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InvisibleByrain

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Re: COVID-19 hearing/Professor asks for review [Re: koods]
    #27461125 - 09/08/21 11:28 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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koods said:these people were actually calling the drug a miracle.




I realize this is an old thread, but its worth pointing out that ivermectin helping people is well documented. What is not fully well understood yet is how much it specifically helps against covid19 or not.

From 2011:

Ivermectin, ‘Wonder drug’ from Japan: the human use perspective
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/

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Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin—originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil—has had an immeasurably beneficial impact in improving the lives and welfare of billions of people throughout the world. Originally introduced as a veterinary drug, it kills a wide range of internal and external parasites in commercial livestock and companion animals. It was quickly discovered to be ideal in combating two of the world’s most devastating and disfiguring diseases which have plagued the world’s poor throughout the tropics for centuries. It is now being used free-of-charge as the sole tool in campaigns to eliminate both diseases globally. It has also been used to successfully overcome several other human diseases and new uses for it are continually being found. This paper looks in depth at the events surrounding ivermectin’s passage from being a huge success in Animal Health into its widespread use in humans, a development which has led many to describe it as a “wonder” drug.




Note that none of the African Programme for Onchocerciasis Control (APOC) countries had major outbreaks while only some of the non-APOC countries did. Maybe there is another explanation for this correlation?

COVID-19: The Ivermectin African Enigma
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33795896/

This still seems true today based on the data recorded here.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Also on a side note this is interesting, although I am not sure if it will go anywhere?

Indian Bar Association sues WHO scientist over Ivermectin
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indian-bar-association-sues-who-scientist-over-ivermectin/article_f90599f8-c7be-11eb-a8dc-0b3cbb3b4dfa.html
https://indianbarassociation.in/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/IBA-PRESS-RELEASE-MAY-26-2021.pdf


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InvisibleByrain

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Re: COVID-19 hearing/Professor asks for review [Re: koods]
    #27461523 - 09/09/21 09:26 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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koods said:
APOC shut down six years ago.




I'm having a hard time finding current data on how much ivermectin is still used in these countries, onchocerciasis (river blindness) is a parasite transmitted by black flies in the genus Simulium. I presume just because the study has stopped it doesn't mean the flies and parasites are no longer a problem. Perhaps they still take it regularly to prevent the disease with the known results from the APOC study?

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koods said:Why haven’t there been as many cases in Africa? Are there really no other explanations aside from ivermectin?

Six months ago we were told that ivermectin was keeping covid at bay in India and Indonesia. But then covid exploded in those countries. India is estimated to have nearly four million deaths based on mortality data.




That is what I want to know. There are promising numbers from both South America and parts of India and according to the Indian Bar Association there are places in India that did not use ivermectin and have had much larger outbreaks.

The problem I am seeing is instead of real data showing why it doesn't work we get fear mongering propaganda on the level of DARE. Not to mention the opportunistic politicians willing to use this crisis to advance their own agendas which have significantly exacerbated already existing economic and social decline in some places such as NYC or various Californian cities.

I would also not underestimate the financial incentive for large pharmaceutical companies that are highly invested in selling as much vaccine as possible. How much did you trust these companies before covid19? It would really sell confidence if they were wiling to drop the patents and release their private research, if the goal is to save as many humans as possible that should be not be an issue.

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koods said:It’s pretty clear how that modern countries have fared far worse than the most undeveloped countries. Of course the modern countries are better at counting cases and deaths and that probably accounts for a significant amount of the disparity. But, mostly it’s the way the virus weaponizes modern indoor spaces. Recycled ventilation, fairly stagnant airflow, no exchange with outside air. Places without widespread ac and heating have structures that are often open to the outside. People are not congregating in places where the virus can linger in the air. People in poor countries are essentially spending a lot more time in open air, outdoor like situations




Perhaps that is part of it, but that doesn't fully explain Nigeria the most populous African country (pop. 212,178,992) which reported 2,884,034 tests and only 2,578 deaths. Are there massive die offs of Nigerians that are not being reported?

Then there is South Africa (pop. 60,194,648) with 16,878,061 total tests and 84,152 deaths. They have had significantly more testing and a smaller population which could explain more reported cases, but are they also just that much better at reporting deaths?


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