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Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong??
    #27090926 - 12/15/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hey guys and gals,

I'm on my second batch of BRF cakes. The first one got contaminated early in inoculation stage. 

This batch (2nd) is going well...I think.  It's been 5 days and no pinning.

- The 1/2 pint jars were fully colonized and then I let sit for another week before "birthing" and   
    the dunk and roll process. 
-  Had hard time getting vermiculite to stick, but I think it was good enough based on pics I've
    seen. (see pics for ref.)

-  misting 3-6 times a day directly on cakes and surrounding perlite. (fanning each time)
  - knocked a lot of the Vermiculite off in the process (see pics) is this a problem??


-  monitoring temp and humidity. (see pic to show range and average)

- LED light capable of 6500k on for 12 hours (see pic for specs) Also getting indirect sunlight
  during the day (what we have of it). I'm in North Alabama.


I really appreciate any help/encouragement/assurance/cold hard truth anyone can offer.  Btw, I bought and I am following RogerRabbit's "let's grow mushrooms" video guide.


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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: Shaneb423] * 1
    #27090960 - 12/15/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Just mist regularly and be patient :thumbup:

For your next jars instead of fruiting them as cakes do this:
-birth cakes as normal
-submerge cakes in water as normal
-THEN pasteurize some coir using damion 5050's bucket tek.
-now take your cakes and crumble them
-mix crumbled cakes with coir(you will have to look up the ratio) and put into a plastic shoebox.
-put a thin layer of coir on top
-lightly mist it
-put lid on and dont do another thing until you get (if they get too tall just take another empty shoebox and flip it upside down and put over the one growing to make a little terrarium type environment.)


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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #27090980 - 12/15/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

thanks for the input!  When you say pasteurize, I'm guessing you are referring to sterilizing the coir in a pressure cooker??  As for this grow, is there anything I need to do to help/correct anything or is everything on track, just a little slow?


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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: Shaneb423] * 2
    #27090983 - 12/15/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

trim foil closer to cake

see if thos inspires something


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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: Groo] * 1
    #27090992 - 12/15/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Do you have 6 inches pearlite is scfc elevated ?


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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: Groo]
    #27091005 - 12/15/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

yes, I have 6 inches of perlite and it's elevated on 4 half pint jars


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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: Shaneb423]
    #27091767 - 12/16/20 08:41 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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thanks for the input!  When you say pasteurize, I'm guessing you are referring to sterilizing the coir in a pressure cooker??  As for this grow, is there anything I need to do to help/correct anything or is everything on track, just a little slow?



:no: by pasteurize I mean pasteurize :lol:

Look up damion5050 bucket tek. That's how to do it :thumbup:


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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #27091845 - 12/16/20 09:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

will do, thanks for the advice!


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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: Shaneb423]
    #27091881 - 12/16/20 10:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, nothing this morning either :/

It's been 5.5 days so far.  Maybe I'm prematurely stressing out, but most things I've seen say 3-4 days and you should see pinning.

Read another post where it took a long time and they had to soak there's again and then they started fruiting.  At what point should I try that (if I even should) and if I do, should I rewet my perlite? I'm worried about the perlite drying out before fruiting process is done...if it ever is done. 

I'm wondering if my problem might be the light I'm using...

I just really want this to work this time!  I was so excited to see all my jars fully colonized, the birthing process, dunk and roll, and then having them set up nicely in my SGFC.  I thought YES I've done it this time!  Now I'm worried I may have to start from scratch again.


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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: Shaneb423]
    #27092226 - 12/16/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Its called genetics. Just be patient and keep misting and fanning as normal :ancientaliens:


Edit: dont mist directly on cakes :kingcrankey: mist pointing the bottle UP and letting it fall down gently like a soft spring mist :notsureif:  (if water pools on the cakes it will promote bacterial growth)


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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #27092739 - 12/16/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the advice and the reassurance.  I just REALLY want this to work this time.  I think I’ll try the method you suggested next time...seems much easier


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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: Shaneb423]
    #27092762 - 12/16/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

5 days is no where near to be something to be concerned about, smoke a bowl or whatever you jankies like to do over there

This hobby is bout to teach ya some patient's
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Bullshit aside, they look wet to me, you should cut down on the misting.


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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: Shaneb423]
    #27092791 - 12/16/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Shaneb423 said:
Thanks for the advice and the reassurance.  I just REALLY want this to work this time.  I think I’ll try the method you suggested next time...seems much easier



No problem man, just be patient :highfive1:



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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #27094377 - 12/17/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

As I sit patiently staring at my cakes waiting for the to fruit, I thought of one more question.  At what point should I or will I need to re-wet the perlite?  I know it’s getting overspray from the misting, but is that enough?  I moved the terrarium to a different location today and I noticed it’s feeling lighter.  I’m guessing as long as the humidity is staying where it needs to be, then I’m probably good???


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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: Shaneb423]
    #27094543 - 12/17/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Never if you switch to shoeboxes :ancientaliens:

Edit: just keep misting and fanning. [(Back when I did pf tek I usually only misted and fanned about 3 times a day. But every environment is different. So if it's too wet cut back on misting and fan a bit longer. like RR always said it's better to be more on the dry side than wet)Evaporation off of the cake is one of the main pinning triggers.


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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #27097887 - 12/19/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

ok...8.5 days in and no pinning and now blueing on the cakes.  I cut back misting from 4-6 times a day to 3 times.  keeping a good 89-94ish humidity.  drops down when the HVAC turns on and pulls air through the house.  I figure that's a good thing though...FAE.  it drops the humidity to low-mid 80s and when it turns off, it climbs right back in a few min.  I figure its kind of like auto fanning. Anyway, what do you think the blue on the cakes might be and should I do anything?

As always, thanks for the all the advice on here.  I'd be lost without you guys and gals.


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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: Shaneb423]
    #27098038 - 12/19/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It can upwards of 2 weeks to see knots/pins (depending on when you birthed them).. if your cakes are drying out, you can put a little pile of verm on top of the cakes 1/2-3/4” and soak the pile.. the cakes will absorb the water via gravity.. that’ll save you from disrupting the rest of the cake by doing a dunk

Next time you do cakes and keep them intact, wait til you see knots on the cakes before you birth/dunk them... that’ll speed fruiting up and reduce drying before you see pins

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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: fahtster] * 1
    #27103775 - 12/23/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

:laugh:
They seem to be coming predominantly from the bottom and on the top where I added the extra layer of Verm as suggested.  wondering if the cakes were too dry???  oh well! I've got babies!  super excited!  Now, I have to review/ask for advice on getting a good spore print for future grows.  planning on 24hr print using SAB and tin foil. Do I need to sterilize the tin foil?  Also, any tips for drying would be appreciated.

Thanks again for all the advice and encouragement!



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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: Shaneb423]
    #27104664 - 12/23/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Congratz on your cakes! Next get agar ready. (look for no pour plates). Wait until the fruit bodies are mature.Then harvest, after that break the stipes in half (along the fibers) with your fingers, all in a sterile workplace (SAB, flowhood, etc.), carefully not touching the inside. Then use a scalpel or syringe + needle to scrape some inner tissue (I prefer syringe + needle). Place the scraped stuff on agar, clean up if necessary, wait until the plate is nearly fully colonized (avoid having the myc touch the sides, there can be bactiera. Then make BLI (blenderness liquid inoculant). After that prepare some grain, inoculate the jars (preferably at least pint sized ones) and grow out all your clones (for great examples look up the shoe box tek, Bodhi's unmodded tubs or Mudafuka's bottle tek). :grin:

Printing is easy too, cut some aluminum foil into the right size, fold it back open, put it in a small glass jar or PP deli cup (like here, (I use the 4 oz ones for spore prints, and the 32 oz ones for Muda bottles or spawn), put lid on, sterilize for 30 min @ 15 PSI. Then take your sterile jars with foil in into your SAB. Cut off a cap, open the container, put it in there. Then wait a few hours, (some spores should have dropped by now, along with mold/bacteria). Then take another container with foil in. Put the cap in there, this will be your final print, and let it drop all it's load (maybe leave it over night in the jar/deli cup). Then remove the cap, fold the print together and put it in a Ziploc bag, don't forget to write onto the foil variety ("strain") and date printed.

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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: Shaneb423]
    #27104873 - 12/23/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Nice work :thumbup:

I find adding extra perlite (fill that tub up half-way) helps with keeping the humidity up, especially in the winter.


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    #27104950 - 12/23/20 09:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Man! Thanks for all the info.  I think I’m going to stick with spore prints this time.  May get into agar and liquid cultures next time.  And just to be sure I understand you clearly, you let the spores drop for a few hours before you start collecting them for future use?


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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: Shaneb423]
    #27110767 - 12/27/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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:laugh:
They seem to be coming predominantly from the bottom and on the top where I added the extra layer of Verm as suggested.  wondering if the cakes were too dry???  oh well! I've got babies!  super excited!  Now, I have to review/ask for advice on getting a good spore print for future grows.  planning on 24hr print using SAB and tin foil. Do I need to sterilize the tin foil?  Also, any tips for drying would be appreciated.

Thanks again for all the advice and encouragement!





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Told ya! Good job! :highfive1: :shroomeryhead:

Edit: get a food dehydrator from walmart and dry them full blast. The temp will NOT destroy the psilocybin. After they are cracker dry store them in an airtight jar like an unused canning jar.


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Re: Fruiting stage - 5 days no pinning - something wrong?? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #27111012 - 12/27/20 04:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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