|
verum subsequentis
seeker of truth



Registered: 03/22/16
Posts: 8,732
Last seen: 1 year, 8 months
|
Re: Throw your jars away! [Re: TedsDead]
#27090952 - 12/15/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Interesting. I had heard that from some others so did some tests and was never able to kill the myc from stirring. I've done various tests with how much to stir and have decided I don't really care. Now I just throw some myc in and let it start to grow for a few days. Then throw her on the stirrer and leave her there. Unless I have more LCs than stirrers. Then i switch them out whenever I remember to.
|
mind.at.large
Myconerd


Registered: 12/13/16
Posts: 1,218
Loc: Floating in liquid gardens
|
|
Great LC tips y'all! I'll have to take another shot with LC soon
Also, the bags seems to be colonizing nicely and most of them were ready for a shake today. I didn't get any pics of the bags (I'm so bad at taking pics) but I did take some pics of how I cram 13 bags into my Presto 23
   
I basically took Teds method of cramming bags into the All American 75x, but with the Presto. Oh, and these are 2 lb bags, so half as much as Ted is doing. I'm thinking I might be able to fit a few more in there, maybe sticking to another 5 on the top layer instead of 3 but I haven't tried it yet
-------------------- Mind's Easy Bag 2 Bag Grain Transfers Endless Sub Tek ...the doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me...
|
lookintolearn
Stranger becoming Strangest



Registered: 06/02/20
Posts: 574
Loc: Up in the Cut
Last seen: 2 months, 6 days
|
|
How many bags per tub do you use (based on typical 66qt mono) at 2lbs per bag? Two per tub I would guess? I have some bags I want to try out but they are the 5-7 lbs bags so i'd probably at least want to put 4lbs of grain in each one. I do like the idea of the 2lb bags simply for quicker full colonization. I think the move to bags is something I want to work on here soon simply because I hate making 10 jars for only two tubs.
-------------------- Don't be afraid of feeling the feelings Lookin to LAGM 2021    Looking to start growing? Read through Bod's Introduction to Everything Looking to start agar? Start with Alien's Holy Grail Looking to perfect your transfers? Start with D3monic's Perfect Transfers Looking for easiest prep to Coir ever? Eat's UNBUCKET Tek Looking to start LC? Try LI first! Munch's super easy Blenderless LI
|
mind.at.large
Myconerd


Registered: 12/13/16
Posts: 1,218
Loc: Floating in liquid gardens
|
|
I use 4 lb bags for my monotubs, so I would use two of these if I wanted to use them directly in a tub, but my plan is to g2g one of these 2 lb bags to 10 or so 4 lb bags, which then each get their own tub.
I am planning on buying smaller bags specifically for this tek as I do feel that I'm wasting a lot of room in these bags, which can easily fit 5 or more lbs of grains each, but I have so many of these bigger bags, I don't mind trying this out and seeing how it works.
Definitely make the move to bags. It's crazy how much grain you can prep when using bags compared to jars. On my grain prep days, I go through a bag and a half of WBS (60 lbs!) I run 13 - 4 lb bags in an AA 75x and 13 - 2 lb bags in the Presto 23, all in a half days work (depending on how fast/motivated I work)
-------------------- Mind's Easy Bag 2 Bag Grain Transfers Endless Sub Tek ...the doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me...
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
|
yee! Im glad that pc cramming method is working for ya
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
mind.at.large
Myconerd


Registered: 12/13/16
Posts: 1,218
Loc: Floating in liquid gardens
|
Re: Throw your jars away! [Re: TedsDead]
#27091368 - 12/15/20 11:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Oh it's working wonderfully
Thanks Ted! You friggin rock
-------------------- Mind's Easy Bag 2 Bag Grain Transfers Endless Sub Tek ...the doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me...
|
tedoro
ToadStool Tender



Registered: 02/06/15
Posts: 2,209
Last seen: 56 minutes, 36 seconds
|
|
Quote:
mind.at.large said: Great LC tips y'all! I'll have to take another shot with LC soon
Also, the bags seems to be colonizing nicely and most of them were ready for a shake today. I didn't get any pics of the bags (I'm so bad at taking pics) but I did take some pics of how I cram 13 bags into my Presto 23
   
I basically took Teds method of cramming bags into the All American 75x, but with the Presto. Oh, and these are 2 lb bags, so half as much as Ted is doing. I'm thinking I might be able to fit a few more in there, maybe sticking to another 5 on the top layer instead of 3 but I haven't tried it yet
Whats especially good about these 2lb bags is that they don't create large voids that 4lb bags do. I have made spacers for the voids, but this is simpler.
-------------------- -------------------- Deep pour soft agar plates-->bags of WBS-->Low Profile Monos Clean spawn thread | Put a thermometer on your PC
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
Re: Throw your jars away! [Re: tedoro]
#27091430 - 12/16/20 12:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I bet u could fit 5 ontop instead of 3 for sure!
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
mind.at.large
Myconerd


Registered: 12/13/16
Posts: 1,218
Loc: Floating in liquid gardens
|
Re: Throw your jars away! [Re: TedsDead]
#27091896 - 12/16/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
TedsDead said: I bet u could fit 5 ontop instead of 3 for sure!
Oh yeah I could!! But 13 equals exactly half a bag of bird seed! So I would have to do extra math and we all hate extra math, right?? Haha I’ll try and get creative next time and see just how much can get crammed in here!
Also, Ted, I think I remember reading in your PC cramming tek that you got like 25 - 4 lb bags, out of a 50 lb bag of grains. You use rye right? That’s quite the impressive water intake that puts my bird seed to shame.... I’ll have to start looking into rye soon!
-------------------- Mind's Easy Bag 2 Bag Grain Transfers Endless Sub Tek ...the doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me...
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
|
20-22 bags. Lately tho ive been doing 20 and if theres extra ill just fill all the bags a little more.
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
mind.at.large
Myconerd


Registered: 12/13/16
Posts: 1,218
Loc: Floating in liquid gardens
|
Re: Throw your jars away! [Re: TedsDead]
#27092037 - 12/16/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Ahh ok, but still, that’s a better absorption rate than the bird seed I’ve been using. I’ll have to get a bag of rye next time I see it
-------------------- Mind's Easy Bag 2 Bag Grain Transfers Endless Sub Tek ...the doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me...
|
lookintolearn
Stranger becoming Strangest



Registered: 06/02/20
Posts: 574
Loc: Up in the Cut
Last seen: 2 months, 6 days
|
|
You are convincing me to make the move! It would definitely be a nice improvement to get almost all my grain prep done in half a day even with one PC. I'm trying to make the move to more tubs which would be much easier to do with something like this.
One more question, do you prep the bags with grain and the correct amount of water? Or do you simmer/soak/ect and then load up your bags? My only problem I would have with prep before loading is the ability to dry them a little before bagging.
Currently draining the water out of 10 jars worth is easy with a strainer or two but with that amount of grain I'd have to configure a big screen which I don't have much room for.
-------------------- Don't be afraid of feeling the feelings Lookin to LAGM 2021    Looking to start growing? Read through Bod's Introduction to Everything Looking to start agar? Start with Alien's Holy Grail Looking to perfect your transfers? Start with D3monic's Perfect Transfers Looking for easiest prep to Coir ever? Eat's UNBUCKET Tek Looking to start LC? Try LI first! Munch's super easy Blenderless LI
|
mind.at.large
Myconerd


Registered: 12/13/16
Posts: 1,218
Loc: Floating in liquid gardens
|
|
I've been able to make no prep WBS jars work well, but have not had as much luck with bags. I mean, I have had bags that we're no prepped that did great, but usually if I do a whole cycle of no prep bags, most of them are fucked. I would love to have no prep work great, so maybe I'll play around with the idea a little more and see what I can come up with.
However, the way I prep my bird seed is pretty easy I think. I'll be cooking some more tomorrow, so I'll try to remember to take pictures and do a write up on it, but essentially I boil water, dump in seed, turn off heat, let sit for an hour, then pour on a mesh strainer thing that I built. After 30 minutes of steaming I load them up.
I just realized you said you don't really have a place to dry. What I used to do before I was prepping 60 lbs at a time, was to prep the same way, then scoop out the grains with a strainer, and dump on a towel draped across my kitchen table. After about 30 min, it was good to go! Or maybe use your bathtub for draining haha
-------------------- Mind's Easy Bag 2 Bag Grain Transfers Endless Sub Tek ...the doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me...
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
|
when I did wbs I would dump a 20# bag in a 5 gal bucket the night before I wanted to use them. fill with warm or cold water and let sit over night. dump the bucket into the sink the next day and let them drain until they're wet but not dripping and load em up. I would stir them a couple times to make sure all the water drained off.
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
mind.at.large
Myconerd


Registered: 12/13/16
Posts: 1,218
Loc: Floating in liquid gardens
|
Re: Throw your jars away! [Re: TedsDead]
#27092325 - 12/16/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I've been thinking of prepping that way, cause it seems so easy and now that the rain is here, draining/drying can be a bitch and a half!
-------------------- Mind's Easy Bag 2 Bag Grain Transfers Endless Sub Tek ...the doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me...
|
tedoro
ToadStool Tender



Registered: 02/06/15
Posts: 2,209
Last seen: 56 minutes, 36 seconds
|
|
Quote:
mind.at.large said: I've been thinking of prepping that way, cause it seems so easy and now that the rain is here, draining/drying can be a bitch and a half!
I hope to soon share my lifes work of no prep wheat berries. Its been a long adventure finding what works. Finally having great success with pre-sealing bags of dry berries and measured boiling water. I then put that into the PC and keep the bags at 190f for 3 1/2 hours. At that point, all of the water has be absorbed, and 190f doesn't destroy the berries. I Bring it up to pressure for 90 minutes and let cool slowly. The cooling slowly is key. It lets any remaining wetness get reabsorbed in the warmth of the cool down. Bags are perfect. And you can control the moisture content exactly... to the half percentage point.
Can't wait to try other grains... though I really like wheat.
-------------------- -------------------- Deep pour soft agar plates-->bags of WBS-->Low Profile Monos Clean spawn thread | Put a thermometer on your PC
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
Re: Throw your jars away! [Re: tedoro]
#27092446 - 12/16/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
seems like the extra time spent at 190F could be used to just boil and dry the grains. if you spread them out when theyre hot and steaming they dry really fast
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
tedoro
ToadStool Tender



Registered: 02/06/15
Posts: 2,209
Last seen: 56 minutes, 36 seconds
|
Re: Throw your jars away! [Re: TedsDead]
#27092469 - 12/16/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
TedsDead said: seems like the extra time spent at 190F could be used to just boil and dry the grains. if you spread them out when theyre hot and steaming they dry really fast
Its not actually much longer.... but way easier. But most important, one can do the exact water content you desire, every time.
The old boil and dry way takes forever in my opinion. 45 minutes on the stovetop to boil wheat. The another hour at least to get it out on screens. Then clumsily loading the grains into bags. It takes me about 45 minutes to bleed and bring the PC to temp.
All avoided. My way might actually be faster. But definitely more accurate. And I can't have stinky wheat berries steaming themselves in my situation.
-------------------- -------------------- Deep pour soft agar plates-->bags of WBS-->Low Profile Monos Clean spawn thread | Put a thermometer on your PC
|
TedsDead



Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 4,998
|
Re: Throw your jars away! [Re: tedoro]
#27092489 - 12/16/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
turn your PC on before you start filling bags. saves some time with either method
-------------------- weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed... -the fabulous furry freak bros If you can buy it, you can burn it!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25947396#25947396
|
mind.at.large
Myconerd


Registered: 12/13/16
Posts: 1,218
Loc: Floating in liquid gardens
|
Re: Throw your jars away! [Re: TedsDead]
#27092525 - 12/16/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
TedsDead said: turn your PC on before you start filling bags. saves some time with either method
This works great! But be careful how early you turn it on, I burned my hand pretty good a couple weeks ago trying to load bags into a very hot PC...
-------------------- Mind's Easy Bag 2 Bag Grain Transfers Endless Sub Tek ...the doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me...
|
|