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Shitake Block Fruiting
    #27091409 - 12/15/20 11:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So I just did 5 bags of shitakes that look like they are colonizing well. It's my first time. But (should have thought of this sooner, i know, but this is my new hobby and I got a too much all going on at once) now I'm wondering how to fruit them since I don't have a tent. Will the blocks fruit in normal room humidity? Is there a tek for fruiting in the bag?  Or should I just get a tent...


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: RamJam]
    #27091502 - 12/16/20 02:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27091505 - 12/16/20 02:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

u r going to need a lot more than that tent but u have like 3 months to get it set up since u r growing shiitake.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27092322 - 12/16/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Ok great so I guess fruiting in room humidity is no go for shitake. I figure my lions mane will do better in a tent set up too so i guess it's time to go for it!  I'll start looking up humidity and fans and temp control and all that stuff. thanks!


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: RamJam]
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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27094480 - 12/17/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

How about a large tote with holes drilled in all over it and perlite soaked in water over the bottom? I've seen this method be moderately successful


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Possum-Pie]
    #27094525 - 12/17/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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How about a large tote with holes drilled in all over it and perlite soaked in water over the bottom? I've seen this method be moderately successful




Not going to work for shiitake.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27095241 - 12/18/20 04:00 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

My grow room is a Home Depot greenhouse in my basement. It is a metal free-standing frame with a heavy plastic cover that has a zipper door. I put a sheet of plastic down first on the floor, put the greenhouse together on top of it and the roof peak is about 1 foot below my floor joists. I have a humidifier on a timer and plastic shelves inside. It is 8' x 8' x 10'



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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Possum-Pie]
    #27095525 - 12/18/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I dunno, a friend of mine used to fruit shiitake in his crawlspace with no added humidity.  They did fine.  Depending on your RH you might be able to get away with it I think.  Shiitake really don't need as much humidity as some other species.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Forrester]
    #27095780 - 12/18/20 12:21 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Good luck humidifying that with a pond fogger. My room is half that size and I went through two 9 disk foggers in 6 months at $300 each. I have a nice high-pressure system kit for sale. PM me if interested. It is much cheaper than a regular high-pressure system and no cleaning totes like with a pond fogger. It uses a pressure washer. It is the best system on the market right now!!


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27098764 - 12/20/20 05:02 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Good luck humidifying that with a pond fogger. My room is half that size and I went through two 9 disk foggers in 6 months at $300 each. I have a nice high-pressure system kit for sale. PM me if interested. It is much cheaper than a regular high-pressure system and no cleaning totes like with a pond fogger. It uses a pressure washer. It is the best system on the market right now!!



Not sure why you had a problem, the pond foggers are manufactured to fog outdoor ponds much larger square footage than a small grow room. 8x8x12= 768 cubic feet. Not a problem for a medium pond fogger. One thing that WILL burn them out fast is not having them at the recommended depth of H2O. Also, if you use distilled water, the sensors won't detect low water levels with will burn your unit out quickly. I first used a standard bed-side humidifier but I had problems with condensation on roof and floor.  Not good b/c it promotes mold growth. My problem has always been preventing too much humidity in this enclosed tent, not too little. Southwest Mushrooms has a video on Youtube showing his setup. He has grow tents much bigger than mine serviced with a single tote, exhaust fan and fogger units. He unzips the tent and the fog rolls out. His main problem is with hundreds of fruiting blocks/tent the fans gunk up with spores over time and he burns out the fans.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Possum-Pie]
    #27098897 - 12/20/20 07:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That dude is using two twelve disc foggers per tent. He could save much time and money by switching to a high pressure system.

I like pond foggers for being easy to setup and low initial investment but lots of people have had their units burn out.

A high pressure system seems more reliable long term, less maintenance/cleaning and possibly even cheaper depending on the size of the operation.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: deadmandave]
    #27099032 - 12/20/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

150 cubic feet here with a 3 disc fogger, no issues with lack of humidity or longevity..yet!

Granted,it's only been six months since upgrading to this set up,but with weekly cleanings I haven't even changed the discs yet,straight tap water.

I'd be curious how you burnt out 2 foggers in 6 months as well!?


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Harry Manbach]
    #27099692 - 12/20/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yea I am curious also. I used reverse osmosis water so the water was not the problem. I thought I just got a bad one so I bought another an it lasted about the same amount of time. That is why I built one from a pressure washer at half the cost of a pond fogger and I have done nothing not even change the filter in 3 years. I did not expect the pressure washer to last this long but it's still going after 3 years. I will never mess with pond foggers again you have a lot of cleaning instead of plug and play.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27099827 - 12/20/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Damn well understandable after $600 on pond foggers!!
  Gotta take the good with the bad I guess cleaning vs. a pressure washer kicking on all the time ( basement grow is directly under the bedroom).
Your setup definitely intrigues me, perhaps it could be centered in the garage and plumbed into the grow room...perhaps.  But that's an endeavor not only for another day,but a larger grow than the tent I got now!  Goals tho..


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Harry Manbach]
    #27099917 - 12/20/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yea my bed is directly above the pressure washer. So I built a sound deadening box. At first, I had to keep going and checking on it because I thought my pressure washer stopped working.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: deadmandave]
    #27105241 - 12/24/20 04:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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That dude is using two twelve disc foggers per tent. He could save much time and money by switching to a high pressure system.

I like pond foggers for being easy to setup and low initial investment but lots of people have had their units burn out.

A high pressure system seems more reliable long term, less maintenance/cleaning and possibly even cheaper depending on the size of the operation.



I wonder about quality of the foggers being at least part of the issue.  Inexpensive ones made in China may not last as long. SouthWest Mushroom is a commercial operation, I don't know the guy nor how successful his operation is, but he runs through hundreds of blocks/week in that pond fogger setup.
I was excited several weeks ago with my greenhouse-in-the-basement setup, but I've quickly seen that it is far to large. The greenhouse is old so I may  cut some pipes cut some plastic cover, gerri-rig a much smaller setup. It either is far to dry or dripping wet depending on how I humidify it. Being winter here in Pennsylvania isn't helping, my house is like 48% humidity now that the furnace is running. I am not looking for anything big, I'm just growing for home use and maybe drying some, so max capacity of grow room 3-5 5lb bags at a time I tried tote with perlite which works great for oyster or other fast growing, but I currently have a maitake bag in there that is faltering.  They take forever to fruit anyway and this bag has been in there for almost 2 weeks and it just beginning to put out pre-fronds. Harvest will be much less than I should get from this growbag size. I researched the heck out of this new hobby  but never considered the problems with keeping a stable humid and pathogen-free fruiting chamber. I tend to be O.C.D. about researching but somehow I missed the pitfalls of humidity. Luckily all of my Maitake bags are super healthy and the others I haven't opened to fruit yet until I lick this humidity problem.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Possum-Pie]
    #27105409 - 12/24/20 08:26 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Are you using a humidity controller in your FC?


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: taku]
    #27105651 - 12/24/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

About the humidity control, no I have none.  Most of what I read said no sterility during fruiting, and as long as you had a somewhat humid environment you were fine. I've seen people dump wet perlite into a tote and fruit mushrooms. I've seen no attempt at humidification in 5 gal. buckets. I'm confused for sure, and get conflicting data. My tent is a failure, too big too wet with vaporizer too dry with pond foggers. I've got multiple 5lb bags in various stages of growth and will need some reliable fruiting room within the next week or so. I have a maitake block that was stunted in my tent and put it into a tote with perlite 2 days ago so it wouldn't die. I know it isn't perfect, but I have a humidity meter in there and it is running 80%. Problem is Maitake are notoriously slow at fruiting and the risk of contaminants is very high in this makeshift contraption.

Within the world of mycological-as-hobby, mis-information, conflicting information, and truth are muddled together.  I've seen obsessive technique with surgical level sterility throughout the entire process, and I've seen "sloppy joe" without gloves or alcohol dumping spawn into a bucket and slapping on a lid. I've seen success and failure in both. Trying to get accurate information is difficult. Someone just told me that a sterile needle opened from a sterile package needed flame sterilized. I'm a medical professional working with needles all of the time. I open needles and insert them into patients veins, and I open scalpels and cut into people. These are the most sterile items you can buy and it's erroneous to tell people they must flame sterilize these items. So yes misinformation frustrates me.  I think I'm going to get a hacksaw, shears, and re design this large greenhouse into something 6X3X3 to try to control humidity better. 54 cubic feet should be easier to control than that tent.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Possum-Pie]
    #27105878 - 12/24/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, so you say you have grown oysters in a shotgun fruiting chamber and they grew great. Oysters do not grow great in SGFC's. Will they grow? Yes, they will grow but far from great. Oysters should have a short stipe. I get stipes that are about an 1".

That should help you understand what you are looking for when growing oysters.

What size is the tent you are using now?

How many disks is the fogger you are using?

How are you getting your intake air?

How are you running your exhaust air?

How are you controlling your humidity? (Timer or Humidity controller?)

We can get this working for you but If you need it in a week you are going to have to get going. You still may not make it in a week but we will give it a shot.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Possum-Pie]
    #27106240 - 12/24/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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That dude is using two twelve disc foggers per tent. He could save much time and money by switching to a high pressure system.

I like pond foggers for being easy to setup and low initial investment but lots of people have had their units burn out.

A high pressure system seems more reliable long term, less maintenance/cleaning and possibly even cheaper depending on the size of the operation.



I wonder about quality of the foggers being at least part of the issue.  Inexpensive ones made in China may not last as long. SouthWest Mushroom is a commercial operation, I don't know the guy nor how successful his operation is, but he runs through hundreds of blocks/week in that pond fogger setup.
I was excited several weeks ago with my greenhouse-in-the-basement setup, but I've quickly seen that it is far to large. The greenhouse is old so I may  cut some pipes cut some plastic cover, gerri-rig a much smaller setup. It either is far to dry or dripping wet depending on how I humidify it. Being winter here in Pennsylvania isn't helping, my house is like 48% humidity now that the furnace is running. I am not looking for anything big, I'm just growing for home use and maybe drying some, so max capacity of grow room 3-5 5lb bags at a time I tried tote with perlite which works great for oyster or other fast growing, but I currently have a maitake bag in there that is faltering.  They take forever to fruit anyway and this bag has been in there for almost 2 weeks and it just beginning to put out pre-fronds. Harvest will be much less than I should get from this growbag size. I researched the heck out of this new hobby  but never considered the problems with keeping a stable humid and pathogen-free fruiting chamber. I tend to be O.C.D. about researching but somehow I missed the pitfalls of humidity. Luckily all of my Maitake bags are super healthy and the others I haven't opened to fruit yet until I lick this humidity problem.




yeah even the nice foggers are made in china. Those 12 discs are $300, so he has $600 in foggers for each grow tent. thats like $1.8k-2.4k in foggers! you can get way better humidification for that money without all the cleaning maintenance.

that being said, i had a 3 disc from HOH that i used for more than 2 years and it still works. it humidified a room that was 8x8x8.

for me the easiest way to control a fogger was a cycle timer.

i think you're on the right track. just a word of caution, if you shrink your room down too much you might struggle with oysters if you continue to grow them. They like a little bit larger space. perhaps a circulation fan would help them in a small grow room.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: RamJam]
    #27106815 - 12/25/20 02:17 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27106912 - 12/25/20 05:31 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)


What size is the tent you are using now?  WAY too big- 8X8X10

How many disks is the fogger you are using?  None, the tent is too big I used a humidifier and it caused horrible condensation

How are you getting your intake air? Passively, the tent holds 640 cubic feet and I only have 1 Maitake block in it currently

How are you running your exhaust air? I'm not

How are you controlling your humidity? (Timer or Humidity controller?) Vaporizer

We can get this working for you but If you need it in a week you are going to have to get going. You still may not make it in a week but we will give it a shot.Thanks. I put the Maitake block in a shotgun tub to try to keep it alive while I redo the greenhouse. It's old so I'm not opposed to cutting it up to make a smaller area. 3X3X6 I was considering with just enough room for plastic shelves and a zipper front. Obviously the home vaporizer is a fail, it blasts out incredible humidity but too much as the cool air of the tent roof/floor condenses the vapor and drips. That is a recipe for contaminant mold. Maybe a dryer vent and exhaust fan running full may overcome the buildup, I'm not opposed to pond foggers though.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Possum-Pie]
    #27107152 - 12/25/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Up to you to break down the FC and reassemble to the size you'd prefer. But with that said, even if you reduce the size of the FC, it's worth investing in a humidity controller, and you'll want to exhaust the air in your FC so you can get a good fresh air exchange.

I have a 3x3x5 FC that I'm setting up with a 3disc fogger, 4" exhaust fan setup to an infinite cycle timer to completely recycle the air in the FC 6 times an hour, a humidity controller that kicks on my fogger when humidity drops below 70% and brings it up to 85% before turning off, and then lights on a 12hr on/12hr off timer.

Makes it easier.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: taku]
    #27107237 - 12/25/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Up to you to break down the FC and reassemble to the size you'd prefer. But with that said, even if you reduce the size of the FC, it's worth investing in a humidity controller, and you'll want to exhaust the air in your FC so you can get a good fresh air exchange.

I have a 3x3x5 FC that I'm setting up with a 3disc fogger, 4" exhaust fan setup to an infinite cycle timer to completely recycle the air in the FC 6 times an hour, a humidity controller that kicks on my fogger when humidity drops below 70% and brings it up to 96% before turning off, and then lights on a 12hr on/12hr off timer.

Makes it easier.




Care to share pics if your setup if you have them, and any details on your humidity controller, fan, etc.? And what types do you grow in your FC?

I am hoping to start growing edibles in the next couple months. I spent a few years way back with the psilocybin kind, but excited to dive into edibles. My plan is shiitake and oyster right now.


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    #27107462 - 12/25/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

QUESTION: What are the comparisons between a tub with fan and fogger blowing in to the tent versus a cool mist home humidifier such as "Home Medics" etc. and a tube system blowing it into the tent besides the hassle of refilling the home humidifier more often?


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    #27107588 - 12/25/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

They are the same thing. They are ultrasonic humidifiers. Your problem is you are not controlling the humidity with a cycle timer or a humidity controller. Not the humidifier itself.


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    #27107681 - 12/25/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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They are the same thing. They are ultrasonic humidifiers. Your problem is you are not controlling the humidity with a cycle timer or a humidity controller. Not the humidifier itself.



Yes, I failed to control the humidity and  just let it run. I think the heated humidifiers make larger droplets also which precipitate out of the air faster. At the very least I need a meter to read humidity and shut off the humidity at a certain level, and an exhaust fan for either negative or positive pressure on the tent to circulate  CO2/O2.
So why are people paying hundreds of $$$ for ceramic pond foggers that fail after a year when they could use $20 ultrasonic bed-side humidifiers?


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    #27107827 - 12/25/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm still setting it up at the moment. I have to put a hole in our house to vent properly.

I got the Digiten Humidity Controller from Amazon. Vivosun 4" exhaust fan - Amazon.
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QUESTION: What are the comparisons between a tub with fan and fogger blowing in to the tent versus a cool mist home humidifier such as "Home Medics" etc. and a tube system blowing it into the tent besides the hassle of refilling the home humidifier more often?




What Shroomsisay01 says is accurate. Also, with the fan blowing in the fog through a pipe, there is some fresh air coming in, though not enough to support good fae. So it's just a better volume of fog.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: taku]
    #27107849 - 12/25/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You better wrap the senor in a paint booth filter. Mine has lasted a lot longer with it wrapped. I place my sensor on the intake of my circulation fan so I get the best readings. At least that is where I get my best readings because the air the circulation fan is drawing in has already been mixed by the fan. I would also buy another sensor for your controller. It is better to have one ready to replace it than to have to wait a week and lose your harvest from lack of humidity. The filter helps keep the spores off of the sensor and from my experience the spores are what seems to destroy the sensors.


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    #27107957 - 12/25/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Up to you to break down the FC and reassemble to the size you'd prefer. But with that said, even if you reduce the size of the FC, it's worth investing in a humidity controller, and you'll want to exhaust the air in your FC so you can get a good fresh air exchange.

I have a 3x3x5 FC that I'm setting up with a 3disc fogger, 4" exhaust fan setup to an infinite cycle timer to completely recycle the air in the FC 6 times an hour, a humidity controller that kicks on my fogger when humidity drops below 70% and brings it up to 96% before turning off, and then lights on a 12hr on/12hr off timer.

Makes it easier.




Care to share pics if your setup if you have them, and any details on your humidity controller, fan, etc.? And what types do you grow in your FC?

I am hoping to start growing edibles in the next couple months. I spent a few years way back with the psilocybin kind, but excited to dive into edibles. My plan is shiitake and oyster right now.




No pics yet as I'm still getting things set up. But essentially I do this:
- connect my fogger to my humidity controller which kicks it on when RH drops below 70 and runs it until RH gets to 85%
- connect my led lights to a timer with 12hrs on/12hrs off.
- exhaust my tent using vivosun 4" exhaust fan. I plug it into an infinite cycle timer to run 15 sec every 10 minutes. The 15 seconds is based on the sqft of my FC so would be dependent on your setup.
- tracking down a small circulation fan for inside the FC.

Btw this is all based on conversations I've had with shroomsisay, so I can't take credit for this. 

I'll definitely post some pictures when I get things running.

I plan on growing oysters and LM in my FC.  Shiitake are something I want to grow, but they grow well at lower temps, so not planning to grow alongside my other two. Someone else here can probably explain that better though. I haven't investigated growing shiitake alongside other species.

Here's a drawing of the setup.

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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27107959 - 12/25/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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You better wrap the senor in a paint booth filter. Mine has lasted a lot longer with it wrapped. I place my sensor on the intake of my circulation fan so I get the best readings. At least that is where I get my best readings because the air the circulation fan is drawing in has already been mixed by the fan. I would also buy another sensor for your controller. It is better to have one ready to replace it than to have to wait a week and lose your harvest from lack of humidity. The filter helps keep the spores off of the sensor and from my experience the spores are what seems to destroy the sensors.




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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: taku]
    #27107986 - 12/25/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yea I wrap it around the sensor and use zip ties.

This is what I bought. If you don't wrap it you will be replacing sensors every 3 to 6 months....

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32901676837.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.33064c4dLtjUAA

you get a lot if you get it from where I got mine. I got more than I will ever use. I just  made two while I am using one I wash out the other to be ready for when I need to switch it out again.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: taku]
    #27108073 - 12/25/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for sharing the design. I feel like I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on a set up. After getting my first pretty good fruit from LM a few days ago (just from a bag in a tote on perlite) I have decided I need to keep em coming and want them big and healthy cuz aside from the desirable health benefits it's absolutely delicious! And ya please follow up with pics once you get it going!


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: RamJam]
    #27108430 - 12/26/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

ShroomsIsay1, thanks for all the help for us nubies.
I modified my greenhouse down as small as I could get- 5'X 3.5'X 5'  or about 90 cubic feet. I ordered a humidity controller with probe from Amazon that will keep the humidity at a set percentage. The setup is in my basement where the temperature is a steady 58 degrees F. Depending on the variety, I'm going to have to heat the area sometimes also. I'm Working on an air exchanger with parts I have around the house.


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    #27108511 - 12/26/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Mines in our fieldstone basement, which can be a tad chilly, so I purchased a simple oil heater, the kind that looks like a radiator. 

One thing I've seen mentioned quite a bit is to heat the space that your FC is in, don't heat the FC itself. 

Perhaps more experienced cultivators can attest to that.  I simply run my rad 24/7 at the right settings to maintain ~70F

Can't seem to get it higher, but it works for what I'm growing.

Also @possum, grats on the big modification to the FC. The big steps are always a bit of a project.

And @RamJam, that's awesome. Tbh figuring it all out on paper and ordering the parts was half of the fun. The setting up and building part is fun also, I better get to it :mushroom2:


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    #27108780 - 12/26/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It is best and more pocket friendly to just grow the mushroom suited for your temps. Change the mushrooms you are growing as the temps change.


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    #27108928 - 12/26/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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It is best and more pocket friendly to just grow the mushroom suited for your temps. Change the mushrooms you are growing as the temps change.



I've read several places that both Maitake and Shiitake will fruit in chillier temps, will it effect production or just time-to-maturity? Looks like they will both grow in temps 50-70 degrees F. my basement is 58 degrees


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Possum-Pie]
    #27109350 - 12/26/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I don't see why it would reduce production. They will more than likely just take longer to mature. But to be honest I am not really sure you might wait for someone that has dealt with different temps to give you the answer.

I always just check mycelia.be and follow their guidelines.

from what I just read about 3790 it pins less from 65F and up.


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    #27109638 - 12/26/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Holy b. Bookmarked that gem in a jiffy :beer:


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    #27110193 - 12/27/20 06:26 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't see why it would reduce production. They will more than likely just take longer to mature. But to be honest I am not really sure you might wait for someone that has dealt with different temps to give you the answer.

I always just check mycelia.be and follow their guidelines.

from what I just read about 3790 it pins less from 65F and up.




Thanks for the incredibly helpful link. The information is just what I needed. 
As I mentioned previously, the frustration is in getting wildly different answers from different sources. I tend to be an "evidenced-based" thinker and getting wildly differing answers drives me crazy. I've discovered one clue to the accuracy of a particular technique is that you see a YouTube video on how to grow mushrooms using some technique, the video ends with the guy saying "I'll make Part 2 when they start to grow" and there never is a part 2. Good clue that you maybe don't want to try what he tried. It also seems fast growing mushrooms like Oyster mushrooms are more forgiving of 'experimental' conditions since they grow so fast that temp/humidity/pathogens aren't as big a concern. I probably should have researched Maitake a bit more as they need much longer to fruit with much more chance of problems. I'm hoping the constant temp of the basement and the new humidity controller will help.


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    #27110352 - 12/27/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't see why it would reduce production. They will more than likely just take longer to mature. But to be honest I am not really sure you might wait for someone that has dealt with different temps to give you the answer.

I always just check mycelia.be and follow their guidelines.

from what I just read about 3790 it pins less from 65F and up.




I think you answered the question.  "They will more than likely just take longer to mature".
In production,  time is money. Production is often measured in turns of product through the facility. If it takes 1.5 weeks instead of 1 week ( as an example) you have cut your production and increased cost ( electric, size of fruit chamber, etc.) Just food for thought.


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    #27110595 - 12/27/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So anyone here grow Shiitake? What temps are your fruiting room? Literature says anywhere from 58-62 F (14-16 C) but like most other things, I've seen some people using "room temperature" which is like 70 degrees...


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    #27110665 - 12/27/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

3782 I have fruited from 66°-76°.


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    #27111117 - 12/27/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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3782 I have fruited from 66°-76°.



Thx Quadman, I have 3782 strain.
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    #27111122 - 12/27/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm going to try mine on the windowsill which is mid 60s this time of year.  Probably ready in 3 weeksish


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    #27146426 - 01/13/21 06:35 PM (3 years, 15 days ago)

Update, there's one weird thing coming out the side of this one bag, not sure if it's a fruit or what, but the rest appear to be coming in as I'd expect.  I think it needs some more browning before I crack the bag and begin that part of the process.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: RamJam]
    #27146630 - 01/13/21 09:07 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

Nice job


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: taku]
    #27175570 - 01/29/21 05:04 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Since my last post, I experimented with Shiitake fruiting temps. I made up 3 5lb bags and put 2 in the basement at 58 deg. and 1 in my living room at 68 deg. After 50 days I really can't tell a difference, all are about 75% colonized on the surface, The basement ones perhaps a tiny bit more colonized on top. We have a cold snap here in Pennsylvania now and the basement is more like 56 degrees now. I'm watching these closely b/c my very first batch of Shiitake in bags was a failure. Full colonization on surface, browning begun, but inside of every block was just substrate with no colonization. Threw them all out. I was very OCD this time in getting exact H2O amounts per ShroomsISay01's very detailed instructions.


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    #27175583 - 01/29/21 05:23 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

its likely the RO water was the issue as using distilled ie sensors need salt to detect :wink:. pinch o salt woulda saved 600 bucks, like the space shuttle failing due to o ring...


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    #27178461 - 01/30/21 08:02 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I'm in the same boat a buddy gave me 4 bags of Shitake blocks all cooked and ready to sprout..and I got no experience or know how on producing fruits.. one bag is dam near got pins in the bag..


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Blackrainbow2]
    #27179647 - 01/31/21 04:25 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Hi,
I have problem with fruiting shiitake.
Substrate is 85% beech hardwood sawdust and 15% bran. After 2.5month bags was all brown with pins. One bag start pre-fruit in bags and after move to fruiting room grow only one more. I tried put other bags to frdge for cca 15h 4C and little smack it but not fruting. In fruiting room is temperature around 10C and humidity 85-90%, oyster grow without problem. What I can try? Try different substrate? More warm fruiting room? Wait for more colonize substrate (but start pre-fruiting) ?


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: mach]
    #27179875 - 01/31/21 07:39 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Take them outside and blast them with a hose...



I guess you could do it in a bath tube too. But you need to use a hose with pressure to knock off the surface film.


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    #27180125 - 01/31/21 11:06 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Those look like they need a good soak. Spray often after soak till pins are well established.


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    #27180183 - 02/01/21 01:10 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Blast with hose...yeah that is exactly what my buddy said to do also...


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    #27183691 - 02/02/21 09:13 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Shitake Block Fruiting is in a Tote.. I've got a light from a fish tank.. I mist twice a day..or more if I feel like it... I've got a wet paper towel next to it..for some extra water  it was a gift I did not make the fruiting block.. but its producing so far


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    #27184793 - 02/03/21 04:16 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

better pic


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    #27188662 - 02/05/21 07:26 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

few days



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    #27195720 - 02/09/21 03:01 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Update, since I don't have a martha, I tried fruiting 2 of my blocks next to the front door as it has crappy insulation and is cooler.  Did get some fruits but they were super dry and small and crappy as you can see in the cutting board pics.  Another block I just slapped and left in the bag to retain humidity.  Actual fresh air could have made them better I'm sure, but they were nice big fruits and tasted great! Pictured are fruits from one block.  The other two I slapped and left in the bag so I can get more of the same.  (also doing this in-bag fruiting with lion's mane right now and it is by far the best looking big fruits I've gotten from Lion's mane)



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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: RamJam]
    #27210213 - 02/16/21 10:26 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Here's another block of the shitakes fruited in the bag.  Got lucky with the top fruits on this one! Also here is a pic of duct taping the bag closed again to see about second flush.  I tried getting a second flush off the last block at RH, total fail. 

Note the hydrating morels in the background. Shitakes, morels, bell pepper, and spicy beyond sausage stir fry, fucking excellent!



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