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Tasmanian Poppy Cultivar Question
#27091297 - 12/15/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've had a bag of Tasmanian poppy seed sitting around for the better part of a year. After seeing some poppies growing in some of the cottage gardens around the neighborhood, I figured I'll throw my seeds into the higglety pigglety of my own garden and folks would be none-the-wiser.
Then I got to reading and a came across an article, which in a poppy pod describes that plants in Tasmania have been genetically engineered to eliminate their morphine content.
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in 1994, a Tasmanian Alkaloids researcher named Tony Fist dipped thousands of poppy seeds into a chemical solution and discovered a mutant poppy plant he called the "Norman" (a play on "no morphine"). "It was a bit of luck, really," Fist says. The mutant poppy produced thebaine instead of morphine https://psmag.com/ideas/opioids-limiting-the-legal-supply-wont-stop-the-overdose-crisis
So can anyone share their experience using poppy material marketed as "Tasmanian"?
They seem to have white petals with a bit of pink in the centre, if you're wondering which ones you're growing. Apparently a lot of the supermarket poppy seed originates from Tasmania.
Secondly, on that note, has anyone been able to make any correlation between the colour of the petals and quality of the material?
Maybe someone can attest that red ones are better than blue ones. I'm already thinking which variety to plant in contingency. It does seem like most of the plants used in production have pale petals.
Thanks
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Re: Tasmanian Poppy Cultivar Question [Re: thud thud]
#27091578 - 12/16/20 05:12 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think that they sell the Norman Poppies to the public. If they do, I have never once encountered them. I have also grown every kind of poppy imaginable, from the spice isle at the super market, to eBay!
They all end up being the typical Tasmanian,and all always have the goods 
Super market Poppies 
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Re: Tasmanian Poppy Cultivar Question [Re: Allium]
#27104879 - 12/23/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fantastic! Thanks for you help Allium.
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Re: Tasmanian Poppy Cultivar Question [Re: thud thud]
#27104954 - 12/23/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I Can def tell you that White Elka, that I got at least were not very active. Those come from Slavakia which is where the Norman trait was bread i thought? Hungarian were not very good either. I do not think that the thebaine only variety actually still exists. Your tas are probably fine. I’ve found like most other things (cannabis, mushrooms) GEnetics is the biggest factor. Also for poppy the environment. Pray for rain in veg and pray for not to much rain at harvest haha.
Out of the 40 or so Elka I had, like 5 had a half decent amount of sap but it took about 20 pods I n a tea to medicate me up. Find your producers and save the seed. I just have Organic poppy seeds for food to use this year. Much of the time they are the same seeds as the ones used for opium production. I have found studies that show the Danish flag with not much morphine and others that show it has high morphine. I found one study where the gorgeous Queens Poppy contained the most maybe I can find that one again...
!! Yay here https://kirj.ee/public/proceedings_pdf/2017/issue_1/proc-2017-1-34-39.pdf Tas isn’t on that one but it’s a nice chart in there!
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Re: Tasmanian Poppy Cultivar Question [Re: thud thud]
#27105259 - 12/24/20 05:32 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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thud thud said: Fantastic! Thanks for you help Allium.
I will say that some of my plants were on the weaker side this season, but as of yet supermarket poopies have yet to let me down. Their potency always varies from moderate to really strong, depending on the brand.
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Re: Tasmanian Poppy Cultivar Question [Re: Allium]
#27105668 - 12/24/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Allium.... I have to beg to differ. There is a gulf.of difference between strains..
IME Tas , Turkish and Peshwar were hands down quality strains to grow... Very potent.
I have grown McKormics and they were next to BUNK.
Lavender petals with pink.latex. garbage.
Stay away from the gigs... Waf...
I have never grown , but..... Hear good things about pink flowers. OP Hit me up if you need advice.
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Re: Tasmanian Poppy Cultivar Question [Re: Urb]
#27106089 - 12/24/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I mean there is a lot of difference between the strains of course, but the supermarket ones have never let me down is what I was trying to convey
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Re: Tasmanian Poppy Cultivar Question [Re: Allium]
#27106205 - 12/24/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Allium said: I mean there is a lot of difference between the strains of course, but the supermarket ones have never let me down is what I was trying to convey 
The ones I grew were shit... But I don't see it outside the realm of possibility that they source their seeds from different vendors.
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Re: Tasmanian Poppy Cultivar Question [Re: Urb]
#27106870 - 12/25/20 03:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, I haven't done the McCormick's in several seasons, so I reckon that they may have changed sources but I did some generic seeds from a cheap grocery that we have here called Save A Lot, and they turned out pretty swell
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Re: Tasmanian Poppy Cultivar Question [Re: Allium]
#27106991 - 12/25/20 07:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Theres a sav a lot around here. Such a dirty store.
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Re: Tasmanian Poppy Cultivar Question [Re: Urb]
#27107048 - 12/25/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know, It's nasty here too! I only went to see about some poppy seeds
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Re: Tasmanian Poppy Cultivar Question [Re: Allium]
#27107127 - 12/25/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Go onto world seed supply here and get you some seeds. They are US based and even though their payment system seams janky, I've had great experiences with them. I've even mailed cash and been just fine. Highly recommend their services for poppy and other seeds.
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Re: Tasmanian Poppy Cultivar Question [Re: RaRaRasputin]
#27107155 - 12/25/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also I would take that chart with a few grains of salt, I've read material stating otherwise on those species being much higher like giagantium having .5x to 1x more the stated amounts of morphine by weight. Also climate and weather have slot of factors in growing. Even fertilizer makes a difference in my opinion. The fields I prep with chicken shit slurries seam do do better in plant hight and the raw resin extracts seam to be more potent. Though that's just my anecdotal 2 cents.
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Re: Tasmanian Poppy Cultivar Question [Re: RaRaRasputin]
#27117149 - 12/30/20 09:40 PM (3 years, 29 days ago) |
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That was my point exactly. That is a legit study where they found some of the most potent species, in community opinion, to be less potent. But if you read the study you’ll see that climate def had an effect. My harvest where I live sucked in many ways this summer, zucchini was terrible, poppies even worse. It was too dry for the poppies! Not saying where I am but I will say we usually get more than enough rain.
This is my first season trying just organic bread seed from the grocery. If the weather is the same I bet the most choice bred danish flag, or Tas wouldn’t produce a pin of latex! Which is why I’m not spending big on my seeds this year.
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