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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
#27086422 - 12/12/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Arron said: I cannot recall exactly the names and authors of the books I read. The one you ae referring to was based on The Tebetin Book of The Dead. I was in a relaxed state, safe quiet places, alone in the mountains. What has happened to me is a direct result of the mushrooms.
I'm not sure how to add a link to a YouTube clip. Search for;
"A single Pscilocybin trip, Jordan Peterson talks to Dr Roland Griffiths"
To quote; "permanent personality transformations, (neurological & pschological changes) + 10% chance with Pscilocybin of a trip to HELL.
Hope you find some relief friend.
I would like to ask here, is is possible you were tripping so hard that your trauma (rape?) was actually another human and your mental state prevented you from recognizing or remembering the event, or some PTSD triggering here? Being out of your mind on a strong psychedelic may have attracted some attention in a remote setting.
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: SynKyd]
#27086547 - 12/13/20 12:17 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah what's up with this physical rape thing... OP, you went full psychotic mode after mushrooms somewhere in there. You couldn't do any reality testing and your paranoid thoughts and imagination have taken over. I would argue you were already susceptible for this kind of experience especially when not treading with caution, because what you said about cell towers and radio waves causing DNA damage. I don't know what other paranoid conspiracies you believe but that's already quite crazy, and that kind of shit can get out of hand on psychedelics easily If you can't be mindful of what is going on. During the comeup of my last trip I had intense paranoid thoughts about some interdimensional insects burrowing into my brain to suck my energy or some shit like that and it felt kind of real, but then I had enough of that craziness and shook it off and out of me literally. If you can't distinguish crazy irrational thoughts during the experience or when sober, it's byebye sanity.
One more thing Arron. The more you think mushrooms caused some damage and raped you and what not, the less you are in control and in understanding of the reality of your situation. It's not the shrooms, it's your mind and your brain.
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
#27086867 - 12/13/20 08:01 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Arron said: From my experience they are forbidden because they can destroy your sense of self and free will. There are other ways of finding out what is going on. Or thinking for yourself, than taking mushrooms.
To quote Terrance again, to say; " The mushroom said to me...." Is not thinking for yourself.
Are you saying that the fruit of knowledge found in Eden destroys free will if eaten?
Regarding the quote: That someone spoke to him doesn't mean he is prevented from thinking for himself...? Your are applying ridiculous amounts of bias and predetermined ideas to the words you are quoting.
If you read a book it can speak to you. If you engage in social interaction, the people you meet can speak to you. Etc.
Are you saying these things prevents thinking for yourself?
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron] 2
#27087440 - 12/13/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Arron said: I am unable to have children because of what has happened to me.
This does not compare as a metaphor or in intensity to becoming a father. And I find it offensive. (Weather you ment it to be or not). It is a further insult to say my report is a sign of mental illness.
You did not have the same problem with alcohol.
With respect - coming upon your post, the way you describe your experiences and present state of reality, it is a logical, evidence-based conclusion to draw that there is mental illness at play here. Many posters here, myself included, have lots of experience with mental illness. I personally have had long, intense periods of paranoid delusion related to substance use. I still grapple with it.
Being a sign of mental illness doesn't mean that your experience is being dismissed or invalidated. Mental illness doesn't mean you're "lesser than" or that there aren't other things going on - you might be experiencing a particularly acute "spiritual emergency" or a "dark night of the soul." I've seen many posters here over the years make similar posts in the grips of very overwhelming and powerful psychic energy, and later on reflect that it was part of a much longer (unending) process of acquiring self-knowledge.
I don't have much advice to offer, but I think you need grounding and rest, and maybe the current way you're going about trying to heal isn't allowing you to return to an equilibrium. It's a difficult time in the world in general, it's not easy to find peace or equanimity, but hopefully you'll find some cues here or elsewhere that'll lead you to have more of that in your life.
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Lion] 1
#27088547 - 12/14/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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To OP:
I hope you find some relief to your current state. If you came here to ask our opinions or advice, we are happy to share our experiences. If you came here trying to convince everyone to give up mushrooms, it is not a good use of your time.
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: VP123]
#27088752 - 12/14/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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They did not rape me during the "trip". It has taken over my dreams (for 3+ years).
The "conversation" mushrooms have with people after they take them, is not an ordinary conversation. It is not a book you can choose to close (though I am still trying to), or a person you can walk away from. They are more like a parasite, or infection.
They are living creatures/ beings. Not just another medicine/ substance. It is niave to think they don't have their own kind of agenda. And are using/ abusing vulnerable people? That are then labled as menttaly ill, & alienated or medicated as a way of suppressing those who speak out.
This is a report of psychedelic use and dreams. If you were to read others accounts of these experiences, You may also conclude that they are delusional & or mentally unstable/schizophrenics.
If you keep lableing all negative experience from this substance as the fault of the individual, you are missing the point, that these mushrooms are not like other psychedelics. They can be decietfull and extremely abusive ( to anyone ).
People seem to have a way of turning every negative report about mushrooms around & blaming the individual. These experiences are likely underreported, Possibly because of these kind of abusive comments.
What makes your positive reviews any more valid than my negative report?
This does not make sense; They are promoted as a treatment for depression and suicidal thoughts. Yet should not be taken if you have a history of mental health problems.
Lableing something as Sacred/ Devine does not make it so. ie; the Church (abuse, hatred, rape, corruption etc).
From my understanding they are the " Forbidden Fruit" from the bible. To eat them and surely die, may not be a literal death. You may lose your sense of self and free will? As they have been shown to have permanent neurological effects. If you have taken mushrooms already. Then you can never know if your ideas are really your own or the mushrooms.
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
#27088775 - 12/14/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Arron said: From my understanding they are the " Forbidden Fruit" from the bible. To eat them and surely die, may not be a literal death. You may lose your sense of self and free will?
...Or you may gain a sense of self and free will. How about that... Creativity and free expression is connected to psychedelics for a reason.
Society is a fucking hamster wheel with normalized morons following their flocks towards *no fucking clue because it don't matter for the flock*. And you are saying there is a problem with mushrooms because they can take away free will? Free will is basically nonexistent in the first place, mushrooms are one of the things that actually have the power to change that. There might be risks involved, as with anything and everything, but that one of those risk would be that you jeopardize your free will, is beyond preposterous.
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Arron said: As they have been shown to have permanent neurological effects. If you have taken mushrooms already. Then you can never know if your ideas are really your own or the mushrooms.
Mushrooms don't have ideas.
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Malkuthian] 2
#27088863 - 12/14/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Arron, have you considered the possibility that you could be wrong?
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Lion]
#27088889 - 12/14/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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People here are unbelievably compassionate and are really trying to help. Yet everything they say goes in one ear and out the other. We might all be wrong and you might be right, but it's clear you aren't considering anything that is written.
I don't know why I'm trying again, but here's some thoughts:
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Arron said: The "conversation" mushrooms have with people after they take them, is not an ordinary conversation. It is not a book you can choose to close (though I am still trying to), or a person you can walk away from. They are more like a parasite, or infection.
They can amplify the subconscious, bring the archetypes forward, and can open old traumas. The trip can bring confusion, delusion and fear as much as bliss and understanding. None of that is "parasitic". It is not an infection. It does not feed off of its host to the host's detriment. It does not destroy the host. If you have chemical tolerance to it (from recent use or natural tolerance), you can consume mushrooms without any effect.
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Arron said: They are living creatures/ beings. Not just another medicine/ substance. It is niave to think they don't have their own kind of agenda. And are using/ abusing vulnerable people?
So is Kale and so was the hamburger just eaten. Does that mean that the Kale and the cow are now forcing an agenda on the consumer?
Everything you eat is alive or was living. If your statement was true, then all of those foods would be acting out their agenda(s) through us. What would happen when we ate foods with opposing agendas?
Mushrooms (mycelium to be exact) are living creatures. They may have their own thoughts, feelings and experience. But that doesn't mean consuming them "transfers" them to your mind and gives them control. Cannibals don't become the people they eat and beef eaters don't start grazing like cows after beef consumption.
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Arron said: That are then labeled as mentally ill, & alienated or medicated as a way of suppressing those who speak out.
You may also conclude that they are delusional & or mentally unstable/schizophrenics.
No. Especially on a website like this, people always give you the benefit of the doubt. Lion said it perfectly, you might be experiencing:
"acute "spiritual emergency" or a "dark night of the soul."
So people are really trying. But, just like you claim that people are quick to turn to mental illness as an explanation, others are quick to dismiss that mental illness might be afflicting them. It works both ways.
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Arron said: If you keep labeling all negative experience from this substance as the fault of the individual, you are missing the point,
No one is labeling all negative experiences as mental illness. But to have continuing mental anguish long after consumption is just a hint that manifestation of a mental illness should be considered. Lion said it best:
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Lion said: With respect - coming upon your post, the way you describe your experiences and present state of reality, it is a logical, evidence-based conclusion to draw that there is mental illness at play here.
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Arron said: that these mushrooms are not like other psychedelics. They can be deceitful and extremely abusive ( to anyone ).
How did you come to the revelation that mushrooms are "evil" whereas other psychedelics are not? Was it simply based on your anecdotal experience?
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Arron said: People seem to have a way of turning every negative report about mushrooms around & blaming the individual. These experiences are likely underreported, Possibly because of these kind of abusive comments.
99% of comments here are the exact opposite of abusive. Reading people's responses, most of them have been nothing but caring, loving, compassionate etc. No one is blaming you. Mental illness can strike anyone and strikes almost everyone, in some way shape or form, in their life, through no fault of their own.
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Arron said: What makes your positive reviews any more valid than my negative report?
Nothing. Positive experiences and negative experiences are equally important. This website is dedicated, among other things, to the discussion of all types of psychedelic experiences.
No one is invalidating your experience. They are attempting a discussion and you are blowing them off, refusing to take anything they say, and wanting them them to believe you as if your word alone was truth. No one is telling you what you are experiencing, just giving you SUGGESTIONS about what may be occurring from their experiences.
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Arron said: This does not make sense; They are promoted as a treatment for depression and suicidal thoughts. Yet should not be taken if you have a history of mental health problems.
They say that for harm reduction purposes. And because psychedelics work on the mind, those with mental illness may be more susceptible to negative effects (although there isn't complete evidence of that as these substances are illegal and can't be extensively studied).
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Arron said: Labeling something as Sacred/ Devine does not make it so. ie; the Church (abuse, hatred, rape, corruption etc).
Correct.
Labelling something evil does not make it so.
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Arron said: As they have been shown to have permanent neurological effects.
If it is true that mushrooms have been shown to cause permanent NEGATIVE neurological effects, please provide the evidence where this is shown.
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
#27088891 - 12/14/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Arron said: They did not rape me during the "trip". It has taken over my dreams (for 3+ years).
The "conversation" mushrooms have with people after they take them, is not an ordinary conversation. It is not a book you can choose to close (though I am still trying to), or a person you can walk away from. They are more like a parasite, or infection.
They are living creatures/ beings. Not just another medicine/ substance. It is niave to think they don't have their own kind of agenda. And are using/ abusing vulnerable people? That are then labled as menttaly ill, & alienated or medicated as a way of suppressing those who speak out.
This is a report of psychedelic use and dreams. If you were to read others accounts of these experiences, You may also conclude that they are delusional & or mentally unstable/schizophrenics.
If you keep lableing all negative experience from this substance as the fault of the individual, you are missing the point, that these mushrooms are not like other psychedelics. They can be decietfull and extremely abusive ( to anyone ).
People seem to have a way of turning every negative report about mushrooms around & blaming the individual. These experiences are likely underreported, Possibly because of these kind of abusive comments.
What makes your positive reviews any more valid than my negative report?
This does not make sense; They are promoted as a treatment for depression and suicidal thoughts. Yet should not be taken if you have a history of mental health problems.
Lableing something as Sacred/ Devine does not make it so. ie; the Church (abuse, hatred, rape, corruption etc).
From my understanding they are the " Forbidden Fruit" from the bible. To eat them and surely die, may not be a literal death. You may lose your sense of self and free will? As they have been shown to have permanent neurological effects. If you have taken mushrooms already. Then you can never know if your ideas are really your own or the mushrooms.
You use the term "fault," suggesting other users have said that these experiences are "your fault." I think this is a misinterpretation - the psilocybin may indeed have had a very negative effect on you. Few here would deny that mushrooms can produce or potentiate very negative and unwanted conditions in the minds and lives of people who use them. They're not universally positive and beneficial.
So, you need to separate these things out. It's not a question of "fault," it's a question of whether what you're describing seems like a plausible or likely interpretation of reality. You can be totally blameless, but that does not mean you are interpreting everything in the most accurate and skillful way. We're all very fallible.
I'm not going to claim that I know every property of this mysterious compound. Maybe it does have some sort of sentience, maybe there is some way in which it communicates with people, or opens a line of communication between people and another plane. There's certainly no concrete evidence for that, and it would drastically alter our scientific models of reality, but it's in the realm of possibility.
But the simplest explanation here is that these experiences have created a severe imbalance in your perception and interpretation of reality. With respect, it is not likely that a mushroom can abuse and rape a person, especially after the principal active compound has left one's body, which it does pretty quickly after a trip.
As I said, I've seen many other posters here having gone through similar things, and I myself have found myself in this kind of state. I wasn't and those posters weren't all doomed to live in that state forever. You have to find grounding and healing, and that may involve western psychiatric interventions, or alternative options, and may involve finding a way to rest for awhile and nourish your body and mind.
I would recommend returning to some basics: walking a lot, doing some vigorous exercise for 20-30 minutes a day, staying hydrated, preparing three healthy meals a day for yourself if possible, talking with a trusted friend or family member regularly if possible, and maybe looking into some techniques for positive self affirmation.
I wish you well and please don't take any of this as an attack or attempt to invalidate your experiences. I know from my personal experience, sometimes you need to have an outside perspective reminding you that what you're going through is temporary and healing can be found.
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Lion]
#27088929 - 12/14/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lableing something a "conspiracy theory" is also another way of disregarding something you do not understand.
That cell-phones, cell towers, WiFi etc cause cancer & DNA damage is another topic. (Controversial - because of disinformstion & corruption of scientific studies) If you still think this radiation is safe, you haven't done enough research.(I can post links?).
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
#27088998 - 12/14/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wish you all the best Arron. There's nothing wrong with seeking help, for anyone at any time may need it. Some of the ideas you are having seem very 'overwhelming' to you, and you believe your thoughts to be true. Sending positive vibes in your direction.
I also sometimes trick myself into believing things that are not true, everyone does. I think you need professional help. If you were willing to try mushrooms, you should be willing to try therapy.
All methods are worth a better quality of life. Get home, find a nice spot where you can be safe and work on this.
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
#27089007 - 12/14/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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As you have said; "Few here would deny that mushrooms can produce or potentiate very negative and unwanted conditions in the minds and lives of people who use them. They're not universally positive and beneficial."
What mushrooms are is not well understood.
They are not in the same food group as; kale, peanuts and Aspirin.
I understand my report has caused some cognitive dissonance, it would be upsetting to find out that something you trusted, ingested and advocated could in fact RAPE and TORTURE people. Maybe you could stop arguing with me about the credibility of my report and do some further research yourself to see if you can find any other cases of this happening?
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
#27089032 - 12/14/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Arron said: As you have said; "Few here would deny that mushrooms can produce or potentiate very negative and unwanted conditions in the minds and lives of people who use them. They're not universally positive and beneficial."
What mushrooms are is not well understood.
They are not in the same food group as; kale, peanuts and Aspirin.
I understand my report has caused some cognitive dissonance, it would be upsetting to find out that something you trusted, ingested and advocated could in fact RAPE and TORTURE people. Maybe you could stop arguing with me about the credibility of my report and do some further research yourself to see if you can find any other cases of this happening?
I've been at this website for 15 years and I've read thousands of trip reports and compared experiences with many fellow users of psychedelics. I have indeed seen people report similar things to what you've described, and in most cases they were diagnosed at some point with paranoid schizophrenia. I myself could have easily received such a diagnosis had I shared my delusions with the average mental health provider at some point. Thankfully I have found other ways of incorporating these darker elements of psychedelic use and of my own psyche - a difficult ongoing work. In the more positive cases people are able to heal and reflect after the fact that they had been going through a mental and/or spiritual crisis that was accompanied by delusive and extremely paranoid ideation.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
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They are not in the same food group as; kale, peanuts and Aspirin.
I understand my report has caused some cognitive dissonance, it would be upsetting to find out that something you trusted, ingested and advocated could in fact RAPE and TORTURE people. Maybe you could stop arguing with me about the credibility of my report and do some further research yourself to see if you can find any other cases of this happening?
Aspirin is not a food but ok.
I am willing to subject myself to a battery of mental evaluations by independent, licensed, professionals. How about you?
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
#27089177 - 12/14/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Arron said: I understand my report has caused some cognitive dissonance, it would be upsetting to find out that something you trusted, ingested and advocated could in fact RAPE and TORTURE people. Maybe you could stop arguing with me about the credibility of my report and do some further research yourself to see if you can find any other cases of this happening?
You are projecting.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and so far, your only argument is that we should believe you because you said so.
If we were to subject ourselves to mental evaluations, do you think the medical professionals would conclude you are correct and everybody else here is wrong?
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
#27089187 - 12/14/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Arron said: From my experience they are forbidden because they can destroy your sense of self and free will. There are other ways of finding out what is going on. Or thinking for yourself, than taking mushrooms.
To quote Terrance again, to say; " The mushroom said to me...." Is not thinking for yourself.
They can do that especially if your beliefs about self and free will ran oppposite prior to the truth.
Mushrooms given multiple heavy doses will most likely change your world view. Depending on the size of the shift this can be incredibly uncomfortable.
The .mushrooms didn't tell you anything. They just allowed you to have a more true conversation with yourself.
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: pineninja]
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I hope with time and space you can allow yourself to get better.
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: pineninja]
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17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Hartford]
#27092768 - 12/16/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll 2nd that mushrooms have been extremely positive in my life, so much so others have seen the change. Sorry you had a bad experience and are able to find the help you need.
Just like marijuana, and a long list of substances, Psychedelics can bring out schizophrenia, psychosis, and other mental health disorders in people who are genetically prone to them. They are not for everybody.
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