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He just might have already
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Allium said: He just needs to eat them and let us know if he gets heaven, or hellish shits 
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RenegadeMycologist said: I don't know why is he waiting so long. At least he should show some common courtesy and pop a few and let us know. All ti's confirmed they are not deadly or highly toxic, so why drag your feet op.

I do work, lol. I’ll be everyone’s guinea pig tomorrow though... cross your fingers!
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
#27095508 - 12/18/20 09:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Allium]
#27095539 - 12/18/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Can't wait.
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RenegadeMycologist said: Panaeolus olivaceus probably.
Possibly. But a microscope is required to confirm that species a 100%.
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Allium said: Panaeolus olivaceus is psychoactive 
They are apparently extremely weak, and given the work required to identify them, I'd probably leave them alone and look for something more worthwhile - that is, if tripping is the main purpose of the hunt.
Decided to take this to heart and went hunting for some P. pelliculosa after reading about it fruiting in clear cuts near sulfur tufts, and I was in that same environment a couple days ago. Think I found them, they bruise blue. New ID request thread coming soon!
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The stipes, from what I can see, they look like the fibrous stipe seen with the Panaeolus papilionaceaus group as well as the color and habitat being consistent with Pan. Papilionaceaus. Pan. Cinctulus, olivaceous, fimicola and the other active Panaeolus species do not have a fibrous stipe that is tough like what is seen in papilionaceaus, nor are they totally reddish brown like papilionaceaus. Based on my observations, the active Pans. Will have an all whitish colored stipe or they will have a combination of reddish and whitish, for example the Cinctulus growing from horse dung I've found will have a reddish base up to about 2/3rds of the stipe then becoming whitish covered in whitish powdery substance, This is before being handled, once picked and laid on its side the stipe appears to be all off white and all the Cinctulus look alikes have twisting lines running the entire length. The only way I can separate them from one another is with microscopy and even then I find some that I just can't get to species level.
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Doc9151]
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Doc9151 said: The stipes, from what I can see, they look like the fibrous stipe seen with the Panaeolus papilionaceaus group as well as the color and habitat being consistent with Pan. Papilionaceaus. Pan. Cinctulus, olivaceous, fimicola and the other active Panaeolus species do not have a fibrous stipe that is tough like what is seen in papilionaceaus, nor are they totally reddish brown like papilionaceaus. Based on my observations, the active Pans. Will have an all whitish colored stipe or they will have a combination of reddish and whitish, for example the Cinctulus growing from horse dung I've found will have a reddish base up to about 2/3rds of the stipe then becoming whitish covered in whitish powdery substance, This is before being handled, once picked and laid on its side the stipe appears to be all off white and all the Cinctulus look alikes have twisting lines running the entire length. The only way I can separate them from one another is with microscopy and even then I find some that I just can't get to species level.
I think you may be right. Several specimens did have twsting lines like you mention. And also that there is plenty of dung in soil.
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
#27096466 - 12/18/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Note to self. Never listen to others trying to convince you to eat panaeolus papilionaceus.
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Allium]
#27098571 - 12/19/20 11:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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got poops or?
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: the man]
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the man said: got poops or?
He chickened out. Tossed them probably.
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the man said: got poops or?
He chickened out. Tossed them probably.
I did indeed after finding some pelliculosa and Cyanescens, however I have a buddy who is very curious after reading this thread and wants to try them. They are still growing out there, so I’ll pick more today and let you guys know what happens! If they are legit I’m in for a treat!
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
#27105804 - 12/24/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Woohoo. I did not forget this thread At All.
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Doc9151]
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Here are the new specimens


Very dark(not brown) gills, with white on edges. No veil remnants
 After drying for a few hours.


Anyone see bluing? Also look at first pic, of caps, three stems look at the middle stem. Sure looks like pictures of Olivaceus I’ve seen. Today it was 30 degrees and still fruiting, so pretty confident they’re not cintulus, but I’m not an expert in any way shape or form. Just gotta see if they’re trippy or not I guess! The bruising is incredibly weak overall so I imagine they are not very potent if psychoactive at all. However, even if they are weak, there has to be dozens of doses left to be picked in the field
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
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Kaeden123 said: Here are the new specimens


Very dark(not brown) gills, with white on edges. No veil remnants
 After drying for a few hours.


Anyone see bluing?
I’d consider those pans active. That last pic is some nice bruising.
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Doc9151]
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Doc9151 said:. Pan. Cinctulus, olivaceous, fimicola and the other active Panaeolus species do not have a fibrous stipe that is tough like what is seen in papilionaceaus, nor are they totally reddish brown like papilionaceaus. Based on my observations, the active Pans. Will have an all whitish colored stipe or they will have a combination of reddish and whitish, for example the Cinctulus growing from horse dung I've found will have a reddish base up to about 2/3rds of the stipe then becoming whitish covered in whitish powdery substance, This is before being handled, once picked and laid on its side the stipe appears to be all off white and all the Cinctulus look alikes have twisting lines running the entire length. The only way I can separate them from one another is with microscopy and even then I find some that I just can't get to species level.
Regarding the color of stem. I feel like the pictures do not accurately show the coloration because of reflection or something. Here’s a good pic of what the coloration looks like after drying a couple hours

And the bruising is very hard to see, if it’s not just a figment of my imagination lol. you have to be at just the right angle, here’s a good pic

Zoomed in same pic

Almost more purple than blue, maybe that’s because of reddish hue of stem mixed with blue? 3rd grade art class coming in handy!
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
#27106873 - 12/25/20 04:00 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, I still think they are active too, and not paps at all!
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Allium]
#27106881 - 12/25/20 04:14 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Allium said: Yeah, I still think they are active too, and not paps at all!
Oh look what the cat dragged, allium is back
And kaeden i see no bruising. There is some discoloration for sure but not sure if i would call that bruise. I think those are paps. Cincs if active.
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Hahah!a do you ever sleep How are you doing this fine morning?
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
#27106883 - 12/25/20 04:19 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kaeden123 said: Regarding the color of stem. I feel like the pictures do not accurately show the coloration because of reflection or something.
Always take pictures in the outdoor light, but not directly exposed to sun. Inside lights do the magic and change them
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