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Re: mantra for preparing for nonviolence and not doing drugs and winning [Re: Grapefruit]
    #27089577 - 12/14/20 09:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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This to you Pinkerton, a fellow criminal. :heart:



What crimes have you committed?


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Re: mantra for preparing for nonviolence and not doing drugs and winning [Re: Pinkerton]
    #27089688 - 12/14/20 11:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Crimes against myself, crimes against creation, crimes I just can't help. Transgressions. Both mental and physical, though I am not talking about things I would come up against a court of law for.

Extremely abnormal suffering is my lot too and I've found it's best to try not to let it get to you. To pass your days without murmur of complaint, to stay on a level, and even keel, as much as possible. Though it is very tempting indeed to let it get to me. This is known as accepting your karmic lot.


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Re: mantra for preparing for nonviolence and not doing drugs and winning [Re: Grapefruit]
    #27089757 - 12/15/20 01:05 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

In what way do you suffer in extremely abnormal ways? I'm going to be a bit direct now but I think you'll handle it; why have you not committed suicide yet?


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Re: mantra for preparing for nonviolence and not doing drugs and winning [Re: Pinkerton]
    #27089764 - 12/15/20 01:38 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

a little meditation and a little yoga every day


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Re: mantra for preparing for nonviolence and not doing drugs and winning [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27089765 - 12/15/20 01:39 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

the benefits really are vast


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Re: mantra for preparing for nonviolence and not doing drugs and winning [Re: Pinkerton]
    #27089885 - 12/15/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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In what way do you suffer in extremely abnormal ways? I'm going to be a bit direct now but I think you'll handle it; why have you not committed suicide yet?




Long story to the first part, can't be arsed to go through it. More the consequences of mental degradation and a split in my mind like a chasm. Still I'm kinda numb to it with benzos and what not, bit like a psychopath really.

Why have I not commited suicide? Kinda fucking pointless anyway first of all. Secondly I am fucking lazy. Thirdly I feel like I have a certain obligation to those who are attached to me, don't really wanna make a big splash like that, rather just go quietly. Still I might get around to it some day. Would be happy to find I had a reasonably easy cancer.


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Re: mantra for preparing for nonviolence and not doing drugs and winning [Re: Grapefruit]
    #27089903 - 12/15/20 05:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah a reasonably easy cancer is OK. Living my last days sleeping most of the day and on high doses of oxycontins and morphine and what not sounds pretty sweet.


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Re: mantra for preparing for nonviolence and not doing drugs and winning [Re: Grapefruit]
    #27090729 - 12/15/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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... To pass your days without murmur of complaint, to stay on a level, and even keel, as much as possible. ...




.  Steven Hawking seems to have been an example, of someone stuck in a situation, most would find unbearable. It would seem he partly coped with it by finding an emotionless but interesting mental world (in his case: math / physics).
.  Perhaps anything of this nature, whether it be chess, math, or other topic potentially interesting due to infinite variations, but devoid of the capacity to trigger emotions due to associations with past or current events in one's life, has some value, for some, also stuck in difficult situations.


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Re: mantra for preparing for nonviolence and not doing drugs and winning [Re: Ferdinando] * 2
    #27091610 - 12/16/20 06:01 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

OP said "may no difficulties come to me"

I always ask for some difficulties and interesting events to come my way. I want to tackle them and grow from this. I cannot imagine living a life without difficulties. I had many and always learned something from them. I'm not complaining about my fate being CRUEL to me, for bringing challenges my way. I cannot imagine asking for a perfect easy life in a mantra. I'd rather do the opposite.

I am rather happy about being alive now and I hope to be a witness to all the worst that is soon going to happen on this planet. All it takes is to try and learn how not to be afraid of pain. Some people say that we chose the time place and person we want to incarnate to. I don't really dig this much, but I make a conscious decision and accept being here, now, the person I am and I am hungry to take parts in the events which are taking place already and those which are due.
regardless of the level of difficulty these will be.


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Re: mantra for preparing for nonviolence and not doing drugs and winning [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #27091623 - 12/16/20 06:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

you must already be one of those rare people who have everything in working condition.

for you the mantra can be extended:
may I continue to be well and happy facing myriad challenges...
then widen the sphere to include a teacher, a friend, an acquaintance, a stranger, an opponent (see your enemy with honor - a klingon thing), and the whole world.


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Re: mantra for preparing for nonviolence and not doing drugs and winning [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #27092228 - 12/16/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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OP said "may no difficulties come to me"

I always ask for some difficulties and interesting events to come my way. I want to tackle them and grow from this. I cannot imagine living a life without difficulties. I had many and always learned something from them.




.  You express an attitude that leads to feeling strong, whereas the opposite would seem to lead to frequently feeling overwhelmed and even could be the basis for those who become Junkies.
. The attitude you express might be called an heroic attitude, or perhaps 'Nietzschean'. Gratitude is an attitude recommended by many.

In the Buddhist aphorism / saying: "May all beings be happy", etc. -
'it is meant to be similar to', in some ways, to the later saying
"Judge not lest yea be judged".
In other words the emphasis is on the all beings part
and wishing the same good fortune for all,
and keeping an open heart, that does not close down just because one doesn't like someone.

Fernadino's version with all "I"s and 'Me"s seems a pathetic later weakened version, perhaps, for those in consumer societies.


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Re: mantra for preparing for nonviolence and not doing drugs and winning [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #27092987 - 12/16/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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OP said "may no difficulties come to me"

I always ask for some difficulties and interesting events to come my way. I want to tackle them and grow from this. I cannot imagine living a life without difficulties. I had many and always learned something from them. I'm not complaining about my fate being CRUEL to me, for bringing challenges my way. I cannot imagine asking for a perfect easy life in a mantra. I'd rather do the opposite.




Interesting perspective.

Instead of wanting to avoid difficulties and problems, it might be wise to simply see them as a part of experience, without using such qualitative terms, which are seen and felt as derogatory. People often joke about the concept of heaven, and that what's tempting to deem a "perfect" life would likely feel less than human... And some problems and difficulties lead to incredibly wonderful experiences in life. Often we don't see that.


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Re: mantra for preparing for nonviolence and not doing drugs and winning [Re: laughingdog]
    #27093625 - 12/17/20 07:18 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Fernadino's version with all "I"s and 'Me"s seems a pathetic later weakened version, perhaps, for those in consumer societies.



call me a troll or any other name if you like, but I get the feeling that you are acting like the self appointed expert on buddhist form.

form is emptiness.

your critique of this effort of an earnest acolyte (Ferdinando is earnest above all) is inconsistent with Noble Eightfold Path:
right view, right resolve, right speech, right conduct, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right samadhi ('meditative absorption or union').
in no way are the particular words or ideas used on the way to right mindfulness or right samadhi to be critiqued.
i do not see right language or vocabulary among the 8
nor right country, right IQ, etc.

bite me


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Re: mantra for preparing for nonviolence and not doing drugs and winning [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27093716 - 12/17/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

be an angel next year


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Re: mantra for preparing for nonviolence and not doing drugs and winning [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27093723 - 12/17/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I recommend staying with all the good things like job etc.
and not letting negative things in
maybe think about what could they be
what are the risks
meditation can be used to prevent trouble


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Re: mantra for preparing for nonviolence and not doing drugs and winning [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27093739 - 12/17/20 09:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

has anyone seen harold and kumar
it's great for when high especially on shrooms
when we try to get there there is a place a thing a state a personality a self in the future that we want to get to
but here's the cat 22
the territory we are at before matters
too
almost as much
we become blind in search of the thing in the future
so we must be careful
always do no wrong
and do good
think about it
what do I do daily
tomorrow?
today?
what did I do today?
that is probably approximately what you will do tomorrow
so we have to be smart
we have to be sharp
avoid trouble
take your time
there must not be something bad in the life
a little drugs?
ok as long as it doesn't harm anyone else
but violence error and criminal and such none of that
and enjoy
and be happy
open minded
broad minded
maybe even give yourself a pat on the back an acknowledgement
and move on
and be kind
be nice
be proper mentally
and watch where you walk
walk innocently
as in with no bad stuff in the feet
and not to bad things
and then maybe lay in meditation and yoga
and try to follow redgreenvines' advice
be calm
be still
see walk get through it
what will happen before you have found your way
what will be in the years
see?


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Re: mantra for preparing for nonviolence and not doing drugs and winning [Re: laughingdog]
    #27093809 - 12/17/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Got plenty of ways to distract myself. Doesn't always work though, chess is way more than my mind can take, I listen to music, live like a hermit, chain smoke, take benzos, play easy video games (mmos), and learn a bit of Japanese. Takes my mind off things and it's better than getting on board with the prevailing narratives in this diseased social ship anyway. Just the way it goes when you're as broken as I, about all I'm capable of. Still I try to keep it steady.

"There ain't nothin' like a 9 to 5 to merk your creative verse
The life and times of Jake emerged
Where Brighton's bright lights the jade that burns
Collate the dirt and arrive in the naked earth, today
I live life in a hazy blur
Blazed, immersed in chasing a faceless skirt
So wait your turn to pray for your savior, sir
The flames'll burn for days in your paper church
My brain'd burst if it just had the guts to
I'd escape the world if I just had the funds to
I'm stuck hittin' undo, undo, undo
But 'control-z' never worked like the drugs do
Trust who? When your fucking lust has become you
Bun you, you haven't got the time anymore
Let me fly, set a course to the sky from the floor
And I'll soar from this island of violence and war
And the warbling sirens prized from the jaws of my former confinement
You died to conform them
Rise from your morgue as the kids cower, hell-bound
Pilot your thoughts to a twin-tower meltdown
This is how sweat sounds dripping from a prang fist
Swimming in a sandpit
Missing his Atlantis
That's rich, coming from the head of a Gremlin
Man there's too many steps and I'm ever descending"


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Re: mantra for preparing for nonviolence and not doing drugs and winning [Re: Grapefruit]
    #27094765 - 12/17/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Got plenty of ways to distract myself. Doesn't always work though, chess is way more than my mind can take, ...




Chess & math are also way more than my mind can take, but simpler number patterns and colored geometric patterns work to distract me.

Learning Japanese sounds like a very complex project. I was never very good with languages.

Reading and Youtube videos are also resources that are independent of others, that sometimes work.


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Re: mantra for preparing for nonviolence and not doing drugs and winning [Re: laughingdog]
    #27095678 - 12/18/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It's fairly easy with the modern app technology available for rote memorisation (particularly for Japanese), so long as you are not super goal oriented. I have no goal with it, just another aimless project.


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Re: mantra for preparing for nonviolence and not doing drugs and winning [Re: Grapefruit]
    #27096239 - 12/18/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Any way the wind blows is-a fine with me
Any way the wind blows, it don't matter to me...

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