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New guy. Trouble navigating
    #27090348 - 12/15/20 01:26 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

Hello fellow trippers. New to this forum. Like minutes ago. Very overwhelming. Too much info! Is anyone from Connecticut?


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27090458 - 12/15/20 02:39 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

I'm not from Connecticut but here's a good place to start. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24420178


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27090490 - 12/15/20 03:02 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

Welcome Ernie :elmo:


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ch0ppie]
    #27090492 - 12/15/20 03:04 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)



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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: Big_Dub]
    #27090560 - 12/15/20 03:37 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

Welcome, and :whathesaid:
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: GrinchGrower]
    #27090597 - 12/15/20 04:00 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

Thank you everyone. After reading the getting started info someone sent me I’m feeling a bit stupid or at least very very slow. This is not easy to do. It would help if there were some illustrations. I guess I’m more of a hands on guy. I’m fucking lost! 😢 I’m pretty bummed out and overwhelmed more now then before I joined 😣


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ch0ppie]
    #27090600 - 12/15/20 04:02 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

Thanx, I guess I’m slow cuz after reading all that I’m fricking lost 😞


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27090607 - 12/15/20 04:07 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

Whats an FAE fan?
Shit I can’t even tell if I’m responding to the right person the way this page is set up


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27090621 - 12/15/20 04:19 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

lol just read it again. take your time and read each page slowly. it teaches you everything

what spawn to use, ideal conditions for fruting, how to use the search engine

theres even a flow chart.

basically, anytime you ask a question, the answer is going to be in that list


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27090630 - 12/15/20 04:23 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

You can reply to certain ppl by pushing the “reply” button in their post.. by edit, reply, quote bars

What tools do you have and what do you plan on doing?  Do you have a pressure cooker, jars, spore syringe?  You just want a small amount to learn the process?  Where are you at right now?

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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: fahtster]
    #27090740 - 12/15/20 05:25 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

Hey there and thanks for the reply, I don’t have anything yet. I’m at the very beginning. I signed up on here to get info and figure out what is was that I needed to get. I’m home and in CT. Why do you ask? 
Nice of you to reach out.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27090751 - 12/15/20 05:31 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

I would love it if I had a video to watch. I don’t have a pressure cooker and I’d like to produce at least a shoebox size or double to start with. Is love a grocery list in layman’s terms minus the abbreviations. Some of the abbreviations I had no clue what they meant. It took me an hour to figure out EAF meant easy as fuck! Lol. I’m 53 and fries and brain cells along the journey. So I’m a little slow. But far from stupid. I was three months shy of getting my RN. So biology and science is right up my alley it’s just reading the directions is where I get lost


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27090752 - 12/15/20 05:31 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

Sorry.. not where you are physically lol.. that was my bad.. no one really wants to know that.. we like to stay pretty anonymous here.. I meant where you are as far as the supplies you have and knowledge etc.

Do you plan on getting a pressure cooker?  You can grow pf cakes without one by steaming 1/2 pint jars.. check out this link https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542/fpart/1/vc/1

Faht

Edit: gotcha..  on the pressure cooker

Also, try not to double and triple post.. just edit your one post and give it some time for ppl to answer your questions.. just letting ya know before you do those things.. pretty common for new ppl to the site

Oops wrong link.. kinda.. try this one https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341#19140341


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: fahtster]
    #27090765 - 12/15/20 05:49 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

It's a lot like cooking or gardening to me...

If you can read a recipe and ingredients list, then following a standard TEK will help you learn the process.

There are a ton of videos and stuff on YouTube or Vimeo, but the in-depth explanations and feedback you can find through the search engine here is invaluable.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: GrinchGrower]
    #27090767 - 12/15/20 05:52 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

Thanx Faht


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: fahtster]
    #27090770 - 12/15/20 05:53 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

Thanx man


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27090814 - 12/15/20 06:20 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

I would love it if you could email me a grocery list of precisely what I need without acronyms or abbreviations to make a double shoebox size maybe like a clear tote size grow box-and I could start from there. Please and thank you


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: fahtster]
    #27090819 - 12/15/20 06:21 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

I would really love it and appreciate it if you could email me a grocery list of precisely what I need and how much I need without acronyms and initials to make like a tote size like a double shoebox size grow box. Like EVERYTHING!


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27090828 - 12/15/20 06:27 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

Quote:

Also, try not to double and triple post.. just edit your one post




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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27090844 - 12/15/20 06:36 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

OP (Original Poster) this place can feel like a maze.  Check out the Stickys that are located at the top of each forum they have a ton of links that are helpful as well as Forum specific guidelines.  Also as far as terms:

http://www.shroomery.org/glossary.php
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https://www.shroomery.org/13894/Glossary-and-Lexicon-of-The-Online-Mushroom-Communitys-OMC-terms


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: IdiotCircusBoy]
    #27091153 - 12/15/20 10:38 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

Thanx so much! You hit the nail on the head. It is like a maze!


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27091171 - 12/15/20 10:50 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

By George I think I’ve got it! After ours an hours and hours… Like 12 hours of reading, talking in forums, looking at pictures watching videos etc. etc. I think I’m ready to buy the stuff I need and make a stab at it. Thanx for the input. I’m sure I’ll have lots more questions once I get started! LOL. Is the navigating of the site is what fucked me up


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27091203 - 12/15/20 11:09 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

nice man!!
basically anything you could ever ask has already been asked hundreds of times. so anytime you have a question, try reading instead. it is CRAZY how much info is here :cheers:


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: Big_Dub]
    #27104467 - 12/23/20 06:18 PM (1 month, 2 days ago)

@ big dub or whoever would like to answer. I have been taking everybody’s advice and searching for my answers before asking. However I am trying to find some information on the difference between inoculating with mycelium syringe as opposed to inoculated with the spore syringes. If I can buy liquid my psyllium in a syringe would it be easier to inoculate the grain with that as opposed to inoculated with the spores? I’m guessing it would be faster. If that’s the case then why would everybody sell or syringes and not mycelium syringes? Thank you


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27104504 - 12/23/20 06:41 PM (1 month, 2 days ago)

Spores are legal, myc is not. The liquid myc you are referring to, is made by individual cultivators. Only liquid cultures available, in the US are for gourmet's, non active.


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    #27104505 - 12/23/20 06:41 PM (1 month, 2 days ago)

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why would everybody sell or syringes and not mycelium syringes



I think this is a legality issue.  The sponsors on this site sell spore syringes or spore prints for microscopy study.  I think you are referring to LC or Liquid Culture.  I buy LC syringes for gourmet mushrooms like Reishi or Lion's Mane.  These syringes contain mycelium.  Once you have grown out mycelium on agar from spores then you can use that to create a Liquid Culture, and then use that culture to inoculate.  Making and using LC is typically considered more advanced.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: Tstone]
    #27104512 - 12/23/20 06:42 PM (1 month, 2 days ago)

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Spores are legal, myc is not. The liquid myc you are referring to, is made by individual cultivators. Only liquid cultures available, in the US are for gourmet's, non active.



You beat my post by one second and were much more concise. :congrats:


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    #27104535 - 12/23/20 06:57 PM (1 month, 2 days ago)

Lol, however I'll correct myself, majority of the US, spores are legal, a few states have deemed them illegal, think Idaho, Cali, 1-2 other states.

Pick a tek ( technique) and stick with it.   

#1 consideration is your situation. Example,can you pressure cook in the house? If not, PF tek
#2- if you don't have patience, don't even bother, and if your looking for something  in a few weeks, forget it.

#3  Are you position to invest a little cash into the hobby, $100-200)or are you looking for change in the couch

#4 Stay away from YouTube and Reddit, mostly crappy info.

#5, plan on reading a lot, I mean a lot.. No one here is going to teleconference with you.  You will learn by mistakes.

#6, don't buy a freaking thing, until you have a tek in mind


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: Tstone]
    #27105770 - 12/24/20 02:39 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

:whathesaid:

you can make your own mycelium syringes, called LC (liquid culture) or LI (liquid inoculate), but I would never recommend this to a beginner, bc most likely you will fail.

you definitely want to go spores to agar. transfer a bunch of times. then agar to grain. then grain to coir.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: Tstone]
    #27109021 - 12/26/20 03:52 PM (30 days, 21 hours ago)

@Tstone...
Thanx for the info. I have been doing lots of reading, here and on the web. The only YouTube postings I think are legit are from PhillyGoldenTecher because he refers to this Forum and learned all his Teks from here. I’m a much better learner by watching and of course DOING AND LEARNING by mistakes. What do you think of this guys teachings?
I have the money to spend for this new found hobby. And I have decided on a Tek. First time around though I’m doing the Broke Boi Tek with brown rice to the CocoCoir, gypsum, vermiculite, mix. 12 shoe box or possible dubtub convert if needed and I bought a case of 1 quart mason jars, a 12 quart pot, 2 bottles of 70% alcohol, and a very large Stirelite clear tote for my still air box, and foil. My spores are on their way accompanied with some warmers in the packing to prevent freezing cuz I live in the North east.
Now all I have to do is follow the instructions to a T that I’ve read on hear and watched with PhillyGoldenTeacher....AND PRAY! I am prepared to fail and prepared to learn from it and try again. Have you ever heard of this PhillyGoldenTeacher cat on YouTube? And do you think his teaching is reliable?
I really appreciate all the advice and directions and links I have gotten from this forum. I have stayed up for many hours into the morning reading trying to hold my eyes open while trying to navigate thru this site, which I still have trouble doing. 😫
BTW... I figured out that the mycelium LC was illegal because you can’t get mycelium unless you’ve inoculated and that’s where it becomes illegal if you’re growing those kind.
So...,Do you think I’m ready?😉


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27109186 - 12/26/20 05:10 PM (30 days, 20 hours ago)

Why is he referencing shroomery? Everytime i see someone says they used his vids they're not doing current teks. I'm looking at his popular broke boi tek now and it's ridiculous. Not only is he using brown rice as his grain(stupid expensive and way more nutes than needed), but he turns around and shoots spores into the grains at the end which is a huge no-no unless your good with averaging 50% success.

Leave youtube. There's no oversight and comparison from seasoned growers. It's almost always some dude that's half right and had some mediocre success because cubes are pretty damn hardy.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: LtLurker]
    #27109252 - 12/26/20 05:51 PM (30 days, 19 hours ago)

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    #27109369 - 12/26/20 06:59 PM (30 days, 18 hours ago)

Thanx LT😊 Any info/feedback is good so I appreciate whatever is advised to be here. I have a hard time reading and following SOME directions on here without pictures or videos. A lot of things I read on here are described like they’re being described to somebody who already knows what they’re  doing. Some use words that I don’t know or abbreviations. The particular tech that the YouTube guy is using is the one that I would like to use. It seems pretty straightforward and I can follow along with his steps. If what is he doing is incorrect I would love to see some correct video in the same format. If there’s a link on here with that Tek could you please give it to me. I mean I have already bought everything that I thought I needed. Took notes from the shrubbery watched his video, looked at still photos on here and I thought I was all set to go. I know you tell me that I should use this tech. This is getting too frustrating. 😖


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27109443 - 12/26/20 07:40 PM (30 days, 17 hours ago)

Yea i get how vids help see how people move and stuff like that.

If you're looking to be close to that tek but do it right then you're either looking for pf tek(brown rice flour & verm that you shoot spores into)
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24179086

or you would have to do a real grain tek(like oats, rye, wbs; NOT RICE) after cleaning a culture on agar and innoc the jars with that. No shooting spores into straight grains, it fails too much.


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    #27109523 - 12/26/20 08:31 PM (30 days, 16 hours ago)

What does the PF mean? And is that what I should type in the search engine? And when you say fail what do you mean? It gets contaminated or it doesn’t  germinate?


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    #27109526 - 12/26/20 08:32 PM (30 days, 16 hours ago)

And not BRF. I wanted to use whole brown rice

I just saw it. You said not to use brown rice but do use real grain.
So if I change my grain can I use that same tek? The same tek that I watched on YouTube?
But if I do that then I have to learn how to make agar? Correct?


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    #27109549 - 12/26/20 08:45 PM (30 days, 16 hours ago)

PF stands for Psilocybe Fanaticus, an og grower that invented the basics of the tek. PF tek is synonymous with brf cakes.

When i say fail, i mean roughly on average half of jars done with spores straight to grain will become mold and never make a single fruit. The rest will most likely be bacterial and maybe produce or contam out.

Do you have a blender? Blend your whole rice into flour(that's how i do it). Trying to use whole rice is ridiculous, please trust me. It doesn't perform like a real grain and is a waste of money. It's nearly impossible to shake cooked rice and you can buy a 50lb bag of oats at a feed store for about $20 depending on season.

I strongly suggest you follow the link i gave and make brf jars, or we can start talking about agar and prepping real grains. I personally like pf tek as a starting point because it's simple and the process is shorter. Gives you a chance to learn the fruiting process before diving into agar and big grain batches.


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    #27109590 - 12/26/20 09:16 PM (30 days, 16 hours ago)

Ok LT. I will take your advice and listen to you. The only thing that sucks is that I have liquid spores on their way. Like they’re in the mail as we speak. And I already went and bought everything and get my confidence up and feel comfortable about doing this tech that I have been talking about. Now I have to go re-learn this new one that you sent me. LOL. You sold me when you use the word “we”


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    #27109596 - 12/26/20 09:19 PM (30 days, 16 hours ago)

However to be 100% honest with you I would much rather go out and buy a pressure cooker and do it the right way and make a bigger batch in the #12 shoe box. I already have the Coco core the vermiculite in the Gypsum distill airbox, the alcohol, the spray bottles 12 1 quart mason jars


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    #27109601 - 12/26/20 09:23 PM (30 days, 16 hours ago)

I second LT’s solid advice.  Pf tek is much safer for spore syringes.  Definitely a great place to start so you can get some experience and some fruits

Edit: if you have the means.. definitely get a pressure cooker... do both grains and pf tek.  Hedge your bets

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    #27109620 - 12/26/20 09:34 PM (30 days, 15 hours ago)

Thank you. To make active agar do I inoculate it with my spore syringe that I have coming? I haven’t even opened that can of worms yet! Sheeesh!  My head is going to pop!


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    #27109626 - 12/26/20 09:40 PM (30 days, 15 hours ago)

Check out RR's video series.  He's on here all the time and everybody is familiar with this series.

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    #27109633 - 12/26/20 09:42 PM (30 days, 15 hours ago)

Lol, yea it is we. Even if it's not me, this site is good about helping newbs. But i do like helping new growers.

Those spores are your starting point either way. That's a win.

You can do a little of both here if you want. You can make some 1/2pint pf jars to inoculate directly with your syringe as your safe bet and leave some juice in the syringe. Your cakes can be spawned to bulk just like grains when they're done if you'd prefer(cuts out making cake chambers).

While the cakes are colonizing; Look into agar and start some plates growing with the remnants of that syringe if you can. This'll get you some practice with sterile technique. Plates will take some time to grow, transfer, grow, transfer(roughly 3x); so it gives you time to get a pc and grains to use in those quart jars for the final plate.
Crazy amount of agar references

Doing the Agar and grains will give you a big leg up in reliability and efficiency. It may seem overwhelming but taken step by step it's pretty simple. The brf jars will get you a simple path to harvest and spore prints for plenty of material to work with.


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    #27109653 - 12/26/20 09:51 PM (30 days, 15 hours ago)

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Thank you. To make active agar do I inoculate it with my spore syringe that I have coming? I haven’t even opened that can of worms yet! Sheeesh!  My head is going to pop!



To use agar you will either need to purchase pre-made dishes or you will need to use a PC(Pressure Cooker) to prepare it.  If you are making the agar you will need to pour the dishes in an SAB(Still Air Box).  Once the agar has solidified you will take just one drop from the syringe and do a streak on the plate.  Bellow are  links to BOD's video's.  If I were you I would follow the advice given and get a PF TEK grow under your belt.  These are all different tools for your tool belt.  PF TEK is a Tool, Sterile Work is a Tool, Agar is a Tool, Using a PC is a Tool.  Eventually you will have a full tool kit to do whatever you want but first learn one skill.  PF TEK is a perfect entry point for most people.  All of the other tools have little tools that go with them.

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    #27109673 - 12/26/20 10:05 PM (30 days, 15 hours ago)

Omg LT! I just looked at that whole tutorial with the cakes or whatever the frick they’re called. It is so complicated and there are so many steps it’s ridiculous! The pictures are so small I can’t even see what the Hells going on. Then on top of it it gives you another option to do it in these PP5 containers which I had no idea what they even were until I googled them. I would much prefer to use those but I can’t figure out how to use those either! I can’t even tell what they’re made out of. I have no clue how you would even seal them to steam them or pressure cook them! I think I would much prefer how do use agar. Then inoculate my 1 quart jars with the agar when it’s ready. and then add that to my Coco core and vermiculite, keep them at the correct temperature and hydrated and let them do their job. Now that’s something I think I can do.
The only problem here is I have no idea how to make the agar and inoculated! I’d like to scream right now. God I’m so frustrated. There’s got to be a easier way to watch this and learn it. Between reading it and trying to figure out what they’re trying to tell me and then looking at these small pictures, it just makes me so unsure.


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    #27109681 - 12/26/20 10:10 PM (30 days, 15 hours ago)

Haha.. didn’t realize I already posted those links.


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    #27109700 - 12/26/20 10:20 PM (30 days, 15 hours ago)

Thank you and I agree with what your saying about the “tools” like building blocks. However that PF-Tek seems like the most complicated one of them all. A lot of frickikg steps. Peeling and rolling and dunking and birthing! WTF!?
How about let’s  grow some mycelium, plant it, keep it warm, and moist, and grow a fricking garden! Lol. That’s not complicated! Lol.


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    #27109702 - 12/26/20 10:21 PM (30 days, 15 hours ago)

If you can't see then click the picture it expands, and then there's a symbol in corner that expands even more. It's just measuring and mixing mostly.

PP5 is a type of plastic. You know the little triangle with a number in it on the bottom of plastics? You're looking for a 5, which is most food containers in a grocery store. You just make top holes like a brf jar, cover with foil, and pc. I prefer little jars but it's not like the plastic will melt in a pot or pc, pp5 are tough.

At some point you just have to try and write what you did. If you make a mistake in a step someone will let you know and you can fix it.

Birthing is just taking it out of the jar. Dunking is just soaking in water for half a day IF you do a cake chamber. If you do bulk, just birth and shred to coir. It's not big steps, it's a lot of detail on small simple parts.


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    #27109734 - 12/26/20 10:45 PM (30 days, 14 hours ago)

Ok. Thanks. I think I like the PP5 because they’re bigger/wider and it will give them room to grow. Plus I can lay them all flat in a tub Instead of having all these jars.
But one last question because my little 53 year old fried out brain can’t handle any more information for the night. LOL can I just buy any old premade agar petri dishes on line from Amazon or wherever? Do they have to be a certain type of agar? Like food quality or something. I’m not sure of the technical word? Thanks for all your help tonight. You were a very big help and I appreciate it more than you know. I just figure I will order of the ego ASAP so as soon as I get my sports syringes I can inoculate them and get them on standby. I’m guessing the more of those I have ready the more chances I give myself of growing if I screw one up!


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    #27110684 - 12/27/20 03:11 PM (29 days, 22 hours ago)

Hey there LT!:smile: Last night my head was spinning with information. So today I read up and looked at the links again on the PF TEK. It’s not as difficult as it seemed last night! Lol. I can handle it. I don’t know why I got so discouraged last night. Well, I do...I was just overwhelmed!
I’ve got three questions for you though. #1. Do I need to make a SGFC or can I just use a monotub or two?  #2. In your directions and suggestions about me making the Agar you said something about  (grow,transfer, grow, transfer, roughly 3 times)  I’m not sure what your talking about?? Don’t I just squirt some spore culture into the Petri dishes and let it grow? Or are you telling me to do it several times so I have more to work with out of the same spore syringe, liquid culture, spore culture or what ever it’s called. I’m not sure if they’re all the same thing or all different. And #3. Should I buy some brown rice flour or can I really just grind up the BR with my Ninja? Which do you suggest?
Anyway, besides that I think I’m all set to try it. I just need to go by a PC, some perlite and a different size stirelitte tub (cuz I’m changing my fruiting chamber Tek and some smaller jars or some PP5’s
BTW...what time zone are you in? I’m on the east coast. I only ask for communication purpose. Thanx for all your advice and help.


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    #27110725 - 12/27/20 03:47 PM (29 days, 21 hours ago)

Yea i figured that's what was going on, no big deal.

1) You don't have to. There's alternative chambers for cakes like the humidity chamber. You can also break up colonized cakes and mix with coir to run it like a regular mono or unmodded tub.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26009662/page/1

2) After you inoc a plate, you let it grow about half way and transfer a piece of clean edge onto a new plate(called T1 for transfer one). Then you let the new plate grow to about half and repeat(T2). Usually around T3 is the plate you'll actually inoc jars with. This is to clean your culture and leave any nasties behind. The initial plate you hit the syringe with is probably going to have some bacteria or something along with the myc, and the goal of agar is to have only clean mycelium going into your jars.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18430998

3) You can do either. I buy bags of whole brown rice and blend them in my oster blender. It's cheaper than buying it in flour form and doesn't take much time really.


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    #27110733 - 12/27/20 03:53 PM (29 days, 21 hours ago)

Thank you. And I figured it out. I have been sitting here at the kitchen table for five hours now reading nonstop. I figured out the purpose of the transferred three times. So can I just buy some premade petri dishes online? And what type do I buy? And they need to be a specific type of agar?
And also once those half pint jars are fully colonized I can break those up and mix those into the coir substrate? Here we go with the new tech! LOL now I have to learn that ratio


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    #27110753 - 12/27/20 04:06 PM (29 days, 21 hours ago)

You can take it one step at a time. Focus on making cakes and getting them started, you'll have a few weeks to read and prep for how you prefer to fruit them. I'm just trying to show there's multiple options.

Agar has a lot of options. Premade isn't really recommended, but they can work as a starting point. Making your own after buying sterile empty dishes or some pp5 containers is cheaper in the long run.

I know it's like i'm throwing a lot of teks at you, but they're already written out in so much more detail than i can explain in a post. The massive agar guide i gave you last night has Bod's comprehensive agar tek which walks you through materials, making it, and a few more details. Another great tek in there is No pour Pasty Plates, using pp5 containers to make and sterilize agar in so you don't have to get plates right away(but most prefer plates given the choice).


I really don't want to over whelm you. If it's too much trying to digest all this at once, there's nothing wrong with just doing cakes for a while until you have it down and want to learn more. I spent months just doing cakes before i moved on to other techniques.


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Good morning, you are so right. I need to slow down. I’m in recovery. It’s the old addict behavior. I want what I want when I want it which is yesterday. It’s all or nothing! Everything has to be perfect...do it right and get it right the first time of don’t do it at all. I’m gonna PM you. Thanx for your patience, help, and understanding:)


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    #27111866 - 12/28/20 10:58 AM (29 days, 2 hours ago)

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Really? It was something personal. I didn’t want it on a public forum. If you had read it you might have understood.
Ok next question then. I could not find a single lightbulb, fluorescent style that was between 5000 and 7000 Kelvin. As a matter fact very few lights posted what the kelvin measurement even was. I went to Walmart, I went to Home Depot, I went to Lowe’s, so I did the legwork. I would very much Appreciate it if somebody could tell me a brand-name light bulb wattage, voltage and all that good jazz so I can just go buy the damn thing. Please and thank you. It’s only going to be enough to light up a 4 x 4 area. In a tub obviously:)


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I’ve been to Two different Walmart’s looking for a old schoool PC. NO LUCK! The only type they had was the electric ones and they were too small. In believable. I have never set my mind out to do something with such perseverance  and run into so many brick walls! My lord! If it isn’t no vermiculite, it’s no perlite, if it isn’t the right size canning jars it’s the tubs...now the bulbs and the PC. However, I will do this and I will get good at it. It might take me two years but I’ll get it.
NOW!!!!! My spores that I ordered with warmers in the shipping box with plenty of time to make it is now being delayed because of the volume of packages over the holidays and by the time it gets to me the warmers will have run out of warmth and my spore syringe is going to freeze! This literally makes me want to cry.


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    #27115000 - 12/29/20 11:29 PM (27 days, 13 hours ago)

Theres a lot of good teks in my signature. Check em out. Its a good idea to read and research everything you can before diving in. Doing so will reduce your chances of failure and becoming discouraged. Some of the best advice I can give you is to stay away from reddit and youtube. Theres some good stuff out there its just buried underneath all of the misinformation. Your best friend here will be the search engine. Good luck.


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    #27115697 - 12/30/20 10:20 AM (27 days, 3 hours ago)

Bulbs have the rating on them, i believe it's warmth. IDK specifics only had to buy 2 and remember the label telling me.

PC's can be bought online if you can't find a large enough one at a store. Used pc's on ebay are usually a good deal.


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You can get everything online unless this doesn't jive with privacy concerns.

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Thank you for the advice I appreciate any I can get. I don’t know what you mean by under your signature. And I’m not very computer savvy or forum savvy. I have a hard time navigating through this forum. It’s like a maze  Like I don’t even know how to save a page. I find things useful and I don’t know how to get back to them again. I think that’s the most frustrating thing of all. What do you mean all of those things in your message where are the words and letters are all different colors?


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    #27117006 - 12/30/20 10:03 PM (26 days, 15 hours ago)

Well hooray for me! I just bought a pressure cooker on eBay. A 23 quart Preston for $130 delivered by January 7. Now all I need is some spores to get started and then some agar to broaden my horizons. :smile:


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: GrinchGrower]
    #27117057 - 12/30/20 10:33 PM (26 days, 14 hours ago)

Reason why I was having a hard time finding the damn lightbulbs because I was looking under or should I say in the grow light section. I didn’t realize they were regular lightbulbs. This is one of the reason why I have a such a hard time on this forum. It’s  hard to ask specific questions and get specific answers that also applies while using the search engine. I guess it all comes down to patients in this one thing that I’m lacking. You have to ask a question and wait two days to get the answer sometimes it’s not the answer that you want and then you have to re-ask do more research and So it takes three days to find the correct goddamn lightbulb. I went to four different stores spent a total of three hours looking for a lightbulb in the whole time I was in the wrong section. Talk about frustration and discouragement.


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    #27117066 - 12/30/20 10:39 PM (26 days, 14 hours ago)

OK I learned how to find my favorites under accounts but I don’t know how to save anything to favorites. I don’t understand what you mean


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    #27117073 - 12/30/20 10:43 PM (26 days, 14 hours ago)

Like I just clicked on this link you gave me before Bobs easy as fuck stuf here. Are you open that up and I scroll to the bottom of this page and I don’t see anything there to help me save it to my favorites


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    #27117076 - 12/30/20 10:44 PM (26 days, 14 hours ago)

Then this one here that you sent me... RRs let’s grow mushrooms won’t play for me. It won’t let me download it either.


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    #27117079 - 12/30/20 10:45 PM (26 days, 14 hours ago)

Oh ok. At least I understand that now!


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    #27117083 - 12/30/20 10:48 PM (26 days, 14 hours ago)

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    #27117098 - 12/30/20 11:00 PM (26 days, 14 hours ago)

I didn’t ! What do you mean. You said that once before so would that mean that you’re double posting? Lol


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    #27117158 - 12/30/20 11:45 PM (26 days, 13 hours ago)

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    #27117265 - 12/31/20 12:50 AM (26 days, 12 hours ago)

I want to apologize to all you great people who have taken the time to help me. I just get so frustrated and angry with myself when I can figure out something and when I constantly hit dead ends. So then it comes out in my posts. I just find it so frustrating when I can’t get the answers I need to get started. It feels like I’m in an uphill battle. It’s just because I’m not computer savvy or forum savvy. I just don’t have a clue how to navigate through these pages and get the answers that I need. However at least I figured out how to save things now to my favorites. That should be a big help. Anyway thank you for all your help, patience, advice, and answers. I hope I haven’t pissed anybody off and push them away.  :frown::confused: 
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    #27117709 - 12/31/20 09:52 AM (26 days, 3 hours ago)

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Why did they call it a no pour Tek. Is that opposed to  pour Tek?




No pour TEK's name is a bit misleading.  You pour the AGAR plates before you put them in the pressure cooker.  This makes it easier for some who don't like to pour sterilized agar in a SAB.  Only certain types of plastic and Glass will survive the PC process so you are limited by that.

Bulbs - CFL 6500K Daylight is what you need.  Please anyone disagree with me if they think other.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Philips-60-Watt-Equivalent-T2-Spiral-CFL-Light-Bulb-Daylight-6500K-4-Pack-434399/203248911

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Like I just clicked on this link you gave me before Bobs easy as fuck stuf here. Are you open that up and I scroll to the bottom of this page and I don’t see anything there to help me save it to my favorites



At the bottom of every page it says EXTRA INFORMATION and under that it says TOGGLE FAVORITE.  Clicking on that will add favorites.


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I didn’t ! What do you mean. You said that once before so would that mean that you’re double posting? Lol



When you post over and over again without anyone answering then you are double/triple posting.  This can make it a little more difficult for others to weed through.  Ideally you want to edit your post and add the additional information or just wait till you can put it all in one post.

Getting good with the search supper helpful.  All of your questions have been asked and answered multiple times.  I know it's overwhelming, but the more you use the site the easier it will be to navigate.

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    #27118653 - 12/31/20 05:33 PM (25 days, 19 hours ago)

Lol Wait...did you add a Signature Line :congrats:

Yes I did. I learned how to make my own signature. I was very proud of myself too. I know the people that are text savvy on here think it’s funny or think that I’m pathetic that I can navigate my way through here but as you said the more I do it  I’ll get it. I still don’t understand what I double posted. I don’t see where I repeated myself with the exception of my multiple complaints. LOL which I am going to start doing. Frustration gets nobody nowhere. If anything it just slows you down even more. Thank you for the link on the lightbulbs however when I clicked on it and checked into it there are none at the store where I’m located and there are none online at Home Depot however at least I have a brand-name and a place to start now. The one thing I have not figured out how to do is how to post a picture. And yes I did read the directions. And even said in the newbie section that this should be the first thing I learned how to do. If I did I would take a picture of this nine watch grow bulb I have and see if it’s compatible. Because this is one of the bulbs I was talking about that does not have a kelvin measurements/chart on it. What’s your opinion on some of the stuff on Instagram? The only reason why I go on YouTube and on these other places for information is because of the videos in the pictures in that they come with a narrator. Plus the pictures are big. I’m not saying I’m going to follow what they do on these other channels but it’s at least something to go by. Once I learn how to upload a picture I am going to take a screenshot of one of these Teks that’s full of abbreviations. When I try to read directions where there’s more abbreviations and there are words I have no clue what they’re telling me to do. I’m grateful for the glossary that has been given to me but none of the abbreviations are on there. It has been very helpful for other words though. I appreciate all your responses and your patience with me. I will get this done. Hopefully I can get better and better at it over the next several years.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27118775 - 12/31/20 06:30 PM (25 days, 18 hours ago)

A double post is when you post a comment im a thread and then post another comment underneath it instead of editing your original post to include updates, new questions/comments etc.


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    #27118789 - 12/31/20 06:34 PM (25 days, 18 hours ago)

I saw this light online and I’m practicing uploading a picture. What do you think of this?




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    #27118803 - 12/31/20 06:39 PM (25 days, 18 hours ago)

Ahhhhhhh I see. I get it now. Now that makes more sense. However, do you see the amount of shit I keep spewing and whining and complaining about and the amount of  questions I’m asking? Are you telling me I should just keep adding all those all  in one box? LOL ...Or just use better judgment and try to consolidate a little better?  Thank you


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    #27118851 - 12/31/20 07:02 PM (25 days, 18 hours ago)

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What’s your opinion on some of the stuff on Instagram?



Sorry, no opinion on Instagram I only use it to look at funny dog and cat pics.  Most of the stuff on Reddit and YouTube is not great.  For the bulb I would look for a T2 Spiral CFL with around 1000 Lumens.  I can't speak to the diode bulbs and that one looks expensive.  There is a thread going on right now and people are talking about YouTube Channels that are myco related. Your favorite myco youtube channel?


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    #27118857 - 12/31/20 07:05 PM (25 days, 18 hours ago)

The bulb is only $12. Were you able to look at the specs on it?  And a pat on the back I believe is in order for figuring out how to put a picture up LOL. And a avatar ! Haha


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    #27119875 - 01/01/21 10:19 AM (25 days, 3 hours ago)

Sorry man, lighting is a little outside of my comfort zone.  I would say that the general consensus on the board is to aim for @ 6500K and @ 1000 Lumens per tub, so the bulb you found hits that range.  $12 dollars is not a lot of money but you could buy 4 CFL's for that price.  Is rub the fleeb Rick and Morty?  I need to check it out.

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    #27120306 - 01/01/21 02:18 PM (24 days, 23 hours ago)

Happy new year Brutha! Thanx for the reply. Yes that is Rick and Marty. I’m 53 years old I’m still loving animated shows, American dad, family guy, and my favorite is Rick and Morty. But every night I put on adult swim.  I went ahead and ordered a box of three for $12 of the regular CFL spiral. 6500k.
They were tougher to locate than one would think. A lot of places didn’t have them in stock, either at the store or online. So I went to the giant… Amazon.

OK here comes my real stupid question. I don’t know what these “STICKY NOTES” are that  everybody is referring to throughout this forum.

I am getting so antsy to do my first grow. The USPS is all backed up and I have been waiting over a week now for my spore syringes...from two different vendors even. I believe I have everything I need to get started with the exception of the spores and my pressure cooker which I really don’t need to start the PF Tek.

My second question is this.… Will I get more of a yield if I break up my rice flour cakes and mix those into a bulk substrate. As opposed to leaving them whole and setting them on pearl light and foil. And if I do that will I be able to do a second and third flush as well?


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    #27120644 - 01/01/21 05:36 PM (24 days, 19 hours ago)

At the top of the page it says FORUM INDEX.  Select this and all the FORUMS show up.  The image below is the GETTING STARTED FORUM and the first several threads say STICKY next to them and have information useful to that forum.  Cakes are nice because they are physically isolated from each other.  Most spore syringes have contaminants in them.  Since they are birthed and fruited separately most contaminants won't jump from one cake to the next.  You could get lucky and all of your cakes will be perfect, but that's just not going to happen.  When you mix them all together then anything bad in one of the cakes will now infest your entire grow.  Also, most people redunk their cakes and get another yield or two.  Most people do bulk grows from grains and agar.  Some people break up cakes or put them in a blender, but I'm assuming they do it with an LC (Liquid Culture), not sure you'd have to ask them.  Best advice, for your first grow, keep it simple.  Sorry, cakes are not my thing.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: IdiotCircusBoy]
    #27120835 - 01/01/21 07:48 PM (24 days, 17 hours ago)

Yea man, i knew you'd find it. Jus ttook a little looking.

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What’s your opinion on some of the stuff on Instagram?



There is a thread going on right now and people are talking about YouTube Channels that are myco related. Your favorite myco youtube channel?



The answer to both the question and the thread is avoid it like the plague. Whether it's youtube, reddit, insta, w/e; they all have the same problem. There's no moderators for quality, it's a free for all of bad ideas. This dedicated site has a rating system, trusted cultivators, and a constant check & updates on current best practices. A video demo seems nice, but more often than not it's full of bad ideas and you wind up building bad habits & a misunderstanding on how things work and what they require. I dunno why tc's and mods haven't chimed in on that thread. If you look close all the pro-youtube comments are from new users not vets or tc's; and it's also slanted towards growing edibles because long time edible growers are more comfortable sharing there than underground active growers.


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    #27121372 - 01/02/21 02:05 AM (24 days, 11 hours ago)

@LT. Find What? Lord knows in the past week I’ve been looking for a lot of things! Ha ha


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    #27121377 - 01/02/21 02:14 AM (24 days, 11 hours ago)

@Lt Lurker...You once sent this to me. I copied and paste it below The part after you said to leave some juice in the syringe. I’m not sure what you mean by that. I was hoping you could elaborate
You can do a little of both here if you want. You can make some 1/2pint pf jars to inoculate directly with your syringe as your safe bet and leave some juice in the syringe. Your cakes can be spawned to bulk just like grains when they're done if you'd prefer(cuts out making cake chambers).


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    #27121782 - 01/02/21 12:03 PM (24 days, 1 hour ago)

I was talking about your bulbs.

Agar only needs a drop from a spore syringe to germinate growth. So you can get a syringe to do cakes and just leave a bit left over for agar if you wanted.


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    #27122990 - 01/03/21 02:09 AM (23 days, 11 hours ago)

No no. You said that my cakes can be spawned to bulk just like grains when there done if I prefer. ( cuts out making cake chambers.)
This is what you said and I don’t know what you’re talking about.  Maybe I’m confused of what the terminology means whatever the case is I’m not sure what you’re trying to say to me.
I’m sorry. I can be a little slow sometimes.

The mail (USPS) is finally starting to move again. I’ve got spores  coming from two different vendors and then I have a liquid live culture coming as well so I’m trying to decide my best route for all of them
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    #27123004 - 01/03/21 02:34 AM (23 days, 10 hours ago)

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Your cakes can be spawned to bulk just like grains when they're done if you'd prefer(cuts out making cake chambers).




This worked for me:
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    #27124833 - 01/03/21 11:32 PM (22 days, 13 hours ago)

In response to your feed back...thank you BTW. You said cakes were not your thing. What is your thing? How do you do it? What Tek do you use and howz ur rezults?


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    #27125927 - 01/04/21 01:30 PM (21 days, 23 hours ago)

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In response to your feed back...thank you BTW. You said cakes were not your thing. What is your thing? How do you do it? What Tek do you use and howz ur rezults?



While I don't want to discuss me personally I will tell you that I think the general consensus is to take spores to Agar, Agar to Grains, and Grains to Bulk using a monotub.  What TEK you follow, IMO, is dependent on a combination of your current skill set, what materials you have available, how much money you want to spend, what space you have available, and how much time you have.  In other words, if you have access to a lot of manure then you will probably use a TEK with manure.  If I had to choose a particular persons TEK to follow it would be bodhisatta.  His stuff is linked below.

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    #27127209 - 01/05/21 12:18 AM (21 days, 13 hours ago)

OK so I get all my ducks in a row. The only thing I’m waiting for is my PC to be delivered. Right now I have four different types of spores. I also got my hands on a Live culture spore syringe. While I am doing my PF Tek and going through the waiting process of colonization and fruiting I would like to start getting my feet wet with Agar with some of the spores that I got. I have skimmed through this forum for the past two plus hours and I cannot find anything solid that makes any sense to me on what to buy to make a good batch of agar and what size petri dish to buy. I don’t want to you and glad cups. I would like to use pitrie dishes. Please Please don’t give me Pastys  easy agar recipe! I don’t want it.  I already have some light malt extract. So I would like to start there. All I want is a simple recipe, including the brand name of the products needed, how much to buy, how to prep it, and how to sterilize it. I don’t care if it’s a pour, or a no pour, or whatever. I just want something that has easy clear cut directions with possibly some photos, easy to follow and that makes sense.  Of course a link is fine if it meets that criteria. Thank you in advance. I am so close to starting my first run at this and I’m very excited. I want so badly to do this right and learn the correct way not necessarily the easiest way. I was a chef for 20 years and I know how to follow a recipe and directions if they are clear-cut. Ironically I am a gardener and a landscaper now and know how to grow things. I’ve just never grown fungi!! Lol.


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    #27127286 - 01/05/21 01:54 AM (21 days, 11 hours ago)

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OK so I get all my ducks in a row. The only thing I’m waiting for is my PC to be delivered. Right now I have four different types of spores. I also got my hands on a Live culture spore syringe. While I am doing my PF Tek and going through the waiting process of colonization and fruiting I would like to start getting my feet wet with Agar with some of the spores that I got. I have skimmed through this forum for the past two plus hours and I cannot find anything solid that makes any sense to me on what to buy to make a good batch of agar and what size petri dish to buy. I don’t want to you and glad cups. I would like to use pitrie dishes. Please Please don’t give me Pastys  easy agar recipe! I don’t want it.  I already have some light malt extract. So I would like to start there. All I want is a simple recipe, including the brand name of the products needed, how much to buy, how to prep it, and how to sterilize it. I don’t care if it’s a pour, or a no pour, or whatever. I just want something that has easy clear cut directions with possibly some photos, easy to follow and that makes sense.  Of course a link is fine if it meets that criteria. Thank you in advance. I am so close to starting my first run at this and I’m very excited. I want so badly to do this right and learn the correct way not necessarily the easiest way. I was a chef for 20 years and I know how to follow a recipe and directions if they are clear-cut. Ironically I am a gardener and a landscaper now and know how to grow things. I’ve just never grown fungi!! Lol.




For size of Petri dishes bud uses 100 x 15 and that’s what I started using also. Simple recipe is 10grams light malt extract 10grams agar agar 500 ml of water. Add dry ingredients then add water shake place in microwave with cap really lose and boil it make sure to not over boil. Once’s boiling take out tighten cap shake well. Then you’ll loosen that cap again and pc for 20 min at 15psi


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: Fungi Rogers]
    #27127708 - 01/05/21 10:18 AM (21 days, 3 hours ago)

EE - If you follow the link I sent you yesterday you'll get a list with other links.  Then if you follow the one that says "Agar TEK's Including Bod's Easy AF Comprehensive Agar TEK"  you'll get several comprehensive step by step agar TEKs with everything you need.


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    #27128012 - 01/05/21 01:34 PM (20 days, 23 hours ago)

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EE - If you follow the link I sent you yesterday you'll get a list with other links.  Then if you follow the one that says "Agar TEK's Including Bod's Easy AF Comprehensive Agar TEK"  you'll get several comprehensive step by step agar TEKs with everything you need.




Maybe I should change my signature to just call me idiot. Lol. Thank you ICB. I keep tying to tell people that I’m SAF (slow as fuck) when it comes to navigating this forum and when it comes to reading “some people’s” perception of directions. I will check that out as well. Thanx Brutha


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    #27128020 - 01/05/21 01:39 PM (20 days, 23 hours ago)

@Fungi Rogers

For size of Petri dishes bud uses 100 x 15 and that’s what I started using also. Simple recipe is 10grams light malt extract 10grams agar agar 500 ml of water. Add dry ingredients then add water shake place in microwave with cap really lose and boil it make sure to not over boil. Once’s boiling take out tighten cap shake well. Then you’ll loosen that cap again and pc for 20 min at 15psi




PERFECT!!!!
THANK YOU THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

Now these directions I can follow. I do have another question to ask but I’m at work right now so it’ll have to wait. Thank you again very much I appreciate it. Enjoy the rest of your day FR!
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    #27128180 - 01/05/21 02:45 PM (20 days, 22 hours ago)

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@Fungi Rogers

For size of Petri dishes bud uses 100 x 15 and that’s what I started using also. Simple recipe is 10grams light malt extract 10grams agar agar 500 ml of water. Add dry ingredients then add water shake place in microwave with cap really lose and boil it make sure to not over boil. Once’s boiling take out tighten cap shake well. Then you’ll loosen that cap again and pc for 20 min at 15psi




PERFECT!!!!
THANK YOU THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

Now these directions I can follow. I do have another question to ask but I’m at work right now so it’ll have to wait. Thank you again very much I appreciate it. Enjoy the rest of your day FR!
Peace, Love, & Mycelium :grin:</font>




No problem bud. I’ll keep an eye open for your question. You also enjoy your day.


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    #27142570 - 01/11/21 09:13 PM (14 days, 16 hours ago)

Well I’m finally on my way. I finally have 14 BRS jars inoculated with an LC and colonizing as we speak. It’s only been 48 hours and they’re already showing signs of recolonization. I am so excited. I so hope everything goes right and I don’t get any contaminants. Thanks for all your help and everybody else is helpful here who is been a part of my beginning. I know I drove everybody nuts with my whining and questions. But thank you for all of you stay tune for more questions once I get to the second stage… Birthing them. :mushroom2  :cheers:


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    #27142590 - 01/11/21 09:27 PM (14 days, 15 hours ago)

Looking forward to some pics.


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    #27142598 - 01/11/21 09:30 PM (14 days, 15 hours ago)

:youthemandawg:

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Well I’m finally on my way. I finally have 14 BRS jars inoculated with an LC and colonizing as we speak. It’s only been 48 hours and they’re already showing signs of recolonization. I am so excited. I so hope everything goes right and I don’t get any contaminants. Thanks for all your help and everybody else is helpful here who is been a part of my beginning. I know I drove everybody nuts with my whining and questions. But thank you for all of you stay tune for more questions once I get to the second stage… Birthing them. :mushroom2  :cheers:




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    #27143888 - 01/12/21 03:31 PM (13 days, 21 hours ago)

When I get home I should have some parafilm waiting for me in the mailbox and I will be making the leap to making some agar and some liquid culture while I’m at it saying I’m going to be pressure cooking the egg or a mixture I might as well pressure cook some liquid culture mixture as well. So strapping because here comes my questions by the hundreds! Lol. Because I have such a hard time navigating this forum I’m curious to how you knew that I posted on here again and how you knew I posted regarding your last post. Because you answered pretty quickly which I appreciate. Thank you.


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When I get home I should have some parafilm waiting for me in the mailbox and I will be making the leap to making some agar and some liquid culture while I’m at it saying I’m going to be pressure cooking the egg or a mixture I might as well pressure cook some liquid culture mixture as well. So strapping because here comes my questions by the hundreds! Lol. Because I have such a hard time navigating this forum I’m curious to how you knew that I posted on here again and how you knew I posted regarding your last post. Because you answered pretty quickly which I appreciate. Thank you.





I can’t say for others but I tend to be lurking the forums quite a lot lol


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    #27144195 - 01/12/21 06:44 PM (13 days, 18 hours ago)

Hey man.  You may want to edit your name out of that last post.  As to how I know you posted, it's simple, I check my threads way more than I should.


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    #27152410 - 01/17/21 01:09 AM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

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    #27152421 - 01/17/21 01:14 AM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

Well that’s a good thing. That’s how you gonna learn. I edited my name out of that last post but because you quoted it, it’s still there and  I don’t know how to get rid of it.


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    #27152511 - 01/17/21 02:33 AM (9 days, 10 hours ago)

Well I never got around to making my ego because I was lacking a few essential materials. So while I was waiting for my BF cakes to colonize I thought I would prep up some red wheat berries. I soaked them for 24 hours and after boiling them for 10 minutes like the Teks said, they didn’t look hydrated enough so I boil them for over 30 minutes and they still didn’t look hydrated enough. But I pulled them anyway, strained them and pc’d them. I got 6 jars out of 3 pounds dry. I just have my fingers crossed and I’m praying that they are hydrated enough and everything works out. What will happen if they’re not is what my question is? Will they stall out?


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    #27152542 - 01/17/21 02:53 AM (9 days, 10 hours ago)



Well this is all I have the pictures now because this is what stage they are at obviously. Because I used an LC they started colonizing very quickly. Under 48 hours I started seeing some growth. This is a week later. Hopefully in a few weeks will have some fruit. I will be so happy when I have my first grow!:mushroom2: :hi:  :hi:


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Well this is all I have the pictures now because this is what stage they are at obviously. Because I used an LC they started colonizing very quickly. Under 48 hours I started seeing some growth. This is a week later. Hopefully in a few weeks will have some fruit. I will be so happy when I have my first grow!:mushroom2: :hi:  :hi:




Are you going to spawn to bulk or fc?


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    #27153038 - 01/17/21 11:15 AM (9 days, 2 hours ago)

Bulk. What does FC stand for? Why do you ask?


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    #27153048 - 01/17/21 11:23 AM (9 days, 2 hours ago)

:thumbup: fc is a fruiting chamber(individual cakes)


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    #27153622 - 01/17/21 04:26 PM (8 days, 20 hours ago)

Hey LT! Long time. I miss chatting with you. You were on of my biggest helpers in getting me going. Man I was so freaked out back when I first stated trying to do this. It took a lot of hours of searching on hear and reading posts, watching videos on YouTube and IG. Watching the videos really helped me to connect the dots. Not that I will follow their sterile/clean procedures but it helped to connect the dots watching it get done and see what things look like. But anyway, I’ve calm down and awful lot and as you can see I am on my way. We will see what the results are in a few weeks. However the best way to learn is by doing at least it is for me. I still have a ton of questions. I have been looking on here for the past hour and can’t seem to find it. I don’t even know how to word it in the search engine....
I inoculated my jars of grain with an LC. Unfortunately I did not have any self healing inoculation ports or vented gas exchange ports so I just drilled a 5/32 hole because I do have some ports coming tomorrow or Tuesday and used micropore tape. When I inoculated them,  I did it in a still airbox and I pulled the tape back squirted it in  like that. My question is what do I do with that hole now? Do I  cover it up with fresh tape, more tape, do I cover it with scotch tape, do I put the tinfoil back on, should I wrap the lid with plastic wrap? What is the basic and most common procedure to prevent contamination? Believe me I looked very well like I said I didn’t even know how to word the question. And what I did find was 18 years old. I can’t believe how old some of the posts are on this forum. Anyway glad to talk to you again you were a big help thank you.


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    #27153646 - 01/17/21 04:37 PM (8 days, 20 hours ago)

You shouldn't need injection ports for grains, just a filtered ge. You open the jar to drop a wedge.

Seems too fast to have an LC(liquid culture, made from a clean agar wedge put into a nutritious liquid). I think you mean spores but we've already discussed how spores into grains is bad.


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    #27153776 - 01/17/21 05:50 PM (8 days, 19 hours ago)

You've really come a long way ErnieErgot67.  Looking forward to all of your future success.


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    #27153801 - 01/17/21 06:05 PM (8 days, 19 hours ago)

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    #27153803 - 01/17/21 06:06 PM (8 days, 19 hours ago)

No no brother you misunderstood me.😊 I have not made any agar yet. I wish I had!... and I wish that much time had passed to where I had done two and three agar transfers and got to the point where I had a strong and stable strain of mycelium 🤩  However, I am not there yet 😩 LOL Wishful thinking.  I got a hold of several LC syringes.  That’s what I used to inoculate my BRF cakes. I use the same LC to make up these grain jars. So, I had to make a gas exchange hole in the top and I put microspore tape over it. Now that I have inoculated it I’m not sure what to do about this hole. When I inoculated I wiped all the top of the jar down with alcohol and simply pulled the tape back and put the needle in the hold and put 1 mL on each side of the jar and simply put the tape back over.


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    #27153813 - 01/17/21 06:14 PM (8 days, 19 hours ago)

yea one or two layers of mp tape should work alright. It's not the best filter though. When you setup for the next round you want poly fill in the holes or silicon a piece of SFD(Synthetic filter disk) over the hole.

You flamed the needle point right? Alcohol alone won't sterilize it. Opening the jar in the SAB to put in drops is the norm. Pulling tape in a SAB should be fine.

Are you positive you actually have an lc and not just a spore syringe? You can't just buy an LC of an active in the states. A spore syringe will have black spots in it.

Seems like you're progressing well dude. I hope now that you've dove in you're feeling less overwhelmed and seeing how it kinda comes together as you go through your first attempts.


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    #27153884 - 01/17/21 07:02 PM (8 days, 18 hours ago)

Thank you. I don’t know about a long way however I try to live by what’s written in my signature.
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    #27153908 - 01/17/21 07:17 PM (8 days, 18 hours ago)

Oh yes. I’m positive I bought 4 LC’s I know the difference. In fact I’m gonna make my own by adding what I have left to some LME and dextrose I’m just waiting for my lids to come tomorrow with the GE port and self healingIP’s. Tonight I’m going to make and pour my first agar plates.
And yes I am not nearly as overwhelmed as I was when I started. There were just too many components to this and I was trying to learn them all at once and I didn’t know where to start. I didn’t know what questions to ask and if I did I didn’t even know how to word them. I still have trouble with abbreviations in directions.  I still have no clue how to use the search engine correctly and to it full potential.
But now that I know several of the components to growing I just have to do them all, and then practice them all, and get better at them all. And then I’ll move onto isolating genes!!! Lol. OK that’s a long ways away but that’s the cherry on top and you know it!  Thanks so much for all your help, guidance, and patience. Stay strapped him because I got hundreds of more questions for you coming up soon! LOL.

By the way should I take the tinfoil off the top and just double up the tape? Or double up the tape and leave the tinfoil?


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    #27154008 - 01/17/21 08:30 PM (8 days, 16 hours ago)

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    #27154402 - 01/18/21 12:51 AM (8 days, 12 hours ago)

Thanx. I did. I figured the extra piece of tape would be plenty. Plus now I’ll be able to see them easily and I won’t have to pick them up when I look at them every hour to check their progress!!  LOL ha ha just kidding but you know what I mean!  It’s the equivalent of… “are we there yet?!are we there yet!?“ x ten and on steroids.
Well as soon as this bottle cools down to the right temp I will be pouring my first agar plates! Wish me luck, say a prayer and cross your fingers that I don’t screw it up and that I don’t contaminate any of them. Looking forward to chatting with you again.


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    #27154496 - 01/18/21 02:31 AM (8 days, 10 hours ago)

Well now I’m back to totally confused again. I thought the purpose of making these plates was to avoid contamination. Now after reading C 10 ‘s post on agar and inoculation tips I haven’t a clue what he’s talking about. What I got out of this is I am going to be deliberately inoculating my agar with my LC and my MSS and there is going to be bacteria in it and I’m going to contaminate my dish...DELIBERATELY!  I thought the point of making a guy was so I didn’t have bacteria. I didn’t think I was supposed to use this loop tool to colonize it!  I don’t even have this loopy tool thing that I’m supposed to make scratches with!  Now I’m right back where I started at another brick wall. Ah Fuck it! I’m just putting a drop of spore solution on one dish and a drop of LC  in another and see what happens!
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    #27154501 - 01/18/21 02:39 AM (8 days, 10 hours ago)

That will work fine... the loop just helps you separate the spores/inoculant a little into smaller, more distinct colonies.
You will be making multiple transfers from one agar plate to another in order to attempt clearing up any bacteria from your initial germination.


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    #27154582 - 01/18/21 04:15 AM (8 days, 9 hours ago)

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Well now I’m back to totally confused again. I thought the purpose of making these plates was to avoid contamination. Now after reading C 10 ‘s post on agar and inoculation tips I haven’t a clue what he’s talking about. What I got out of this is I am going to be deliberately inoculating my agar with my LC and my MSS and there is going to be bacteria in it and I’m going to contaminate my dish...DELIBERATELY!  I thought the point of making a guy was so I didn’t have bacteria. I didn’t think I was supposed to use this loop tool to colonize it!  I don’t even have this loopy tool thing that I’m supposed to make scratches with!  Now I’m right back where I started at another brick wall. Ah Fuck it! I’m just putting a drop of spore solution on one dish and a drop of LC  in another and see what happens!
That’s all I thought I was supposed to be doing.




You confused me pretty good there bud. So agar is to check if it’s clean and to transfer away from contams


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67] * 1
    #27154651 - 01/18/21 05:36 AM (8 days, 7 hours ago)

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Well now I’m back to totally confused again. I thought the purpose of making these plates was to avoid contamination. Now after reading C 10 ‘s post on agar and inoculation tips I haven’t a clue what he’s talking about. What I got out of this is I am going to be deliberately inoculating my agar with my LC and my MSS and there is going to be bacteria in it and I’m going to contaminate my dish...DELIBERATELY!  I thought the point of making a guy was so I didn’t have bacteria. I didn’t think I was supposed to use this loop tool to colonize it!  I don’t even have this loopy tool thing that I’m supposed to make scratches with!  Now I’m right back where I started at another brick wall. Ah Fuck it! I’m just putting a drop of spore solution on one dish and a drop of LC  in another and see what happens!
That’s all I thought I was supposed to be doing.




Agar is a predictable 2D surface to grow stuff on. It's a good way to start growth from potentially unclean sources as it allows for easier identification of myc and contam. Once both have been ID'd you can, with a high degree of confidence, move the growth you want to another clean plate leaving behind any contam. On the second plate you can then continue you to grow the sample, hopefully without any of the contam that appeared on the first plate.

The loop allows you to spread whatever it is you put on agar around, again in a controlled and predictable manner. This is commonly done in a certain pattern that allows you to a have a 'gradient' of concentration from point A to point B. With a higher concentration of 'stuff' at point A. As the streak moves towards point B the hope is that everything becomes spread out, making it easier to discern between contam and myc.

It's not so much that you are deliberatley contaminating your plates, but you are accpeting that the spore solution or spore print may well be contaminaed. So you are using the agar to seperate desired growth from contam, through streaking and transfers.

I'm typing this out as I'm supposed to be working! haha. Hope it helped!


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    #27156318 - 01/18/21 11:23 PM (7 days, 14 hours ago)

Dude! Absolutely perfect. Yes it did help and it helped a lot. You explain to me exactly what was going on in that guys diagrams. I guess what I don’t understand is what the scratches are for and I don’t understand why they intersect and I don’t understand why they go around the outside of the dish.
Unfortunately my impatience got the best of me and of course I know best…a little Sarcasm there...and I went ahead and put a drop of the MSS on a plat, actually three plates And another drop on another plate of an LC. Hopefully I get from mycelium  going and I’ll be able to make up some of my own clean LCs and I will be able to inoculate some grain with agar and all the other things that we do with agar. Thanks for taking the time to explain that to me. Especially while you were at work. I very much appreciated that. ✌🏻💚🙏🏻😆🍄


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27156674 - 01/19/21 05:13 AM (7 days, 8 hours ago)

The different streak patterns are just that, different patterns, all aiming to do the same thing. The simplest streak would be a single line across the plate, next maybe a zig-zag, which increases the length of the streak, spreading the 'stuff' out further. Beyond that you can create longer streaks, many different streaks, and so on, all aiming to spread things out in a predictable manner.

See a bunch of stuff growing where you didn't streak? Chance are it's not what you want!

At the end of the day you don't need to streak, but it helps, your plates may very well produce nice healthy myc! Only time will tell.

If you're anything like me you'll charge ahead, mixing a bunch of half read teks, have a mix of success and failure before finally settling down and actually following one tek to the tee and getting results! Hah! You just got to burn off some of the 'fresh out the gates' energy.

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    #27157156 - 01/19/21 12:17 PM (7 days, 1 hour ago)

Good morning LT,
    I wanted to ask you why it’s preferred to use the polyfill over the micropore tape? (Which I doubled up BTW.) With the the LC that I used, it was just over 24 hours and I already see mycelium starting to grow! I was and am amazed. I pray that all those jars of wheat berry colonize without any contaminants. So right now on the burner, I have,...14 BRF cakes, I have 6 quarts of inoculated  wheatberries on the burner, and I have 20 agar plates poured with four of them inoculated with 3 different types of strains or species. I’m not sure which word is the proper term...Strain? Species? I will guess the species is Psilocybe Cubensis and the strain is PE, APE, GT, etc...Which reminds me, have you ever heard of a strain with these initials because this is one of what was given to me...B.D.S.K.???
So I went from this super confused overwhelmed guy to having almost every iron in the fire involved with the mycology world...,well, not even close but I’m guessing you get the point. Haha. This is one of the reasons why I was so frustrated. Because I’m far from an idiot and of all the different types of knowledge in this world biology, Science, anatomy, physiology, health, nature, etc. etc. is my best subject. In high school I always had A’s in science and then I went to a tech college to get my RN, starting as a surgical tech, and I had highest grades in my class.(no exaggeration) It’s a long story why I never finished but I was 3 months away from graduation when my word crumbled. (Thru no fault BUT my own). On top of that, I’m a professional gardener by trade these days and for the first half of my life I was a chef and just in case you didn’t know cooking involves following recipes and directions. So you put all that education and trades together and you should have one almost perfect amature mycologist. Wouldn’t you agree? For the most part, humans are our own worst enemy. I have a tendency of over complicating things. And my pride can always trip me up. That little voice in my head telling me...what is wrong with you EE! you’re not an idiot! you should know how to do this!
Anyway, I really hope I’m well on my way. I know that this involves failure before success or at least failure involved with success just to word it on a more positive manner. Thanks again for your help and patience LT. I hope I can still count on you down the road because the whole Rison looks like a whole new unexplored world! Lol. One question before I end this book. It says to store the agar dishes upside down for condensation purposes. Can you store the already inoculated ones upside down for the same purpose or will that mess up the growth in the dish? I stack them on top of each other as I was pouring them but some of them still got condensation.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27157209 - 01/19/21 12:48 PM (7 days, 36 minutes ago)

Hey Brutha, well if you’re a dude! Lol. Sorry if you’re not.  Thanks again for the reply. I appreciate all the help I can get and I understand that people are busy.  Yes I would say I am like you and I will charge ahead. The only thing I did correctly on here when it came to listening to directions and suggestions was I started with the PF Tek. I wanted to just skip right over that and go to grain and bulk. However, if you go back through my post you will see all the people who attempted to help me while I was freaking out and so overwhelmed and they all suggested that I start there. Oh man, I was a mess when I first came on here. I was whining and bitching and moaning on how I couldn’t find anything on here and I couldn’t use the search engine… And I still can’t! LOL. I am extremely impatient when it comes to stuff like this and patience is one of the main things you need to be in mycology. It’s the fucking worst! You have to do all this work and you have to wait weeks to find out if you did it right. That is horrible! I mean that’s the worst! The best thing these guys did for me was not give me easy answers every time. They made me look them up and then ask questions. In doing so it let me down many rabbit holes and I read things that I didn’t really need at the time which eventually came full swing adding to pieces of the puzzle. I’m sure you understand. I was told to stay off of YouTube because the majority of their practices to say the least… Hacks! Well going on YouTube  help me out immensely because I was able to connect the dots by watching procedures. Trying to read directions on here without knowing even the vocabulary (especially the tons of abbreviations!!) made it hard to understand directions so by watching it helps to fill in the blanks. Also by watching YouTube it showed me what not to do. Instagram helped a lot because I can ask a question and get an answer immediately. Not for nothing but there are some pretty professional mycologists on Instagram. Because they show pictures of their labs and their results it’s pretty easy to distinguish between a hack and a pro. I noticed that you’ve only been out here for under a year. Have you been doing this a while and before you got on the Shroomery. I guess once I start playing with the agar I will try making the scratches and see what happens. Is there a different tool I can use to substitute for the one that they are talking about with the loop? Thanks again for all your help and sorry for the book I just wrote. I can be long-winded  Lol :thanx:


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27157506 - 01/19/21 03:26 PM (6 days, 21 hours ago)

I believe most people use polyfil over micropore due to it being cheaper and easier to find. Don’t quote me on that though :smile:

You don’t have to store your agar upside down I leave an extra poured Petri on top of my stack if I have condensation which just moves the condensation to the sides( try to pour the agar at perfect temperature to cut back on condensation/ before it starts getting thick again). Storing them upside down won’t affect the growth of the mycelium.
Uhm I’m not so sure on a substitution for an inoculation loop other then you can make your own? I just bought one for a couple dollars on Amazon lol.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: Fungi Rogers]
    #27161813 - 01/21/21 05:50 PM (4 days, 19 hours ago)

I’m not sure where I’m supposed to post this in order for me to get some help with it so I just thought I would post it where I have been posting. I’m not sure if this is contaminant or if it is actual rust spots from water and the minerals in the vermiculite because I actually had this rust colored spot before The mycelium started growing but it never really grew but now it is and it’s growing with the mycelium. The mycelium  itself looks healthy. HELP. I pray that this is not a contaminant.  I would at least like to have a successful TF Tech and then get my failures as I drive more complicated stuff. I don’t wanna have a failure right off the bat!  These jars were inoculated on January 9. HELP! HELP!
PS.... don’t mind the black permanent marker drawn on the outside of the jars I was just marking where the last mycelium  growth was so I could gauge how quickly it was growing. I marked those two days ago so it’s growing pretty quickly.



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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27161896 - 01/21/21 06:25 PM (4 days, 18 hours ago)

Looks like when I overcooked my jars, the bottom edge got a little toasty.
If it's changing size/shape though it's likely metabolites and/or contamination.


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    #27161981 - 01/21/21 07:15 PM (4 days, 18 hours ago)

I wish that’s what it was. Unfortunately it was not there from the beginning. But it was there before. And it looked like some of the vermiculite granules. That’s why I’m leaning towards oxidize minerals. Or metabolites like you said. I guess time will tell. If it’s a bacteria or a mold it will start taking over her my mycelium . Correct?


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27162107 - 01/21/21 08:28 PM (4 days, 16 hours ago)

I can’t believe I figured out how to do this but I found this post and I dragged it over to here.
Besides this post there was another one where it was suggested that while drilling the lids fine metal dust fibers and shrap could’ve been in the bottom of the jar and rusted. Plausible as well. However I’m going with the following link.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16038384#16038384


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27162364 - 01/21/21 10:45 PM (4 days, 14 hours ago)

Hopefully all turns out well for you man! Just gotta power through you’ll definitely know if you start smelling anything weird or they start getting excessively different


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: Fungi Rogers]
    #27162462 - 01/21/21 11:35 PM (4 days, 13 hours ago)

Well if they go south I have Plan B going on. I have 6 quart jars of wheat berry inoculated and it’s colonizing as we speak. The white stuff is spreading!

@whoever. I inoculated my agar almost a week ago and so far I am not seeing any bacterial growth. However the condensation is ridiculous and making it very challenging to see anything in detail. I have been keeping them in a temperature between 75 and 80°  Now that the liquid culture and spore liquid has dried or stop rolling around or wherever it went I turn them upside down to see if it would help with the conversation so I can get a better visual. Any advice? Thank you. Y’all have a great day God bless


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27163026 - 01/22/21 09:49 AM (4 days, 3 hours ago)

The joy of the PF tek is that if the jars do look a little suspect you can top fruit them. That way you still get mushrooms and limit the spread of water contam you think may be present.


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    #27163800 - 01/22/21 05:25 PM (3 days, 20 hours ago)

It's probably fine. I've had some verm that gave some bacteria looking red reactions to. Ride it out, worst case you top fruit bacterial jars.


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    #27164438 - 01/22/21 10:28 PM (3 days, 14 hours ago)

Thank you. I guess that means spawning these to bulk is out of the question!? Unless it really is rust. Which I still haven’t ruled out.


Please have a look at these. Because of the condensation I don’t know what I’m looking at. I also don’t know what I’m looking at just because… I don’t know what I’m looking at! LOL. It’s the first time I’ve ever worked with agar. If I were to guess I would say everything growing in there is bacterial and not mycelium.



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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27164496 - 01/22/21 11:02 PM (3 days, 14 hours ago)

For the record, most of my PF Tek half pint jars have rusty bottom edges from drilling holes with the lids on.
I even pulled them out today and attempted to clean them up with varying results. I think steel wool is needed.


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    #27165556 - 01/23/21 04:28 PM (2 days, 20 hours ago)

Maybe the bottom right hand corner this may be an exception.


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    #27165876 - 01/23/21 07:32 PM (2 days, 17 hours ago)

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Thank you. I guess that means spawning these to bulk is out of the question!? Unless it really is rust. Which I still haven’t ruled out.


Please have a look at these. Because of the condensation I don’t know what I’m looking at. I also don’t know what I’m looking at just because… I don’t know what I’m looking at! LOL. It’s the first time I’ve ever worked with agar. If I were to guess I would say everything growing in there is bacterial and not mycelium.






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