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Shitake Block Fruiting
    #27091409 - 12/15/20 11:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So I just did 5 bags of shitakes that look like they are colonizing well. It's my first time. But (should have thought of this sooner, i know, but this is my new hobby and I got a too much all going on at once) now I'm wondering how to fruit them since I don't have a tent. Will the blocks fruit in normal room humidity? Is there a tek for fruiting in the bag?  Or should I just get a tent...


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: RamJam]
    #27091502 - 12/16/20 02:27 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27091505 - 12/16/20 02:34 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

u r going to need a lot more than that tent but u have like 3 months to get it set up since u r growing shiitake.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27092322 - 12/16/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ok great so I guess fruiting in room humidity is no go for shitake. I figure my lions mane will do better in a tent set up too so i guess it's time to go for it!  I'll start looking up humidity and fans and temp control and all that stuff. thanks!


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: RamJam]
    #27092373 - 12/16/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27094480 - 12/17/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

How about a large tote with holes drilled in all over it and perlite soaked in water over the bottom? I've seen this method be moderately successful


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Possum-Pie]
    #27094525 - 12/17/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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How about a large tote with holes drilled in all over it and perlite soaked in water over the bottom? I've seen this method be moderately successful




Not going to work for shiitake.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27095241 - 12/18/20 04:00 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

My grow room is a Home Depot greenhouse in my basement. It is a metal free-standing frame with a heavy plastic cover that has a zipper door. I put a sheet of plastic down first on the floor, put the greenhouse together on top of it and the roof peak is about 1 foot below my floor joists. I have a humidifier on a timer and plastic shelves inside. It is 8' x 8' x 10'



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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Possum-Pie]
    #27095525 - 12/18/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I dunno, a friend of mine used to fruit shiitake in his crawlspace with no added humidity.  They did fine.  Depending on your RH you might be able to get away with it I think.  Shiitake really don't need as much humidity as some other species.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Forrester]
    #27095780 - 12/18/20 12:21 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Good luck humidifying that with a pond fogger. My room is half that size and I went through two 9 disk foggers in 6 months at $300 each. I have a nice high-pressure system kit for sale. PM me if interested. It is much cheaper than a regular high-pressure system and no cleaning totes like with a pond fogger. It uses a pressure washer. It is the best system on the market right now!!


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27098764 - 12/20/20 05:02 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Good luck humidifying that with a pond fogger. My room is half that size and I went through two 9 disk foggers in 6 months at $300 each. I have a nice high-pressure system kit for sale. PM me if interested. It is much cheaper than a regular high-pressure system and no cleaning totes like with a pond fogger. It uses a pressure washer. It is the best system on the market right now!!



Not sure why you had a problem, the pond foggers are manufactured to fog outdoor ponds much larger square footage than a small grow room. 8x8x12= 768 cubic feet. Not a problem for a medium pond fogger. One thing that WILL burn them out fast is not having them at the recommended depth of H2O. Also, if you use distilled water, the sensors won't detect low water levels with will burn your unit out quickly. I first used a standard bed-side humidifier but I had problems with condensation on roof and floor.  Not good b/c it promotes mold growth. My problem has always been preventing too much humidity in this enclosed tent, not too little. Southwest Mushrooms has a video on Youtube showing his setup. He has grow tents much bigger than mine serviced with a single tote, exhaust fan and fogger units. He unzips the tent and the fog rolls out. His main problem is with hundreds of fruiting blocks/tent the fans gunk up with spores over time and he burns out the fans.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Possum-Pie]
    #27098897 - 12/20/20 07:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That dude is using two twelve disc foggers per tent. He could save much time and money by switching to a high pressure system.

I like pond foggers for being easy to setup and low initial investment but lots of people have had their units burn out.

A high pressure system seems more reliable long term, less maintenance/cleaning and possibly even cheaper depending on the size of the operation.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: deadmandave]
    #27099032 - 12/20/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

150 cubic feet here with a 3 disc fogger, no issues with lack of humidity or longevity..yet!

Granted,it's only been six months since upgrading to this set up,but with weekly cleanings I haven't even changed the discs yet,straight tap water.

I'd be curious how you burnt out 2 foggers in 6 months as well!?


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Harry Manbach]
    #27099692 - 12/20/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yea I am curious also. I used reverse osmosis water so the water was not the problem. I thought I just got a bad one so I bought another an it lasted about the same amount of time. That is why I built one from a pressure washer at half the cost of a pond fogger and I have done nothing not even change the filter in 3 years. I did not expect the pressure washer to last this long but it's still going after 3 years. I will never mess with pond foggers again you have a lot of cleaning instead of plug and play.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27099827 - 12/20/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Damn well understandable after $600 on pond foggers!!
  Gotta take the good with the bad I guess cleaning vs. a pressure washer kicking on all the time ( basement grow is directly under the bedroom).
Your setup definitely intrigues me, perhaps it could be centered in the garage and plumbed into the grow room...perhaps.  But that's an endeavor not only for another day,but a larger grow than the tent I got now!  Goals tho..


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Harry Manbach]
    #27099917 - 12/20/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yea my bed is directly above the pressure washer. So I built a sound deadening box. At first, I had to keep going and checking on it because I thought my pressure washer stopped working.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: deadmandave]
    #27105241 - 12/24/20 04:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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That dude is using two twelve disc foggers per tent. He could save much time and money by switching to a high pressure system.

I like pond foggers for being easy to setup and low initial investment but lots of people have had their units burn out.

A high pressure system seems more reliable long term, less maintenance/cleaning and possibly even cheaper depending on the size of the operation.



I wonder about quality of the foggers being at least part of the issue.  Inexpensive ones made in China may not last as long. SouthWest Mushroom is a commercial operation, I don't know the guy nor how successful his operation is, but he runs through hundreds of blocks/week in that pond fogger setup.
I was excited several weeks ago with my greenhouse-in-the-basement setup, but I've quickly seen that it is far to large. The greenhouse is old so I may  cut some pipes cut some plastic cover, gerri-rig a much smaller setup. It either is far to dry or dripping wet depending on how I humidify it. Being winter here in Pennsylvania isn't helping, my house is like 48% humidity now that the furnace is running. I am not looking for anything big, I'm just growing for home use and maybe drying some, so max capacity of grow room 3-5 5lb bags at a time I tried tote with perlite which works great for oyster or other fast growing, but I currently have a maitake bag in there that is faltering.  They take forever to fruit anyway and this bag has been in there for almost 2 weeks and it just beginning to put out pre-fronds. Harvest will be much less than I should get from this growbag size. I researched the heck out of this new hobby  but never considered the problems with keeping a stable humid and pathogen-free fruiting chamber. I tend to be O.C.D. about researching but somehow I missed the pitfalls of humidity. Luckily all of my Maitake bags are super healthy and the others I haven't opened to fruit yet until I lick this humidity problem.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Possum-Pie]
    #27105409 - 12/24/20 08:26 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Are you using a humidity controller in your FC?


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: taku]
    #27105651 - 12/24/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

About the humidity control, no I have none.  Most of what I read said no sterility during fruiting, and as long as you had a somewhat humid environment you were fine. I've seen people dump wet perlite into a tote and fruit mushrooms. I've seen no attempt at humidification in 5 gal. buckets. I'm confused for sure, and get conflicting data. My tent is a failure, too big too wet with vaporizer too dry with pond foggers. I've got multiple 5lb bags in various stages of growth and will need some reliable fruiting room within the next week or so. I have a maitake block that was stunted in my tent and put it into a tote with perlite 2 days ago so it wouldn't die. I know it isn't perfect, but I have a humidity meter in there and it is running 80%. Problem is Maitake are notoriously slow at fruiting and the risk of contaminants is very high in this makeshift contraption.

Within the world of mycological-as-hobby, mis-information, conflicting information, and truth are muddled together.  I've seen obsessive technique with surgical level sterility throughout the entire process, and I've seen "sloppy joe" without gloves or alcohol dumping spawn into a bucket and slapping on a lid. I've seen success and failure in both. Trying to get accurate information is difficult. Someone just told me that a sterile needle opened from a sterile package needed flame sterilized. I'm a medical professional working with needles all of the time. I open needles and insert them into patients veins, and I open scalpels and cut into people. These are the most sterile items you can buy and it's erroneous to tell people they must flame sterilize these items. So yes misinformation frustrates me.  I think I'm going to get a hacksaw, shears, and re design this large greenhouse into something 6X3X3 to try to control humidity better. 54 cubic feet should be easier to control than that tent.


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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Possum-Pie]
    #27105878 - 12/24/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, so you say you have grown oysters in a shotgun fruiting chamber and they grew great. Oysters do not grow great in SGFC's. Will they grow? Yes, they will grow but far from great. Oysters should have a short stipe. I get stipes that are about an 1".

That should help you understand what you are looking for when growing oysters.

What size is the tent you are using now?

How many disks is the fogger you are using?

How are you getting your intake air?

How are you running your exhaust air?

How are you controlling your humidity? (Timer or Humidity controller?)

We can get this working for you but If you need it in a week you are going to have to get going. You still may not make it in a week but we will give it a shot.


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