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COVID-19 hearing/Professor asks for review
    #27085369 - 12/12/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)



I am posting this here as I think it is vital that people see this while being important and worrying enough that it deserves not to be buried beneath a thousand other posts in the Covid chat thread. I think people will agree if they watch the video that it most certainly is important enough to warrant its own thread.

A description is provided as requested (although I would have happily provided this before had you asked me rather than immediately locking the other thread Enlil).

The video shows Pierre Kory, M.D., Associate Professor calling into question the need for new vaccines and citing research into other drugs that he claims are effective in treating Covid while lambasting the governments refusal to support him and his team. Well he'll explain better than I ever could...

Pierre Kory, M.D., Associate Professor delivers passionate testimony during the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee hearing on "Early Outpatient Treatment: An Essential Part of a COVID-19 Solution, Part II."

I think people will find what he is saying both worrying and compelling. Check out the end of the video as well! There's your BLM! It has only ever been a cynical sham in my opinion.

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Re: COVID-19 hearing/Professor asks for review [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #27086504 - 12/12/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting that certain (left wing/liberal?) members of this political forum would immediately seek to attack the integrity of a doctor who is working on the front-lines saving lives!

A man fighting for and watching his patients die on a daily basis is predictably but much more worryingly immediately branded a dishonest charlatan or loon by some (themselves very dubious) posters on an internet forum with no medical training and lets be honest no idea if what this highly qualified professor is saying is actually correct or not! Nah lets just smear him!

And what hard hitting evidence do they propose exposes this dastardly and cowardly money grubbing charlatan?

He was wearing a lab coat!


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Re: COVID-19 hearing/Professor asks for review [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27086559 - 12/13/20 12:32 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I wonder if the big pharma vaccine companies are trying to keep this story down?  The establishment media doesn't seem interested.  :shrug:




If there is indeed any truth to what he is saying (I found him pretty convincing) I would think almost certainly. How much is this new vaccine going to cost Americans does anyone have an inkling yet?


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Re: COVID-19 hearing/Professor asks for review [Re: feevers] * 1
    #27086913 - 12/13/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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wolf8312 said:
Interesting that certain (left wing/liberal?) members of this political forum would immediately seek to attack the integrity of a doctor who is working on the front-lines saving lives!

A man fighting for and watching his patients die on a daily basis is predictably but much more worryingly immediately branded a dishonest charlatan or loon by some (themselves very dubious) posters on an internet forum with no medical training and lets be honest no idea if what this highly qualified professor is saying is actually correct or not! Nah lets just smear him!

And what hard hitting evidence do they propose exposes this dastardly and cowardly money grubbing charlatan?

He was wearing a lab coat!




So not only do you easily believe unfounded claims, but you spout them as well.





Sorry can you quote me directly? Which claims was I spouting? I did say that I found what he was saying convincing but I never stated that what he was saying was true.

Equally though I could ask you, on what foundation are you basing your assumption that this doctor is a grifting Charlatan?

I objected to the fact that you (and others) are vindictively attacking this doctors integrity without providing any evidence whatsoever to support such claims.

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Anything that goes against your narrow view of reality is liberal propaganda, right? Taking cues from Trump I see.




You seem to have me confused with someone else. I most certainly do not believe that the US/UK media/ government is controlled by liberals! You say that I have a narrow view of reality but yours seems restricted to the extent that you obviously assume that everyone is either one of two things. Pro-trump. Or, Anti-Trump.

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I totally trust your judgment on analyzing medical research.





At the end of the day the video was put up there for other people to make up their own minds. My intention is to make people aware of this and share it as widely as possible. If it's not true then believe me I would be much happier than if it actually is.

I knew well before even posting it there would be those who would immediately seek to attack the doctors credibility employing ad hominem smear tactics with a few logical fallacies (appeal to expert?) thrown in though without presenting any substantial evidence to support what they were saying.

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Where am I working right now? I'll give you a hint, it involves a hazmat suit at the moment.




:rolleyes:


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Re: COVID-19 hearing/Professor asks for review [Re: feevers]
    #27087032 - 12/13/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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You referred to us as dubious posters with no medical training.

People were saying things you didn't want to hear, you respond by spouting insults and bullshit claims instead of evidence to support this doctor's hypothesis. That's an incredibly misguided and childish way to debate an issue that you brought to the table.



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Equally though I could ask you, on what foundation are you basing your assumption that this doctor is a grifting Charlatan?



Never said he was, just said he most likely is because that's what every other miracle drug promoter so far has been doing. I also said he just might not be very skilled at understanding research.



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I objected to the fact that you (and others) are vindictively attacking this doctors integrity without providing any evidence whatsoever to support such claims.



I'm not attacking anyone, I gave a simple opinion and evidence.


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I knew well before even posting it there would be those who would immediately seek to attack the doctors credibility employing ad hominem smear tactics with a few logical fallacies (appeal to expert?) thrown in though without presenting any substantial evidence to support what they were saying.



Projection, nice. To anyone who understands how to critically analyze research, the answer I gave was all the evidence needed. More research is needed, the studies now don't support his take on it. If better evidence comes to the table, I'm happy to re-assess.

You responded with ad hom smear tactics, logical fallacies, and zero evidence against what I've posted.


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:rolleyes:



Sure, your appeal to authority saying the doctor works with covid patients was useful and necessary, but the fact that I also work with covid patients is irrelevant.




Well to be fair you're just a guy on the internet. If you claim to be an expert I might listen but it really depends on the evidence and arguments you put forward.

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People were saying things you didn't want to hear, you respond by spouting insults and bullshit claims instead of evidence to support this doctor's hypothesis. That's an incredibly misguided and childish way to debate an issue that you brought to the table.





But didn't you respond to the OP by doing the same thing? With the same insults and attacks upon the doctor himself, and it was this that I myself was objecting to? 

You even say yourself now that more studies do indeed need to be carried out. So why are we even arguing? We are in agreement that this guy may indeed well be right and what he is saying should be taken seriously or more studies carried out, no?

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I'm not attacking anyone, I gave a simple opinion and evidence.




The only thing is though you didn't seem to be quite so reasonable when originally you said: 

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This guy is almost certainly a charlatan who either lacks research skills/knowledge or more likely is grifting.





If I said 'this guys almost certainly a rapist and likely a nonce' could that not rightly be construed as my actually calling him those things despite my use of the word almost? I mean honestly that is what you meant right?


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Re: COVID-19 hearing/Professor asks for review [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27087084 - 12/13/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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What is your agenda here, though?  You aren't qualified to render any probative opinion.  The guy in the video has submitted his stuff, and the NIH hasn't found it to be all that compelling.  At this point, it's a non-issue.  The shit isn't proven to work as of yet.  :shrug:

This isn't a medical forum.  This is politics.  This thread needs to be focused on the political aspects of it, and if it doesn't, it doesn't belong here.  We're not going to discuss the science or pharmacology of the drug here.





Which forum do you propose to move it to? Not the conspiracy forum? :grin:

As to my 'agenda' is it really so hard to believe that I may just actually care and worry about the direction this world is headed?

I worry.


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Re: COVID-19 hearing/Professor asks for review [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27089899 - 12/15/20 05:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)



Here's another video with a different (British) doctor exploring this subject who says there is enough accumulated evidence around the world now to the point where governments need to be looking at this seriously.

I can say with certainty that this man is not a charlatan or (somehow) trying to cheat people.


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