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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: fahtster]
#27252855 - 03/14/21 05:59 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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These are two pictures of the tub that started this whole thing. I case them and patched the couple of pieces that colonized thu to the top of the casing layer. And now the only myc visible is underneath the surface like you said. So I think I’m understanding it. The myc I see below I leave alone because it’s not growing on top of the casing. That’s the “tight part” or am I supposed to taste that again? If I was to guess and if I’m understanding you correctly then the answer would be no. If I am supposed to please tell me so. It would be a waste of I’ve had all this schooling and still be wrong. Not because of the results just because of all the time that would have been wasted and I still don’t know what the fuck I’m doing!
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27252868 - 03/14/21 06:22 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah so if that’s the before pic and what it looks like now is what the left side looks like in those pics, the patching is what you’d do as myc breaks through the uncolonized casing on top. You basically make it look like it’s solid casing again by putting thin casing material over the myc. Eventually the myc will stop breaking through and “tighten” up around the casing material on top of it... kind of grab it instead of colonize through it. You’re right.. you’ll just have to see it to know exactly what I’m talking about.
You don’t have to baby sit it and patch as every little bit breaks though.. you can wait a day or two and then just cover the larger pieces that are showing.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: fahtster]
#27252909 - 03/14/21 07:09 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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No no that’s not before and after. That’s the same tub just taking twice from two different distances. One was clearer than the other so I just posted both. Yes so at one point that entire tub was white and then I cased it. And then some patches grew all the way through to the top again and I patched them and now the whole right side is white but underneath and around just like you said it didn’t go through all the way to the top. There were some patches on the left that came through all the way to the top and they patched them. So I think I got it Faht and it’s all thanks to you! I really think I understand it 100% at this point. It’s about fucking time!! Lol. You poor soul. I tortured you!
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27252964 - 03/14/21 07:59 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can also just move that uncolonized casing on the left over to the colonized parts on the right (patch it with the casing on the left side).. just move it over with your clean/gloved finger so that the casing all colonizes at the same time. All that white on the right side can/should have casing on it like the left side does. If you have multiple tubs that you’re casing like this, you can play with different ways to patch or not patching and see how they turn out..
You’re not going to mess them up. Like I said, if you end up with less pins on one, they’ll probably just grow bigger.. the main thing is to end up with ~1” casing. As long as the spawn was clean and the casing is pasteurized, it’s going to be hard to fuck up
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: fahtster]
#27253528 - 03/15/21 07:46 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Got it! Your the best Brutha. What does that mean? I should have less than an inch? What you wrote looks like this… ( ~1” )
By the way I went over onto that other page where I lost my cool and it seems the other fellas that were there were unsure about the same exact things that I was unsure about. I should’ve just kept my mouth shut, sat back, and listened… Well read of course. Because they were asking exactly what I was thinking. Lol. I’m glad I get my side of the street clean and apologized for my wrongdoing. I don’t particularly care for myself when I behave like that.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27253563 - 03/15/21 08:04 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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That means around an inch, inch +... Ted has a pic in his OP at the bottom that shows how thick the casing ends up being at harvest.
All good.. water under the bridge. You have the same affliction we all do.. you’re human.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: fahtster]
#27253708 - 03/15/21 09:49 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh yeah I suffer from that bad.… Being human lol Anyways, guess what!?… I get up this morning and I went over to take your suggestion and move the casing over to the right and low and behold I have these giant fruits pushing their way through the mic. At least that’s what they look like they’re doing. They don’t look like they’re growing on top. They look like they push their way through it… If that makes any sense. The majority of them are on the sides but there are three or four of them in the middle. They are a little smaller than a dime No I’m not sure what to do with the casing. If they’re already fruiting I might as well let them rip and let the fresh air in! Watcha think about thatMr Fahtster?!?!



God I wish I was more teck savvy! I have yet to figure out how to go into my pictures and grab multiple at once and post them. The only way I can do it is if I’m uploading them and grabs them all at once. But once they’re in my file here I can’t select them all. Anyway here’s a couple of them Out of curiosity… What part of the country are you from? I’m in NewEngland. I ask because of the time zones. You seem to be up when I’m up. So I was guessing you’re on the East Coast as well.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27253790 - 03/15/21 10:42 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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That’s great! Shouldn’t be long now until you can harvest. Can stop patching now too. Just leave the tub and let it do it’s thing.. if they’re blobs, they’ll grow bigger too.. same with pins and it doesn’t matter that they push through or grow on top.. you don’t need to do anything but wait to pick now.. with that tub. Was it the pf cake one?
I just have weird sleep schedules lol
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: fahtster]
#27253886 - 03/15/21 12:22 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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No this one was taken all the way from agar to grain (popcorn) . I thing is I don’t see any other pins or knots. I had a note saying that that was coming because like I said they came from under. So what I’m gonna do now is take the second layer of micropore tape so it gets more air. Plus I think the micropore tape I was using was very fabricy and thick. It’s strange. It’s 3M brand and it says micro pour on the inside spool. But there’s 2 inch wide rule that I have is the same thing. 3M and says micropore what is more paper like in clearly let’s more air through than this stretchy fabricy type. Idk. What I’m saying is… At this stage of the game it needs FAE plus it seems very wet in there. If you look at the pictures the core in the casing it’s very dark. Plus we got a wicked cold snap going on up here in New England. It’s in the teens and this converted summer house I live in is poorly insulated so I had to break out a space heater to keep those guys at 75+. Are these all things I should be doing? Thank you Faht!
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27253896 - 03/15/21 12:28 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Definitely increase FAE you got it.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: fahtster]
#27254201 - 03/15/21 03:47 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice! Ok I’ve now have another issue and I had the same problem last time. I can not get these two cakes to produce. They were birthed on 3/6!!!! Last month I had one lonely cake that I tried to work all by itself and I had the same problem. I ended up shredding it and sticking it in a rotisserie chicken box end it produced a ton of fruit. I actually gave it to a friend of mine and now he’s hooked he can’t wait to start growing! LOL Yep he’s got the bug he sends me pictures every day. As you can see by the pics it’s got plenty of moisture it gets plenty of light and it’s 75°. The moisture evaporates, I mist, I fan. I DONT KNOW! Sometimes I think to myself if I can’t even grow using the simple in the original PF Tek I better hang it up! Lol. I’m just kidding of course. But for real. It’s been nine days since they were birth they should’ve started pinning in 3-5 days.
 Here they are these stubborn little bastards.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27254347 - 03/15/21 04:52 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just gotta wait it out.. can’t really force stuff to fruit.. sometimes it can take weeks for a pf sub to pin.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: fahtster]
#27254643 - 03/15/21 07:54 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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The bigger the brf cake is, the longer it will take to consolidate, or "chew" on the nutrients.
Brf cakes are slooooowwwww. Even once fully colonized they need about 1/3 to 1/4 of the time it took for them to colonize, and then even longer to colonize the outer verm layer. This is one of the reasons it's recommended to keep them small.
A half pint cake calls for 1 week of consolidation after it's been fully colonized. Usually it takes 2-4 weeks for it to colonize.
Then there's a wait for pinning once the consolidation is done.
I'm not sure what size these patties are, but I'd expect they need to consolidate and also just wait.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: karri0n]
#27254954 - 03/16/21 12:21 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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They are about 5.5”x 4”x 2“ deep maybe 1 1/2 inches deep. If you look at the picture you will see a red sharpie marker for size reference. I bought the book a while back called the psilocybin mushroom Bible by Virginia Haze and Dr. K mandrake PhD. They were saying once the cakes are birthed that they take about 3 to 5 days… Apparently they are way off. They better check their facts/resources ! Lol.
One thing I did not do was drill holes in the bottom of that 12 quart shoebox. I just did a couple of rows of them above of perlite. Big small big small big small all the way around.
And a much more positive note. Besides my premature penis envy fruiting escapade its neighboring towns with Tasmanian has started pinning as well. Funny thing is I thought I would try kissing them since I was casing the PEs to see if I could I will encourage and even pins it with them I guess I was wrong because they are coming up prematurely as well and now have to grow through the casing! WTF?! I’m going to guess that it’s not going to harm anything. It’s just going to have sporadic fruiting. I’m looking forward to my flushes when they all come up at once. Hense....an EVEN PINSET! Lol. However I am not complaining because I have mushrooms growing without contamination! That there is an accomplishment. Lol. It’s all because of the people on here putting up with my crazy rants! Thank you.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27254990 - 03/16/21 01:07 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pins coming up through the casing is totally normal.. just means the knots formed within the layer. Try not to worry so much. Sometimes, even when you do everything completely right, it’ll turn out differently than you expected.. happens a lot.. mushrooms are pretty unpredictable for the most part.. you should get use to it otherwise you’re going to be freaking out all the time

You can also have some early birds that form way ahead of a nice pin set..

When you’re as new to this as you are, best to keep expectations low and just treat everything as a learning experience.. watch what happens and learn from it. No substitute for experience
And just because you got pins before 3 weeks doesn’t mean it’s premature.. just means you have a fast culture in there. 3 weeks is just a general timeline to get you ready for possibly waiting that long if not longer, but like I said, they’re unpredictable.. especially if you’re using an ms culture.. anything can happen. If you want consistency, best to clone a fruit and stick with that culture so you can learn how it acts/reacts to your environment
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: fahtster]
#27255396 - 03/16/21 09:37 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh man! Great stuff Faht! Your advice is always spot on man much appreciated. I wouldn’t say I’m freaking out. I’m just questioning it and trying to understand it. I pretty much already know that they can be unpredictable especially if you’re not familiar with the strain you’re working with. Once I do have an isolated culture and if I decide to stick with it I’m sure I can start looking for consistencies within. But I am not freaking out. I’m actually very happy that I have fruit without contamination. For the most part that is my overall goal at this point. To grow mushrooms without contamination is the name of the game. From that point I will focus on yields, size, and consistency. I got a kick out of how you called it early birds. Well according to my tub I got about 10 early birds that are coming up through the substrate. The majority of them are on the edges. I don’t know how I got so many side pins because the tub is lined. I will keep you posted. I can’t remember if I told you that the neighboring tub of Tasmanians is pinning as well. They have a case of keeping up with the Joneses! LOL this is fine with me they can copy their neighbors all they want… It is acceptable! Ha ha
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27255456 - 03/16/21 10:27 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sounds good
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: fahtster]
#27255649 - 03/16/21 01:36 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've heard bad things about that book in particular.
No clue with it personally really, but I DO know shroomery has more updated and accurate information than any published book.
I also know brf cakes take a while and are pretty unpredictable. Those are gonna be cool because they're wide and flat though.
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: karri0n]
#27255886 - 03/16/21 04:45 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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That’s precisely why I made them like that I figured if they were wide and flat but I made them thin that they would work perfect! Like I thought they would work way better than the pucks because look at that surface area. Do you think because I don’t have any holes drilled in the bottom like you’re supposed to do with a true SGFC that could be a reason? Or can you tell by looking at the outside layer that it’s just not there yet? Because as with most stuff I’m not sure what I am looking for because I have not seen it yet. Thanks for your response as you know I appreciate all the help I get. Peace love and mycelium!
@Fahtster: I kissed those Tasmanian just for shits and giggles to see if it would help with the pins it and boy I guess it did because there are a ton of pins coming through the casing layer. I’m hoping that the moisture and weight of that half-inch/ quarter inch casing layer isn’t going to hurt them. It’s not like they came up appropriately. These were definitely premature. The mic is not tightened up around the casing. It’s just laying on top of the mycelium and the pins are coming from that layer of myc and growing through the casing layer which is just loose soil at this point. ( jiffy seed starter) what’s the U father? Lol. Not a typo. Wink
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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
#27255921 - 03/16/21 05:25 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tasmanian are just a normal cube.. normal cubes usually pin within 2 weeks. You did a late casing.. should be fine.. just don’t over saturate that layer and it’ll be all good. Most all other cubes besides PE you can just do a top layer when you make the tub and that’ll be enough to get a nice pin set. You can case them but it’s just easier to do the top layer since you don’t have pasteurize the CV
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