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verum subsequentis
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Re: Throw your jars away! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#27105002 - 12/23/20 10:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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@ a full gallon per bag? I cram them like a mofo. No way i could do more.
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I can easily fit 13 - 4 lb bags of bird seed in my 75x, as demonstrated in Teds tek.
Obviously, having fuller bags will mean less bags per cycle, but I like 4 lbs. it seems like the perfect amount for one tub. Oh and that’s without the liner in the 75x
What I haven’t figured out is if I should remove that hose thing attached to the vent...
Oh and shakedown, no, ziplock bags will not withstand PC temps while myco bags will.
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Oh, u can! I get 10-13 4qt bags in my 75x depending on my needs and 16 easily in the 941. I make my blocks bigger and use the barrel steamer for them

Theres 1 tub @ 4 qts... why use more ? Obviously its strain dependent but i used to use 5-8 qts and dont notice any yield decrease when using 4
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Re: Throw your jars away! [Re: TedsDead]
#27105044 - 12/23/20 11:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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TedsDead said:

Theres 1 tub @ 4 qts...
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That is the tub i posted in POTD last night
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Re: Throw your jars away! [Re: TedsDead]
#27105049 - 12/23/20 11:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just went back and looked at that tub... damn ted, talk about a packed house!
Good shit dude, what variety is that?
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That was pbr. Not my work. I just facilitated the growth
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verum subsequentis said: @ a full gallon per bag? I cram them like a mofo. No way i could do more.
Yeah it’s a full ass gallon bag for sure. Though I’m currently rocking a flash prep load wet prep on WBS which is perhaps allowing a little wiggle on the loading stage.
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Re: Throw your jars away! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#27105071 - 12/24/20 12:13 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Flash prep for WBS? That sounds interesting. I just started trying WBS made 20 jars to see how I like it. Only been using oats and they have been dependable but I keep hearing so many good things about WBS I had to try it out.
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verum subsequentis said: I put four full quarts in to each bag. Fold gussets as nicely as possible. 10 bags fit in my 941 and 9 in my 75x. Bottom three het the accordion fold and any bags on top of those jus get nicely rolled. Carefully place all bags in cookers without fucking up the gussets. Place lid on nice and level, turn heat on high, open stop cock and tighten lid. Wait for visible steam and then let steam for at least ten minutes. Once air is purged (10 minutes is over) close stop cock. Allow to come to 15 psi and set a timer for 3 and a half hours. Make adjustments as needed to keep pressure above 15 and under "caution". Once timer is over, kill heat. Walk away, crack a beer and check in on the ongoing coup. let it naturally come to pressure and then have another beer. Once mildly cooled I carry it to the flow (pre cleaned and running). I download bags With gloved and isoed hands. I also iso my hand up to the elbow. Stack in the flow and walk away. Have another beer. Come back and check the bag temps and realize they cool slow as fuck as my balls. Have another beer and then have another.... and another. Realize that you are now drunk and the bags still aren't cool. Go to bed and noc them up in the morning. LC does NOT LIKE going into hot bags. Grain to grain doesn't mind as much. The bags will read much hotter once mixed so... there's that too. The seal them with an impulse sealer. Tape, close pins, zip ties, bag clips.... can also work but a nice sealer is the shit.
Alright so in the last eight hours or so I have done up a bunch of reading on doing bags, now correct me if I'm wrong because that's why I'm here. I start with prepping my grains as I would any grain, this time I'll be using wheat. I have both "larger" (8"X5"X19") 3mil and "medium" (5"X"5X19") 2.5mil. I'm using my smaller bags for this attempt, which will be my first attempt by my lonesome here. I fill my bags, about 4qts per bag. A little more grain in one bag than another wont bother things too much I'm assuming. I know perhaps my bags are either bigger/smaller than yours and could fit perhaps more or less grain than 4qts, idk as I said first time with bags. I can use common sense with that bit. All my bags at this point get rolled up and sealed since I'll be using strictly liquid culture for these, administered via syringe(Thanks Blue Helix couldn't have without ye). There will be a double layer of rings on the bottom of my PC, along with its "canning plate" followed by my bags. Bottom bags get accordion folded, bags above these are to be wrapped filters inward. During this point I am to make sure all my bags are snug within the PC, I understand this is to prevent them from expanding and popping thus causing a big ol' mess. PC for about 3hrs, I have gathered PC time depends on how big your bags are. Stop me lads if I'm off the path, but otherwise am I on spot?
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Re: Throw your jars away! [Re: mushhead] 1
#27105702 - 12/24/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I fill my bags, about 4qts per bag. A little more grain in one bag than another wont bother things too much I'm assuming. True. Don't trip.
I know perhaps my bags are either bigger/smaller than yours and could fit perhaps more or less grain than 4qts, idk as I said first time with bags. I can use common sense with that bit. Yep. Glad you have some.
All my bags at this point get rolled up and sealed since I'll be using strictly liquid culture for these, administered via syringe(Thanks Blue Helix couldn't have without ye). There will be a double layer of rings on the bottom of my PC, along with its "canning plate" followed by my bags. Bottom bags get accordion folded, bags above these are to be wrapped filters inward. I only fold the bottom ones to keep them from sucking in water. If you have them up out of the water you can roll..... wait. You said you are pre sealing. Then it doesn't matter. you can just roll them all and jam them in. Be sure to press as much air out of them as reasonably possible before sealing. Air in the bags is not good.
During this point I am to make sure all my bags are snug within the PC, I understand this is to prevent them from expanding and popping thus causing a big ol' mess. It's definitely nice to get them all cozy. You don't have to though. I've cooked many an uncrammed bag in my day.
PC for about 3hrs, I have gathered PC time depends on how big your bags are. Yes, Think of it like cooking a squirrel vs cooking a moose. Which one takes a longer time in the oven to reach the required internal temp? When I started cramming bags everyone I knew that was "cramming" was cooking for four hours. Little by little folks started eeking down the time. Some do three now. I'm still stuck in my ways and like 3.5. I've heard folks talk about shorter times but haven't tested it out.
Stop me lads if I'm off the path, but otherwise am I on spot?
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Edited by verum subsequentis (12/24/20 12:06 PM)
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I really appreciate you verum, I appreciate the clarification as well, I am the kind to make sure I understand the process as thoroughly as possible. I've got grain in soaking and I'm going to give this give this a true batters swing. Bags have always intimidated me, glass is just so reliable.
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Re: Throw your jars away! [Re: mushhead]
#27106808 - 12/25/20 02:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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i appreciate that you appreciate me. It's nice to hear. Thanks.
Bags can be a little bit of a mind fuck but they are pretty simple really. I've had lots and lots of "oh fuck" moments with bags. When i got my 75x I exploded dozens and dozens of bags and couldn't figure out why. Finally, after talking with the folks that make the damn thing, we figured out there was a manufacturing error in the little whole they put the over pressure plug in. RTVed the sucker shut and never popped another bag.
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Thats a good tip for failing plugs I imagine. The rtv will give before anything else. I may use this. Very helpful and detailed sir
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Re: Throw your jars away! [Re: TedsDead]
#27106842 - 12/25/20 02:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Word. People are way too afraid of these things. Even the stopcock will blow way before anything else.
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Okay, so I gather that I should get the cellophane myco. bags with the filter patches already built-in before I try sterilizing bags for 3.5 hours in the PC. Or should I buy plain bags and add the filter patches myself ?
The only other thing I might need to buy is the electric impulse sealer to seal the top of the bag. Is this right? Should I do this BEFORE or AFTER sterilizing them in the PC ?
Would it be possible to inoculate the sterilized bags of grain with colonized agar, or is it MSS only?
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If you want to impulse seal the bags my recommendation is not to cheap out. I did and regretted it, just obtained a better unit and am happy I did. Otherwise I just used zip ties.
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Re: Throw your jars away! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#27107402 - 12/25/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Great! I didn't realize you could use zip ties. Thanks, Pastywhyte. What brand of electric impulse sealer do you recommend ? Should I seal the bag tops before pressure-cooking them, or after taking them out?
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Just bookmarking this one
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#27107414 - 12/25/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I got this but they are in short supply these days. It’s the AIE 305-HIM.
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