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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: fahtster]
#27261587 - 03/20/21 09:20 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I knew it! That’s the reason why I took it off. When I saw how long they were I assumed that they were aggressively reaching for air. I had read that hack somewhere and cuz I had so many tubs going I thought I’d try it. Once you told me it’s no good I immediately took it off the APE tub. Well I’m kind of disappointed with my Tasmanians. Because of the large pinset that I had I thought I was going to have a gorgeous first flush. Well I guess the amount it’s good but they’re all short. I don’t know sure if they’re supposed to be small but I don’t think so. I thought I remember reading that they were a larger fruit. These are only 5 inches tall.. what say you my friend? 
 Look at those little shorties. Bunch of the caps are open and it’s time to harvest them. Which actually brings me to another question. Should I wait for the majority of the fruits to mature before I start plucking them or should I do them individually and as they become ready and as the veil breaks so they don’t drop spores.? I’ve read some mixed information on this.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27261612 - 03/20/21 09:42 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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It could be genetic but could also be that the sub was a bit too wet.. I’m sure the late casing didn’t help with that.. the top of your sub probably soaked up a good amount of the water from the casing via gravity and it just sitting on top. That’s alright though.. just means your second flush will be pretty much hydrated enough already and not much will be needed to get a nice second. I’m leaning towards too wet... you can tell by how the caps on the mature ones have a wavy/bumpy look to them.. that’s a sign of over-hydration.
One thing you can do that’s really easy is just take a scissors and cut just the caps off the ones that are open; leaving the stem (the stems will be fine cap less for the next day or so it takes for the rest of the fruits to mature). And then print the caps so you have prints of them (to trade or go back to spores if you so choose). If you’re going to print them, I’d make sure they start dropping spores first.. easy way to tell is if there’s spores starting to appear on top of the caps in little swirls.
You’re gonna wish you hadn’t added the casing when it comes to harvesting the tub lol. There’s gonna be a lot of casing material stuck to the bottoms of the stems... I’d use a scissors to cut the fruits at sub level (unless they just pull right off the sub with little effort). I wouldn’t worry about cleaning most of the casing off until after you dry them. There’s a neat little trick where, after they’re dry, you put them into a large ziplock with a lot of air in it and then shake the shit out of the bag for like a minute... the dry fruits will knock the casing material off of each other while they’re flying around in the bag (like a rock tumbler)... then just knead all the loose casing material down to one corner of the bag and take out the clean fruits.. works like a dream.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: fahtster]
#27261683 - 03/20/21 10:37 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Omg Faht! You’re the best. You’ve got such spot on guidance man. Thank you. I kind of already knew that overhydration was the reason for the shorties. I’m not kidding when I tell you that all I do every waking moment that I’m not working or working with new guys in recovery is read read read and talk to people online about mushy’s! Lol. I’ve definitely got the bug and I’m hooked however I believe this is a healthy hobby. So what I’m saying is in all of my studies I’ve learned that not only under hydrating for over hydrating can affect the size of your fruits and then the wavy caps. I knew that the kissing layer was pretty moist so I cracked my lid to help get rid of the extra moisture. All of the tubs that I cased I thought they were a little wet so I cracked all the lids.
 While I’m showing pictures… Here’s one of my testicles envy! LOL what do you think of the substrate? When the hell is this shit going on knot up and produce the regular fruits?! Haha! The shoebox with the illusion weavers that were reaching for the sky due to oxygen deprivation are just incredible! The bubble wrap has not been on there for at least for five days. The myc is so thick it looks like I’m growing white lettuce. I mean just take a peek at that stuff! I’ve never seen anything like it. Then last but not least on the show and tell that agar dish is a liquid culture test plate. Again I have never seen myc grow like that. It grew in spots but that’s all it did. It stopped. I had a little spikey rizo. tentacles covering the surface and that was that. I don’t believe it’s bacteria. But you tell me. This concludes my show and tell episode. Thank you for coming and I hope you enjoyed the show.
PS: Way ahead head of you brother. I’m already picturing what a pain in the ass it’s going to be harvesting with all that substrate sticking to everything. However I do like your method. It’s almost like how you do hard boiled eggs with the shake and tumble method! Nice trick. Thanx for sharing, ur genius!
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27261736 - 03/20/21 11:15 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I did enjoy it! You might not see regular pins til the second flush, after those balls have been harvested. The sub could be putting all its energy into the testies. You’ll know when the balls are getting close to done when they start turning blue.. haha.. blue balls. Your casing myc might also start turning blue around the balls or just in general.. that’s normal. The balls are sucking up all the water around them. After you harvest the PE tub, some ppl float the sub for around an hour or two but I like to just soak the casing layer with water and then do the same the next day and then let it go for a 2nd after that. I feel like the float can leech nutes from the sub but both methods work.
Is that shoebox the UB’s? The spikes myc can also be a result of bacterial infection and if it’s UB, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s badly infected. Again, looks neat but not what you want to see your substrates do.
It’s hard to see what’s going on with that plate but looks like decent growth, but it’s blurry so I can’t say much on it. If there’s no bacteria growing, I’d say it’s good to go.
Thanks for the updates.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: fahtster]
#27261783 - 03/20/21 11:53 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yup yup. That is the uncle Ben’s! Damn! Im gonna get this damn uncle B Tek to grow yet! What do you expect for a hack Tek? Lol. That was a pretty good comedy on the ball Faht. Had me laughing. Oh yes before I forget that dude who is working on the Broke Boi Tek that you were coaching.… He just revealed he’s grown Hawaiian PEs and his substrate is damn near fully colonized. I don’t know if he’s aware which I don’t think he is but I gave him the link to TedDead. Check him out if you haven’t already.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27261923 - 03/20/21 12:37 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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PES Hawaiian isn’t a PE variety.. it’s just a normal cube. I let him know. Pes stands for pacific exotic spores I believe.. it’s an old vendor iirc. Sometimes they’ll just be called Hawaiian or PESH.. same vendor pesa is from... pacific exotic spores Amazon.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: fahtster]
#27261939 - 03/20/21 12:47 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Great! And that’s exactly why I notified you in case I was giving him the wrong information. I’ve got so many tubs going I forgot all about these two. These are both penis envy and they were born on the 12th and the 13th. I do not wanna make the same mistake twice so I want to make sure I can use them at the appropriate time. Watcha think professor?
 The one on the left was done on the 12th and the one on the right was obviously born on the 13th.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27261952 - 03/20/21 12:54 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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The day they turn completely white on top, case them. For my tubs @1:2, that’s usually on day 4-5 after spawning. This is what 1 of mine looked like on day 4 after spawning right when I add the 1st casing layer (there’s no top layer.. that’s why it’s different looking than yours)

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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: fahtster]
#27261968 - 03/20/21 01:02 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wow that’s some healthy myc. That’s how mine looked when I first cased it but it had been like that for several days so obviously I was too late. If I remember it was like that for almost a week. Anyway that’s why I posted those last two pictures because there is growth wall-to-wall but not dense myc. So yeah it’s fully colonized as far as square inches but not volume. Now I know! Plus I cast that first tub in coco coir. Thanks again for the knowledge you’re the best man.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27262004 - 03/20/21 01:27 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah I know you put a top layer on there.. I’ve definitely cased over top layers on some tester containers and it worked well.. it was just a bit slower but not by much at all.
These were the lil glad containers I did of PE when I was testing out teds casing strategy.. the bottom right one is the one that I added a top layer to and the rest were cased without one

With the top layer, I treat it as if it’s then part of the sub... so when that become fully colonized, I case... don’t worry about the thickness of the myc.. some cultures just grow thinner than others.. if there’s myc running through it, to me that’s fully colonized.. denseness doesn’t matter. I’d case no later than 7 days after spawning if I put a top layer on or just don’t use one.. I haven’t had any tubs go south because I didn’t cover the grains with PE
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: fahtster]
#27262515 - 03/20/21 09:09 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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@Fahtster, I harvested that tub of Tasmanians and posted a picture.of the empty tub I’m not sure what I’m supposed to do with this at this point. I was hoping you could give me some detailed directions on how I get moving towards the second flush. Please and thank you no hurry at your leisure. Thanks so much Faht.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27262553 - 03/20/21 09:48 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Let’s see if I can pull,it up
 Well that’s what it looks like now all shredded and picked
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27262561 - 03/20/21 09:53 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey Ernie. In regards of the what next question after harvest. I fill my shoeboxes with some water and then place another one on top to submerge the substrate it water. I do it for about 3 hours but I believe the time varies with monos. Some people will just pour water on top of it and let the sub soak it up. And others will just mist it really heavy or float the sub for a while.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: Fungi Rogers]
#27262582 - 03/20/21 10:28 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: fahtster]
#27265091 - 03/22/21 08:54 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wow you two, this thread has answered soOooo many of my questions! I am loving the detail I've not been able to find anywhere else and have similar concerns and questions like proper fruit size, wetness; when, how to harvest, how to prevent next time, what affect they'll have on the tub regarding what I call blobs and you call balls (not sure if they're the same though, yours look a bit different). I've got four firstever 66q Pastywyte Ez tubs going. I need to harvest one with some fruits whose veils have opened while leaving the immature ones unharmed (that's a little concerning because it's pretty tight in the tub and I've never done this before). I hope I'm not hurting the tub in some way by waiting until tomorrow!
Could I ask some questions brought up by comments in this thread? I'm still learning all this online etiquette (searching, shroomery language, where to post, etc.) and on top of that I am new to this hobby and all on my own with no scientific or cultivating knowledge or background. I've been reading everything I can find on this site though! Boy, can that be overwhelming
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: Threads2theSoul]
#27265552 - 03/23/21 06:59 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I went thru the same thing brother. It can be a bit overwhelming.
@Fahtster. That uncle Ben’s shoebox is out of control! It looks like I’m growing lettuce! Lol it is the strangest mycelium am I’ve ever grown!

One of the last questions I asked you was I wasn’t sure if my PE tub was ready to case yet because it had mycelium from wall-to-wall but it was very very thin and I thought I understood you telling me no it wasn’t ready and then you showed me a picture. Your next post was telling me anytime after seven days and not to worry about thickness so now I’m kind of unsure if I should be kissing these tubs. I have a couple of PE tubs and they’re both covered wall-to-wall.
@Fungi Rogers. Thank you for your advice in guidance as I’m sure you already know I can use any and all guidance. Hope you’re doing well buddy and having lots of fun these days.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27265622 - 03/23/21 07:59 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry.. don’t mean to be confusing.. pictures can be deceiving because it looks different with and without the flash or in person or our ideas of thin and thick could be different. Sometimes, especially with PE I’ve grown, myc doesn’t grow in super thick.. it stays wispy. However, I’d case between 4-7 days after the tub is spawned for the first layer.. whenever it becomes fully colonized. You have the tub in front of you so you’d know when it’s colonized more than I would
The second layer, you can put on anywhere between 20% - 100%.. this is for grain subs. Crumbled cake subs might act differently and take longer, idk.. I’ve only ever done 1 crumble cake sub and it was a single cake lol. The main thing for PE is get the casing on there within the first week and get the thickness to around 1” before it starts pinning. I can get long winded so don’t let me confuse you just stick to that guideline and you’ll be alright.
How’s the testicle tub doing?
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: fahtster]
#27265668 - 03/23/21 08:23 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I harvested the testicle tub and sliced them up and dried them. They were starting to soften up. I hope I didn’t pick them too soon only for potency reasons. But here’s what it looks like now and the uncle Ben’s. Also this is how the apes are looking as well. The stems are looking a little thin if you ask me so I’ve been trying to get a lot of FAE in there.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27265787 - 03/23/21 09:53 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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That UB box looks nuts. Reminds me of Lion's mane that doesn't have enough air. Or enigma. (it's not either of these, just saying it looks like it)
I haven't experienced it, but I have heard it's possible to get a culture that just doesn't fruit at all.
If you just shot spores into a UB bag it wouldn't possibly be a monoculture though, so it's probably just climbing for life trying to escape some contaminant.
I don't know that there's anything you can do other than wait.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: karri0n]
#27265804 - 03/23/21 10:03 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Actually I shot a liquid culture into a UB bag and it colonized it very aggressively. When I took it out it was a solid white mass very hard in all the way through. I had originally put bubble wrap on it just as an experiment and when I saw grasping for some air I took it off. It’s been off for at least a week now and it has the cover loosely laid on it , not clipped. But it is freaking nuts it looks like I’m growing white lettuce! Lol. I guess I’m just gonna wait and see what they’ll happen to do it she’s confident.
So I just cased one of my PE tubs but it’s a 15 qt Shoebox or 14 L which ever you prefer. It is un-modified. Because I was told to put it into fruiting conditions once I case it...well that’s kind of hard to do when I don’t have any holes in the sides. So I’m guessing I should just leave clips off of it and fan it periodically without missing it because the casing layer is moist enough...in my opinion. Lol


Well Faht..., I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say this is ready to be cased and I’m gonna take the clear packing tape off the holes and replace it with micropore tape. I figure if it’s the wrong move and I can always put the tape back on and it looks fully colonized to me. Please Let me know what you think and of course at your convenience please and thank you. Hope you’re having an awesome day. I have to get my ass out the door and go do some work and stop obsessing on my mushies. Working for yourself has its pros and cons it has a lot of cons when you’re on discipline though!! Lol. Peace, love, and mycelium Brutha!
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