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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Allium]
    #27106885 - 12/25/20 04:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Hahah!a do you ever sleep :cheech: How are you doing this fine morning?



Very well my friend, can not complain.
Just fed my doggy and enjoying the christmas rain hoping it will turn somehow to snow.
Hope you are going strong ally boi


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27106922 - 12/25/20 05:47 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That's good my friend! Good luck on your snow  :snow:


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Doc9151]
    #27106987 - 12/25/20 07:15 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Is the classification of these beyond Panaeolus a largely unexplored area? This past spring, during societal lockdown, was an absolute boon for these and I noticed what was at least substantial phenotypic variation if not outright species differences. It would be interesting to see a Panaeolus paper doing what the early 2020 paper out of Quebec did for Gymnopilus.


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: LeafRaker]
    #27107160 - 12/25/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Is the classification of these beyond Panaeolus a largely unexplored area? This past spring, during societal lockdown, was an absolute boon for these and I noticed what was at least substantial phenotypic variation if not outright species differences. It would be interesting to see a Panaeolus paper doing what the early 2020 paper out of Quebec did for Gymnopilus.




Sure seems that way to me!


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
    #27107474 - 12/25/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Fuck it, I’m to curious to wait for my buddy. Making 4.5 grams worth of tea right now. This must be settled!


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
    #27107526 - 12/25/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Here are the new specimens





Very dark(not brown) gills, with white on edges. No veil remnants


After drying for a few hours.





Anyone see bluing? Also look at first pic, of caps, three stems look at the middle stem.
Sure looks like pictures of Olivaceus I’ve seen. Today it was 30 degrees and still fruiting, so pretty confident they’re not cintulus, but I’m not an expert in any way shape or form. Just gotta see if they’re trippy or not I guess! The bruising is incredibly weak overall so I imagine they are not very potent if psychoactive at all. However, even if they are weak, there has to be dozens of doses left to be picked in the field



These look like Psychoactive Panaeolus in the Panaeolus cinctulus group.


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: LeafRaker]
    #27107549 - 12/25/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Is the classification of these beyond Panaeolus a largely unexplored area? This past spring, during societal lockdown, was an absolute boon for these and I noticed what was at least substantial phenotypic variation if not outright species differences. It would be interesting to see a Panaeolus paper doing what the early 2020 paper out of Quebec did for Gymnopilus.



There is debate whether or not Panaeolus cinctulus grows in both grass and dung or only dung, it is now Nomen dubium because we only have a drawing to go from, no type collection exist, further study is needed,  it's possible that there is an undescribed species resembling Panaeolus cinctulus growing in grass, but microscopy is needed to check for an angular germ pore in an oblique view of the spore, DNA may help as well,  but most of the cinctulus look alikes can't be separated from one another using macrocharacteristics alone.


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Doc9151]
    #27107557 - 12/25/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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These look like Psychoactive Panaeolus in the Panaeolus cinctulus group.





Well good. Tea down the hatch. Will check back in in an hour or so

And also, I found what I am almost 100% certain is panaeolus papilionaceus growing in another similar pasture about 3/4 mile away. and it looks significantly different than these, I’ll try to get pics tomorrow.


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Doc9151]
    #27107572 - 12/25/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Is the classification of these beyond Panaeolus a largely unexplored area? This past spring, during societal lockdown, was an absolute boon for these and I noticed what was at least substantial phenotypic variation if not outright species differences. It would be interesting to see a Panaeolus paper doing what the early 2020 paper out of Quebec did for Gymnopilus.



There is debate whether or not Panaeolus cinctulus grows in both grass and dung or only dung, it is now Nomen dubium because we only have a drawing to go from, no type collection exist, further study is needed,  it's possible that there is an undescribed species resembling Panaeolus cinctulus growing in grass, but microscopy is needed to check for an angular germ pore in an oblique view of the spore, DNA may help as well,  but most of the cinctulus look alikes can't be separated from one another using macrocharacteristics alone.




Those waters got hella muddied the past two years.


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
    #27107659 - 12/25/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Well good. Tea down the hatch. Will check back in in an hour or so






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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Icyurmt]
    #27107693 - 12/25/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Feeling something, not incredibly strong but it’s there. Will go into more detail later! Made more tea and drank it half hour ago


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
    #27107703 - 12/25/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah these things are active! I’m gettin a little trippy!


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
    #27107715 - 12/25/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup: I was a little worried 4.5g might not be enough...IME temperate Panaeolus are pretty weak. Thanks for sharing, enjoy the journey!


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: LeafRaker]
    #27108209 - 12/26/20 03:18 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Woohoo psychoactive indeed.:dancer: My pressure on you to eat'em has paid off. Now we know another variation of Cinctulus and you got the magic.


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27108214 - 12/26/20 03:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

To hell with those twisted lines huh Doc !?
I can clearly see them on picture where shrooms are on the thin foil. (Middle stem especially shows that feature). Also they (t.lines) are visible in the first collection.

So kaeden, they were growing directly from the soil...?
None picked from the dung directly ?


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27108426 - 12/26/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Woohoo psychoactive indeed.:dancer: My pressure on you to eat'em has paid off. Now we know another variation of Cinctulus and you got the magic.



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To hell with those twisted lines huh Doc !?
I can clearly see them on picture where shrooms are on the thin foil. (Middle stem especially shows that feature). Also they (t.lines) are visible in the first collection.

So kaeden, they were growing directly from the soil...?
None picked from the dung directly ?




They were not growing directly out of cow patties, no. However, that field has been used so heavily for livestock I’m sure every square inch of soil contains rotted manure. The first 3 of the soil inches is nothing but rotting grass mixed with manure. As far as the lines go, you’re right they were definitely there. It was only of some though, others had the lines doing straight up the stem. I remember reading on some other site that it’s a myth that cinctulus can’t have twisted lines


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
    #27108513 - 12/26/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So how was it ? Intense or average ? How much did you end up consuming... did your friend trip as well


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
    #27108845 - 12/26/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder if animal dung, with its partially digested cellulose, isn't the common denominator for lawn pans? Every suburban area where I see them is crawling with rabbits, as well as seeing the occasional deer.


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: LeafRaker]
    #27108854 - 12/26/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Not only pans, many fungi species like it.
The thing is, it has the same role as coir in home mushroom cultivation. Holds moisture very well and also nutritious in a way fungi requires. Filled with minerals as well.


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27108867 - 12/26/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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So how was it ? Intense or average ? How much did you end up consuming... did your friend trip as well





I’m gonna have to pick more and experiment more. I took 4.5 grams in a tea, noticed some slight effects. Heavying of extremities, slight mood change, a bit more giddy, but also mildly sedated, no noticeable visuals. I had 2 drinks of whiskey and a couple spliffs, and they felt stronger than usual, however, it was hard to discern mushroom effects from ganja. Felt like I was smoking weed in my early smoking days sorta. After 2 hours I made tea with the rest of the dried mushrooms, another 2.5 grams or so. About 45 minutes later I definitely felt a difference. Perception was thrown off a bit, my head wouldn’t stay still but kept nodding around like a bobble head ever so slightly. It felt amazing to roll my neck in circles. Sedation became heavier. Brightness of colors enhanced slightly, mild CEVs, but mostly just a bit of perception change of space and distance. I did sort of have to tune in to significantly notice these effects, they were there but not very intense. No feelings of anxiety or nausea (common for me) and almost unnoticeable come up. Almost opiate reminiscent in some ways, interesting how each mushroom produces a very different effect. Overall it felt like strong cannabis mixed with more alcohol than I drank and maybe a 10mg OxyContin. But also you could feel the psychedelic aspect in the background, not near as pronounced as cubes especially in the visuals department. Cyans give me an almost speedy trip, and these gave me more of a downer feeling. Will have to pick more!

If there is anyone with equipment and interest to inspect these further, PM me.


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