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Kaeden123

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Panaeolus ID Oregon (Updated)
#27092155 - 12/16/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Species #
Habitat: Growing in pasture that has been grazed by all sorts of livestock for decades, mainly cattle. Caps coming to just above the height of grass. Weather has been 40-50s and rainy. Only found one directly growing from dung, but there is plenty of manure in soil.
Gills: brownish grey and mottled getting darker with age (almost black). There are short small gills in between the long gills that are attached to stem.
Stem: Maybe 2-4 mm wide, 4-10 cm tall. Reddish brown with some lighter and some darker. No ring. Can see white mycelium at mildly bulbous base. There are somewhat translucent looking white lines running up the length of stem, most obvious close to cap and close to base. The stem is hollow.
Cap: 2-5 cm wide perhaps, dark brown when wet(picked when raining). As the caps dried they became more reddish brown with different zones being colored differently based upon moisture. Some had a small nipple, most did not.
Spore print: I believe Jet Black. There were 2 or 3 that were noticeably different, dark brown (I believe these were some pan. foes mixed in, and I believe the rest are cinctulus or olivaceous)(maybe more likely olivaceous given cooler weather and cincts like it warmer?)
Bruising:little to none. May be wishful thinking but some stems have a grayish color at base that may have a slight tint of blue.
General location: Willamette Valley Oregon
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Edited by Kaeden123 (12/25/20 09:45 AM)
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
#27092244 - 12/16/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Non active sp. I'm afraid. Panaeolus olivaceus probably.
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Panaeolus olivaceus is psychoactive
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Allium]
#27092347 - 12/16/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Axaxaxa really ?! Fml I didn't know that till now, sorry OP, hope you didn't trash them. Then I better be right in my assessment of species in question
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Could be the undescribed "lawn pans"
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I'd say that there is a good chance of some psycho activity there 
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RenegadeMycologist said: Axaxaxa really ?! Fml I didn't know that till now, sorry OP, hope you didn't trash them. Then I better be right in my assessment of species in question 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panaeolus_olivaceus
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Allium]
#27092751 - 12/16/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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tiny pics but couple do look bluish staining. ya not cincts as fruit in warm weather..
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Allium]
#27093509 - 12/17/20 04:49 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Allium said: I'd say that there is a good chance of some psycho activity there 
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RenegadeMycologist said: Axaxaxa really ?! Fml I didn't know that till now, sorry OP, hope you didn't trash them. Then I better be right in my assessment of species in question 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panaeolus_olivaceus
Definitely didn’t trash them, they’re drying safely. Sure hope they are olivaceous!
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
#27093515 - 12/17/20 04:55 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Keep us posted! Post bigger photos
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Allium]
#27093535 - 12/17/20 05:13 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah post bigger ones.
And if you eat them, I'm not suggesting or recommending it really, but if you find out they're psychoactive let us know.
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Quote:
Allium said: Keep us posted! Post bigger photos 
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RenegadeMycologist said: Yeah post bigger ones.
And if you eat them, I'm not suggesting or recommending it really, but if you find out they're psychoactive let us know.
Resized the pics to the largest file size I can upload. Hopefully this helps. I’m planning on eating them this weekend and I will let everybody know how it goes. Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but there are no look-alike’s (With blacks spore prints growing in pasture etc.) that are poisonous, and I would just be eating a non-active pan species?
Edited by Kaeden123 (12/17/20 05:40 AM)
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Moria841]
#27093549 - 12/17/20 05:43 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Moria841 said: Could be the undescribed "lawn pans"
Hm, I can’t seem to find much on “Lawn Pans”. If you know of their psychoactivity or anything else about them let me know! Is this just a generalization for several different Panaeolus species?
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
#27093551 - 12/17/20 05:46 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes it is generalization.
Could be, as stated by TI, some less known or even unknown Panaeolus sp.
I'm pretty sure it is not P.cinctulus.
P.olivaceus is likely, but not going to advise you to eat it, due to the fact it's not determined by certainty.
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
#27093568 - 12/17/20 06:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kaeden123 said:
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Moria841 said: Could be the undescribed "lawn pans"
Hm, I can’t seem to find much on “Lawn Pans”. If you know of their psychoactivity or anything else about them let me know! Is this just a generalization for several different Panaeolus species?
lawn pans is a term invented to describe the gap in identification of the active specie being found in lawns and other urban settings over the years.
They were originally referred to as cinctulus but that has changed. They could be fimicola, olivaceus, or other.
It’s probably a mix of all three.
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: lowbrow]
#27093589 - 12/17/20 06:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I''l eat em send em to me I'd bet money that those are active for sure!
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Allium]
#27093611 - 12/17/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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RenegadeMycologist said: Panaeolus olivaceus probably.
Possibly. But a microscope is required to confirm that species a 100%.
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Allium said: Panaeolus olivaceus is psychoactive 
They are apparently extremely weak, and given the work required to identify them, I'd probably leave them alone and look for something more worthwhile - that is, if tripping is the main purpose of the hunt.
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Well cinctulus are extremely weak but people hunt for and consume them as well.
I would just hoard up a big old batch and make tea, nothing to lose by doing that
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: the man]
#27093685 - 12/17/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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the man said: tiny pics but couple do look bluish staining. ya not cincts as fruit in warm weather..
This all of them dried, right around 7 grams. The graying I described on base of stem seems to have become more pronounced as they’ve dried. Here’s some pics, anyone else see a tinge of blue?

PS- they smell just like good cubes now that they’re dry
Edited by Kaeden123 (12/17/20 08:35 AM)
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Allium]
#27093691 - 12/17/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kaeden be advised, you could be eating uknown species.
Definitely it's not determined to some high confidence. You heard Angler, only scope could tell it apart from the others. Think twice.
That said, I think there are no poisonous Panaeolus sp. but you could prove me wrong.
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Re: Panaeolus ID Oregon [Re: Kaeden123]
#27093698 - 12/17/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kaeden123 said:
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the man said: tiny pics but couple do look bluish staining. ya not cincts as fruit in warm weather..
This all of them dried, right around 7 grams. The graying I described on base of stem seems to have become more pronounced as they’ve dried. Here’s some pics, anyone else see a tinge of blue?

PS- they smell just like good cubes now that they’re dry
Those would send me to the moon!
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