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OfflineFrankTriper
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    #27085035 - 12/12/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I found a few specimens of little brown mushrooms .I found a few in a field grazed by goats and sheep and a few in wood mulch
They looked almost exactly the same except for the fact that the ones found in grass where a bit darker in colour
I was almost sure that I had panaeolus cinctulus untill the darker specimens that were found in grass started bruising black and eventually turned almost completely black where as the ones found in mulch stayed the same colour I took a spore print but only managed to get one from the darker specimens and it was black. I was thinking that many the lighter specimens are some kind of panaleous and the darker ones might even be liberty caps that came out a bit weird

Habitat:
Dark specimen: in grass where goats and sheep were grazing
Lighter specimen: in wood mulch with horse dung near by.

Gills: they both had the same gills , light brown turning black with spores being released

Stem:I think they were both hollow they were very thin .they were both light brown but the dark specimens stems bruised completely black the next day

Cap:the caps were round or bell shaped different sizes with the same features when fresh but the ones from grass also turned back

Spore print: I only managed to get one on paper from the grass specimens ,it was black but I could clearly see that they both had black spores



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Re: ID Consult [Re: FrankTriper]
    #27085054 - 12/12/20 05:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think all are Panaeolus Papilionaceus


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Re: ID Consult [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27085067 - 12/12/20 05:35 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I do not think it is Panaeolus Papilionaceus we don't have them in my country I am between weirdly shaped liberty caps Panaeolus cinctulus and panaeolus acuminatus which I just saw I an other post that they seem to have the same black bruising as mine I can't find any poisonous look alikes that fit the criteria so I think the next test is to see if I trip after I get a few answers from here


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Re: ID Consult [Re: FrankTriper]
    #27085076 - 12/12/20 05:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

These are not liberty caps nor p.cintulus.
Wont make you trip.
Second pic may be acuminatus, or maybe all are. They are for sure some panaeolus sp. but definitely not psychoactive.
Wait for TI.


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Edited by RenegadeMycologist (12/12/20 11:05 AM)


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Re: ID Consult [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27085096 - 12/12/20 06:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

inactive pans


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Re: ID Consult [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27085100 - 12/12/20 06:11 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Panaeolus Papilionaceus doesn't grow from mulch or the grass, as far as I know,and I have only found them growing directly from dung. I bet those are some other inactive pan species.


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Re: ID Consult [Re: Allium]
    #27085137 - 12/12/20 06:59 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The only panealus species growing in my country that fit these features are acuminatus and cinctulus.My guess is that the ones that bruised black are acuminatus(the only evidence I have that they bruise black is a post from an acuminatus identification from this site)The light ones fit exactly  cinctulus's description (that from what I've si'seen can take many forms including exactly like the ones I have. https://www.google.com/search?q=panaeolus+cinctulus&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjyptKwucjtAhWQ16QKHYzhD2EQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=panaeolus+ci&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQARgAMgQIIxAnMgQIIxAnMgQIIxAnMgIIADICCABQlAtYuxlgxCBoAHAAeACAAYICiAHRE5IBBjAuMTQuMpgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=GLjUX_K6IZCvkwWMw7-IBg&bih=721&biw=421&client=ms-android-samsung-ga-rev1&prmd=ivn#imgrc=QIuhwqfxT4IIOM


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Re: ID Consult [Re: FrankTriper]
    #27085139 - 12/12/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Just because it hasn't been found in your country doesn't mean it can't be in your country


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Re: ID Consult [Re: FrankTriper]
    #27085154 - 12/12/20 07:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

All right Frank we can go like this forever. If you are so sure why are you asking anyway ? I see you can't wait to eat them, but we think it's inactive pans, maybe we are wrong, and you should wait for trusted identifier. I can't wait ti as well on this case.
Also you did not specify aprox. what country you live in, so then we could know better what possible actives/inactives grow in your area. But if some mushrooms are not listed somewhere it does not mean they can't possibly be there.
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Re: ID Consult [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27085165 - 12/12/20 07:29 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

How bout Panaeolus foenisecii? I believe you might have some of those.


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Re: ID Consult [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27085168 - 12/12/20 07:32 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Could be Panaeolus acuminatus, but also could be an undescribed species, or a described species that isn't well known.    If these were found in my area they would be active, as we don't have P. acuminatus here and instead we have various active Panaeolus.  But further north P. acuminatus becomes common.

Best thing to do would be to take good photos in natural habitat of lots of specimens in various stages of development and send them to http://alvalab.es for ITS sequencing.  Costs around 18 Euros, and I can help you analyze the data when you get it.


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Re: ID Consult [Re: Allium]
    #27085169 - 12/12/20 07:32 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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How bout Panaeolus foenisecii? I believe you might have some of those.




The gills in the mature specimens are too dark for P. foenisecii - that species never gets the charcoal shade seen here.


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Re: ID Consult [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #27085171 - 12/12/20 07:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Oh, ok, thanks for that clarification Alan :thumbup:


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Re: ID Consult [Re: Allium]
    #27085346 - 12/12/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Alan have you sequenced the active grass land  Bay Area Pan’s you mentioned above?


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Re: ID Consult [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #27085500 - 12/12/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

More photos of the shrooms.These were taken the same day they were cut


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Re: ID Consult [Re: FrankTriper]
    #27085534 - 12/12/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Still inactive pans.
But very interesting specimens indeed.


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Re: ID Consult [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27085553 - 12/12/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

What is your general location? Always include the general location of your observations.


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Re: ID Consult [Re: Doc9151]
    #27085565 - 12/12/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The location is Greece we have a very dry summer 5 or 6 months with little to no rain but now we finally have wet weather


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