|
Loaded Shaman
Psychophysiologist



Registered: 03/02/15
Posts: 8,006
Loc: Now O'Clock
Last seen: 1 month, 15 days
|
Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Dr. Delban]
#27086536 - 12/13/20 12:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Dr. Delban said: Having contrasted these two contradictive concepts of existence and non-existence, it always provided me with an instant, very overwhelming and powerful feeling of paradox of existence. I remember being a kid and closing my eyes, contrasting these two and getting a buzz of the paradox feeling which was always a very strong mind bending experience. Sometimes I would do this a few times a day. It would always hit me once I have gone through the exact same steps of imagining the ultimate void and then contrasting this with existence of everything that we know. I was my legal high... I think I may have approached a couple of people and tried talking about this back then, but they didn't quite understand what I was talking about and dismissed it as just some childish mumbling. I was disappointed because I thought it was obvious that everyone around me was doing the same thing and digging the same concepts.
Quote:
Loaded Shaman said: Short answer: No.
Longer answer: coming in a bit lol.
I really would like to hear your detailed view.
It only gets detailed when we ask more questions, which I always hope people do, here is my assertion:
You can't have an illusion, anomaly, etc. as your metaphysical primary.
Why? Because then that's the primary and would require a second level of abstraction to constitute illusion/anomaly, lol.
It's the same idea as video games; does 0 mean no lives left, or is 0 technically your LAST life?
Does that make any sense at all? I'll happily explicate I don't want to confuse unnecessarily lol.
--------------------
  "Real knowledge is to know the extent of one’s ignorance." — Confucius
|
sudly
Darwin's stagger

Registered: 01/05/15
Posts: 10,944
|
|
What question are you referring to?
-------------------- I am whatever Darwin needs me to be.
|
sudly
Darwin's stagger

Registered: 01/05/15
Posts: 10,944
|
Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
#27086580 - 12/13/20 01:11 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Rahz said:
Quote:
sudly said: Paul Dirac.
A void is not the absence of anything, and neither should it be defined as 'nothing' lol.
Hmm. Perhaps the idea of a void is based on the relational nature of energetic entanglement.
What does that mean?
Dirac just says particle types appear and anhialate eachother in a void.
-------------------- I am whatever Darwin needs me to be.
|
sudly
Darwin's stagger

Registered: 01/05/15
Posts: 10,944
|
Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27086581 - 12/13/20 01:12 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
OutsideOfMyMind said: White is the absence of color and reflects all light, whereas black absorbs all colors of the spectrum. Black itself is not a color on the color wheel, but it does represent all of the colors possible. Black is a shade, which makes colors lighter or darker. Brown is actually orange mixed with black.
With this in mind, any void is going to be white, since white is nothing but a reflection.
Wow, you've created a space of absolutely nothing!
-------------------- I am whatever Darwin needs me to be.
|
sudly
Darwin's stagger

Registered: 01/05/15
Posts: 10,944
|
Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
#27086582 - 12/13/20 01:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
You lost me at metaphysical primary.
-------------------- I am whatever Darwin needs me to be.
|
OutsideOfMyMind
LSD Self Administrative Director



Registered: 10/05/20
Posts: 5,439
Last seen: 1 hour, 50 minutes
|
Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
#27086603 - 12/13/20 01:59 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Don't feel so bad, I lost myself. I took a class in color theory a long time ago and I tried applying it to space but I don't really know where I was going with it. White light...... Black darkness...
Edited by OutsideOfMyMind (12/13/20 02:02 AM)
|
redgreenvines
irregular verb


Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,703
|
Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27086653 - 12/13/20 03:17 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
void is the empty cave, the bottle, the box. it is the essence of capacity, a volume of potential yet to be filled or not.
--------------------
_ 🧠 _
|
Yellow Pants


Registered: 05/14/17
Posts: 1,386
Loc:
|
Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: redgreenvines]
#27087069 - 12/13/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
sudly said: You lost me at metaphysical primary.
I believe he is referring to something that is not understood physically yet contains substance regardless. Substance in a meta physical sense he might say.
|
OutsideOfMyMind
LSD Self Administrative Director



Registered: 10/05/20
Posts: 5,439
Last seen: 1 hour, 50 minutes
|
Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Yellow Pants]
#27087357 - 12/13/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Wouldn't a true void be a vacuum? There is still air inside of an empty cave or an empty bottle. Air is made up of matter.
|
Rahz
Alive Again



Registered: 11/10/05
Posts: 9,247
|
Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
#27087388 - 12/13/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
sudly said:
Quote:
Rahz said:
Quote:
sudly said: Paul Dirac.
A void is not the absence of anything, and neither should it be defined as 'nothing' lol.
Hmm. Perhaps the idea of a void is based on the relational nature of energetic entanglement.
What does that mean?
Dirac just says particle types appear and anhialate eachother in a void.
String theory suggests space and time are emergent qualities of the interaction of quantum strings. The strings themselves describe relationships which give rise to space and time and the things within those dimensions. In this light, the void and the things in the void are both products of a process and cannot exist apart.
-------------------- rahz comfort pleasure power love truth awareness peace "You’re not looking close enough if you can only see yourself in people who look like you." —Ayishat Akanbi
|
redgreenvines
irregular verb


Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,703
|
Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
#27087886 - 12/13/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
i only rent space that is empty
--------------------
_ 🧠 _
|
frikiriki
Shroom Nerd

Registered: 11/04/20
Posts: 17
Last seen: 10 months, 5 days
|
Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Dr. Delban]
#27087943 - 12/13/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Ahhh.. this is a beautiful question. I feel as though some have experienced this void you speak of. To me, it is the beginning and the end. It is where "you" become nothing at all. Your memories and tethers to the physical reality fall away. There are times in your life where you may be able to "visit" the void. I wouldn't say it is the natural state of things...more like the birthplace, or "womb"... or tomb of the original soul.
I agree with your idea of the void being made up of nothing at all. You can visit, but you cannot stay. It is natural to remember your karmic cycles and be pulled back to physical reality. The journey is not done.
|
sudly
Darwin's stagger

Registered: 01/05/15
Posts: 10,944
|
Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27088174 - 12/14/20 01:59 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
OutsideOfMyMind said: Don't feel so bad, I lost myself. I took a class in color theory a long time ago and I tried applying it to space but I don't really know where I was going with it. White light...... Black darkness...
I am gobsmacked by the vacuous nature of quantum flapdoodlery.
-------------------- I am whatever Darwin needs me to be.
|
sudly
Darwin's stagger

Registered: 01/05/15
Posts: 10,944
|
Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
#27088176 - 12/14/20 02:02 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Yellow Pants said:
Quote:
sudly said: You lost me at metaphysical primary.
I believe he is referring to something that is not understood physically yet contains substance regardless. Substance in a meta physical sense he might say.
I believe he is spewing through his teeth.
-------------------- I am whatever Darwin needs me to be.
|
sudly
Darwin's stagger

Registered: 01/05/15
Posts: 10,944
|
Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
#27088187 - 12/14/20 02:21 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Correct me if you feel I've misinterpreted what you've said here,
Quote:
Rahz said: String theory suggests space and time are emergent qualities of the interaction of quantum strings.
It is suggested that quantum gravity has a relation and/or reliance on elements of string theory.
Quote:
Rahz said: The strings themselves describe relationships which give rise to space and time and the things within those dimensions.
Strings are the building blocks of particles.
Quote:
Rahz said: In this light, the void and the things in the void are both products of a process and cannot exist apart.
What process you're referring to is unclear to me, as well as what cannot exist apart is referring to.
This to me sounds like a platitude, e.g. Rain is a product of a process and cannot exist apart.
Maybe a cycle of voids is what you're referring too?
-------------------- I am whatever Darwin needs me to be.
|
Rahz
Alive Again



Registered: 11/10/05
Posts: 9,247
|
Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
#27088270 - 12/14/20 05:26 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I'm saying the void is a product of the same process that causes matter to form. It would be no more or less anomalous than existence of things.
And considering the subject it seems to be all platitudes.
-------------------- rahz comfort pleasure power love truth awareness peace "You’re not looking close enough if you can only see yourself in people who look like you." —Ayishat Akanbi
|
redgreenvines
irregular verb


Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,703
|
Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
#27088477 - 12/14/20 09:32 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I think it is a property of locus and time in relation to waves or particles in action.
--------------------
_ 🧠 _
|
sudly
Darwin's stagger

Registered: 01/05/15
Posts: 10,944
|
Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
#27089761 - 12/15/20 01:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Rahz said: I'm saying the void is a product of the same process that causes matter to form. It would be no more or less anomalous than existence of things.
And considering the subject it seems to be all platitudes.
What's the process that causes matter to form?
-------------------- I am whatever Darwin needs me to be.
|
redgreenvines
irregular verb


Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,703
|
Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
#27089932 - 12/15/20 06:26 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
energize
--------------------
_ 🧠 _
|
Pinkerton
Ultrasentient

Registered: 02/26/19
Posts: 3,196
|
Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: redgreenvines]
#27089955 - 12/15/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
This was an energizing post written 11 years 1 months ago by LunarEclipse. This was my first post on The Shroomery, written 9 years 11 months ago.
LunarEclipse knew about me before I joined the forums and at that time I had no idea who LunarEclipse was and what The Shroomery was.
Now tell me something extremely abnormal is not going on.
|
|