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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
    #27093700 - 12/17/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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tiny pics but couple do look bluish staining.  ya not cincts as fruit in warm weather..





This all of them dried, right around 7 grams. The graying I described on base of stem seems to have become more pronounced as they’ve dried. Here’s some pics, anyone else see a tinge of blue?

PS- they smell just like good cubes now that they’re dry




Many mushrooms smell similarly when they are dried, means nothing.

I see fifty shades of gray, hardly any blue. Maybe a little.


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27093751 - 12/17/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Well cinctulus are extremely weak but people hunt for and consume them as well.




As far as I know, P. cinctulus are moderately potent, while P. olivaceus are said to be very weak.
I can't tell from personal experience, however. I think the best source of information would be to find
reports of bio-assays of confirmed finds or cultivars.

The problem with the Panaeolus species not contained in the (former) subgenus Copelandia
is that they are, with some exceptions, generally quite easy to confuse by mere macroscopic features.
Additionally, with reference to Alan, there is a strong probability that the lawn-dwelling species assumed
to be P. cinctulus, is possibly a different species. None of this is hewn in stone, though, since more
work is required.

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I would just hoard up a big old batch and make tea, nothing to lose by doing that :shrug:




This is true in a sense, given that there are no toxic species of Panaeolus. I would expect
that nothing to little would happen, though, perhaps with the possible exception of a light stomach
ache and lots of ill-smelling gas.

On the other hand, you could strike gold unknowingly and end up flying through the ceiling, but I doubt it.


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Anglerfish]
    #27093850 - 12/17/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I guess we'll wait and see. I reckon there's no force in the world stopping him from eating those.


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Anglerfish]
    #27093923 - 12/17/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I would just hoard up a big old batch and make tea, nothing to lose by doing that :shrug:




This is true in a sense, given that there are no toxic species of Panaeolus. I would expect
that nothing to little would happen, though, perhaps with the possible exception of a light stomach
ache and lots of ill-smelling gas.

On the other hand, you could strike gold unknowingly and end up flying through the ceiling, but I doubt it.





Thanks everyone for their input! Interesting stuff. I did read that  Olivaceus fruits into December, and didn’t find any other Panaeolus species that said the same. I work on a large cattle ranch so if they are legit I’m in for a treat. Might have to make some tea with a couple grams and risk an upset stomach! The field I picked these from has got an easy 1-200 more growing!


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Anglerfish]
    #27093939 - 12/17/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Allium said:
Well cinctulus are extremely weak but people hunt for and consume them as well.




As far as I know, P. cinctulus are moderately potent, while P. olivaceus are said to be very weak.
I can't tell from personal experience, however. I think the best source of information would be to find
reports of bio-assays of confirmed finds or cultivars.

The problem with the Panaeolus species not contained in the (former) subgenus Copelandia
is that they are, with some exceptions, generally quite easy to confuse by mere macroscopic features.
Additionally, with reference to Alan, there is a strong probability that the lawn-dwelling species assumed
to be P. cinctulus, is possibly a different species. None of this is hewn in stone, though, since more
work is required.

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I would just hoard up a big old batch and make tea, nothing to lose by doing that :shrug:




This is true in a sense, given that there are no toxic species of Panaeolus. I would expect
that nothing to little would happen, though, perhaps with the possible exception of a light stomach
ache and lots of ill-smelling gas.

On the other hand, you could strike gold unknowingly and end up flying through the ceiling, but I doubt it.





Thanks for clearing all this up :thumbup:

I can't find any active pans here so I have never got to experience on how weak or strong they may be.

Last year was the only time I found cinctulus in all my years of living here, and they grew form my flower pot because I put horse manure it it.

This all being said, I would never encourage anybody to eat any properly unidentified mushrooms, but since those are pans and pans aren't poisonous, I figured what the heck, I would do it for sure!


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
    #27093977 - 12/17/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Also found these growing in a different pasture about a week ago and they look noticeably different than the ones I found recently. Any guesses on these? Spore print was jet black no picture though.



There was some slight color change on these, and to me they look more like cintulus’s than the new specimens.


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
    #27094029 - 12/17/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

"Noticeably different" ? In what feature?
I hardly see any difference from the first collection. Probably just darker phenotype.


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27094060 - 12/17/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

so, when you going to try them out??? Inquiring minds want to know, like me!


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Allium]
    #27094150 - 12/17/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

If i were you i would send Allium few grams, he likes to eat questionable pans and you wouldn't have to test it on yourself :dancer:


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27094183 - 12/17/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

:haha:


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
    #27094265 - 12/17/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Unfortunately, when I expand the pictures they are to blurred for me to see any details. From what I can see,  they look like the Panaeolus papilionaceaus group but clear in focus pictures would be helpful.


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Also found these growing in a different pasture about a week ago and they look noticeably different than the ones I found recently. Any guesses on these? Spore print was jet black no picture though.



There was some slight color change on these, and to me they look more like cintulus’s than the new specimens.



These look promising and it wouldn't hurt to try them...


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Doc9151]
    #27094283 - 12/17/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I can see those pan pap traits too on further inspection, but where the dung be at?


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Doc9151]
    #27094471 - 12/17/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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they look like the Panaeolus papilionaceaus group but clear in focus pictures would be helpful.[/url]





This could be true but then only if the veil remnants are entirely washed away.

Personally I don't think these are P. papilionaceus though, but then
again, pictures aren't always sufficient to tell, like I pointed out in my previous post.


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Anglerfish]
    #27094478 - 12/17/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Id make soup out of em :shrug:


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: HAKR ELITE]
    #27094492 - 12/17/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

If only all active pans bruised blue, then there would never be any confusion :smirk:


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Allium]
    #27095153 - 12/18/20 12:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I haven't seen any good evidence that Panaeolus olivaceus occurs in the USA - it's a name from Europe.    I am also not quite sure what Panaeolus olivaceus is, or if it's active.  I just got a sample from Europe so I might have some idea soon.  I don't know how many species are going under this name, probably a few.

I would guess Panaeolus acuminatus for these, or Panaeolus papilionaceus group, or Panaeolus cinctulus group.  May or may not be active, but aren't toxic.


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #27095281 - 12/18/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I always though  Panaeolus cinctulus form the very beginning, but who knows.


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Allium]
    #27095329 - 12/18/20 06:00 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I always though  Panaeolus cinctulus form the very beginning, but who knows.




I don't know, it's too cold for them, new year is around the corner. And also kinda off with the appearance.
If he proves them psychoactive, and if is Alan right about Olivaceus not occurring in the states, we would be confident they are cincs.
But now I think they are probably paps, op said the field was grazed by catle for centuries. If not, acuminatus. But either way, i think they are not active now.


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27095333 - 12/18/20 06:02 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

He just needs to eat them and let us know if he gets heaven, or hellish shits :rotfl:


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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Allium]
    #27095344 - 12/18/20 06:10 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know why is he waiting so long. At least he should show some common courtesy and pop a few and let us know.
All ti's confirmed they are not deadly or highly toxic, so why drag your feet op.
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