once i got the message they aggressively shot my spirit back into my body, at the exact moment the closing time song by semisonic was saying something about "let you out into the world".
from what i understand hearing them on dmt is very rare but common on high dose mushrooms. i'd love to hear anyone's experience with entities or if anyone can shed some light on the invoking the spirits while on mushrooms.
I hope this is on topic.
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Re: "The Mushroom said to me..." [Re: CrazyDragon] 2
#27096761 - 12/18/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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"Consciousness is a conserved physical quantity, equivalent to energy. Furthermore, Einstein's mass-energy equivalence theorem applies to all forms of mass-energy."
My takeaway is that reincarnation obeys the laws of physics and that matter (mass) has some, albeit rudimentary, level of consciousness...
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Re: "The Mushroom said to me..." [Re: Kyngwhatt]
#27096926 - 12/19/20 12:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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4HO-DMT said: "Consciousness is a conserved physical quantity, equivalent to energy. Furthermore, Einstein's mass-energy equivalence theorem applies to all forms of mass-energy."
My takeaway is that reincarnation obeys the laws of physics and that matter (mass) has some, albeit rudimentary, level of consciousness...
I'd argue matter is a reflection OF/function OF consciousness, which creates all sorts of fun feedback loops. Consciousness could also be said to be the one thing that decreases entropy, as well.
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Kyngwhatt said: I've never met entities on mushrooms, but i remember mckenna saying that when you are loaded enough you reach a place/feeling where you have to invoke them or give them permission. I don't know i'm still working on implementing this one.
I think The reductionist view that parts of the brain are communicating with each other is a good hypothesis, but I think the truth is something much stranger (by our culture's standards). In shamanic cultures the spirit world and ancestors are normalized, this kind of idea is not permitted in western culture and people will do anything and everything to explain the supernatural away.
I've encountered many entities in the dmt flash but there was one that really stuck with me. I was transported onto a slow roller coaster in almost complete darkness, but the darkness was made of spirits (i call them spirits but i'm afraid they are really demons or jin). As i rolled through the darkness i could feel all of them touching and jumping into my body making me feel strange sensations and there was an overwhelming sense of déjà vu. during this session i was laying directly beside my friend Jake who was also comatose in a dmt trip. They allowed me into my body and i looked at jake but he was a beautiful woman with full breasts.I was in total disbelief so i grabbed jake's chest to confirm what i was seeing. once i fondled his chest i was transported back in to the void where the dark looking spirits audibly told me that "Life is a game... it's best payed with two... and there's someone out there for everyone... even you. once i got the message they aggressively shot my spirit back into my body, at the exact moment the closing time song by semisonic was saying something about "let you out into the world".
from what i understand hearing them on dmt is very rare but common on high dose mushrooms. i'd love to hear anyone's experience with entities or if anyone can shed some light on the invoking the spirits while on mushrooms.
I hope this is on topic.
My deal is I firmly experience consciousness as a non-local phenomena. This means things like astral travel, etheric/energy healing, and to a degree, ESP and direct subconscious alpha wave states to shift behavior, etc. Also, neuroplasticity is something that adds validity to the mercurial nature of consciousness; the ability for grey matter in the brain to literally strengthen, or weaken, depending upon the intensity of intention of what's being observed/practiced, etc.
People LOVE to use what's called a "borrowed concept" fallacy, in which they directly admit drugs will change your brain, but you can't change your brain back around the drugs, lol. People that grasp and accept neuroplasticity, and work with it, have insane recovery and behavioral shifts because they're finally working with "higher" portions of their being, versus just raw reductionist biology which will appear to demand pharmaceutical inputs which deal with only that, and have little to no bearing in an actual shift in the quality of the consciousness of any given observer.
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so far my experiences have only yielded my own internal monolog talking back to me, usually making fun of the previous thought. a trace of myself mixed with a trace of something else. haven't achieved an absolutely clear sense of The Other yet.
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