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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: feevers]
    #27083767 - 12/11/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I’m starting to like HamHead’s debate technique. Say something that’s blatantly wrong, then when you’re called out on it say something else that’s even more blatantly wrong to distract from how wrong you were on the first point. You can just keep going forever this way, he’s proof of it.




Who's saying NIH is wrong about asymptomatic spread?

@koods presymptomatic cases are those who have caught a virus and are beginning to develop symptoms, as that virus replicates. Those are contagious people because they are carrying a virus that is viable and able to replicate. Dead virus particles are not viable and do not replicate on petri dishes like live, viable viruses do.

Now, as soon as that presymptomatic person coughs, is that a first sign of symptoms? Because if he/she/them/they/herd/zur/zurd/other is presymptomatic and coughs, viral transmission may occur.

Then, there is question of those surrounding said presymptomatic person and their own immune systems and how it may respond.

We are setting blanket guidelines and possible mandates when not everyone reacts the same when in contact with disease causing viruses, including coronavirus 19.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #27083775 - 12/11/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think I finally understand the purpose of American gun culture.

We are simply trying to create herd immunity to bullets. Those that die, well, they were weak and old.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #27083788 - 12/11/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I think I finally understand the purpose of American gun culture.

We are simply trying to create herd immunity to bullets. Those that die, well, they were weak and old.




I love your posts sometimes.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: feevers]
    #27083843 - 12/11/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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The Trump way.




Stay on topic please. Trump has nothing to do with this discussion.

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I remember when meat packing plants were going to close because of fear of outbreaks. Did those outbreaks ever happen? Not that I'm aware of, if you have links to meat packing plants, prime environments for coronaviruses to spread, cold temperatures with low humidity, and clusters of covid19 cases, please provide them.




“Almost 400 meatpacking plants in the United States have had outbreaks of COVID-19 as Aug. 19, according to Midwest Center for Investigative Reporting tracking.”

https://thecounter.org/tracking-meatpacking-plant-outbreaks-graphic-covid-19/


“ As of Dec. 4, there have been at least 43,000 reported positive cases tied to meat and poultry processing facilities from at least 476 outbreaks in 40 states, and at least 222 reported worker deaths in at least 52 plants in 27 states.”
https://investigatemidwest.org/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19s-impact-on-meatpacking-workers-and-industry/

30 seconds on google




"Brown County, Wisconsin, officials told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel they had stopped tracking cases tied to plants because it was time-consuming."

Fucking lazy asses, amirite? Can't even do contact tracing because it's too time consuming. Cowards, line em up and shoot them, no? Kidding of course, no one should ever be in a line waiting to be shot, EVER!!! Harm reduction site here, remember?

"Virginia officials, though they released data on nursing homes, said they wouldn’t do the same for poultry plants because of privacy concerns, according to the Virginia Mercury."

Interesting stuff for sure. Why wouldn't nursing homes be granted similar privacy? We're there not reports of homes not reporting deaths and cases and not being able to inform other families of infected people being housed in the same home as their elderly?

Privacy is an issue all on its own. Understandably.

Since HIV has been brought up, and now privacy, here's this little piece.

https://pridelegal.com/california-hiv-laws/

"Rick Zbur, Executive Director of Equality California and HIV activist, stated that “it’s virtually impossible to transmit the virus and I think most people don’t know that yet. I think when people understand that, they will view these laws [differently].” As public consciousness of the repeal grows, the negative stigma attached to HIV victims will lessen. HIV victims no longer have to publicly state their condition."

Looks like in California, you can knowingly have HIV and possibly transmit a well known deadly virus and they won't charge you for it, anymore. Unless you are a sex worker, apparently. Enlil, care to indulge in this matter? What are your opinions on what this law says about people knowingly spreading HIV with no legal consequences? Harm reduction again.

Next, "North Carolina, which has had the most plants with outbreaks, has also resisted releasing a specific list. Instead, it has released aggregate data for the whole state."

I agree. Not a good idea to be revealing specific plants, it could hurt a small business, or a large one, if sudden stigma is formed when PR about one particular plant is covered while others are not.

"As of Dec. 4, there have been at least 43,000 reported positive cases tied to meat and poultry processing facilities from at least 476 outbreaks in 40 states, and at least 222 reported worker deaths in at least 52 plants in 27 states."

METHODOLOGY: "Tied to" includes positive tests among workers and people who interacted with workers, such as family members; it's primarily workers who have tested positive. If that distinction has been reported, we note it in the database. We are not including in the count incidents where "many," "numerous," etc. were used, and we're rounding down if numbers are reported as approximate.

Data that breaks down at what workplace an outbreak occurred is hard to come by. The first state that put data online that includes the setting of an outbreak is Colorado. On Sept. 9, Kansas started putting that information online. Because of that, we're basing most of our count on numbers that have been reported in news stories.

It's also difficult to get exact numbers because some companies, some states and some unions have refused to release or confirm numbers.

Iowa state officials disclosed an inaccurate count related to one facility, the Associated Press found.

Also, when Senators Elizabeth Warren and Cory Booker requested industry giants tally the number of infected and dead workers at their plants, the companies did not provide figures."

Huh. E. Warren and C. Booker? Weird. Moving on.

"So it's possible the overall figures are an undercount.

The figures the CDC has released are through May and don't include every state with outbreaks. The figures lag behind other reporting. For instance, the CDC says one worker in Georgia has died from COVID-19, but in mid-April a Tyson spokesperson told the Associated Press at least four of the company's workers in Georgia had died. When reporting reflects local or state figures that are higher than the CDC's, we have used the local/state figures."

Dayum, CDC be lagging behind or what, May? Has there been any updates CDC has reported since May? Just curious, that's all.

We are not counting outbreaks at seafood processing plants. To verify whether a facility is a meatpacking plant, we check against the USDA's list of establishments. (Meatpacking plants have establishment numbers that begin with Ms or Ps.)""

Now, that's interesting stuff. I wonder why they would leave out seafood plants in their tracking?

Curiosity kills cats.

Thanks for the links. It's something I can work with, rather than being insulted. Now, to discuss some things? Or am I going to get some new medal or plaque insulting my intelligence?


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
    #27083974 - 12/11/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Generally only people who aren’t on antiviral medication can transmit HIV.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #27084108 - 12/11/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Or maybe its because their have a completely different culture that has a lot more discipline and control of the population, so they did the required things to stop it.  Like heavy mask usage and quarantine.  Those things you hate so much.




I have said, people with symptoms should wear mask.

Healthy people with no symptoms, should not be forced to wear masks.

Evidence is mounting against asymptomatic spread.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/study-finds-asymptomatic-spread-not-a-significant-source-of-the-ccp-virus-pandemic_3606375.html

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32513410/

"Conclusion: In summary, all the 455 contacts were excluded from SARS-CoV-2 infection and we conclude that the infectivity of some asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers might be weak."

NIH saying asymptomatic spread might be weak. Q alert???

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

"Virus cultures were negative for all asymptomatic positive and repositive cases, indicating no “viable virus” in positive cases detected in this study.

All asymptomatic positive cases, repositive cases and their close contacts were isolated for at least 2 weeks until the results of nucleic acid testing were negative. None of detected positive cases or their close contacts became symptomatic or newly confirmed with COVID-19 during the isolation period. In this screening programme, single and mixed testing was performed, respectively, for 76.7% and 23.3% of the collected samples. The asymptomatic positive rates were 0.321 (95% CI 0.282–0.364)/10,000 and 0.243 (95% CI 0.183–0.315)/10,000, respectively."

Seriously, Qanon conspiracy you're calling this?



Epoch times is run by a conservative christian cult. I dont think you can get a more biased source.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 1
    #27084170 - 12/11/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Or maybe its because their have a completely different culture that has a lot more discipline and control of the population, so they did the required things to stop it.  Like heavy mask usage and quarantine.  Those things you hate so much.




I have said, people with symptoms should wear mask.

Healthy people with no symptoms, should not be forced to wear masks.

Evidence is mounting against asymptomatic spread.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/study-finds-asymptomatic-spread-not-a-significant-source-of-the-ccp-virus-pandemic_3606375.html

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32513410/

"Conclusion: In summary, all the 455 contacts were excluded from SARS-CoV-2 infection and we conclude that the infectivity of some asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers might be weak."

NIH saying asymptomatic spread might be weak. Q alert???

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

"Virus cultures were negative for all asymptomatic positive and repositive cases, indicating no “viable virus” in positive cases detected in this study.

All asymptomatic positive cases, repositive cases and their close contacts were isolated for at least 2 weeks until the results of nucleic acid testing were negative. None of detected positive cases or their close contacts became symptomatic or newly confirmed with COVID-19 during the isolation period. In this screening programme, single and mixed testing was performed, respectively, for 76.7% and 23.3% of the collected samples. The asymptomatic positive rates were 0.321 (95% CI 0.282–0.364)/10,000 and 0.243 (95% CI 0.183–0.315)/10,000, respectively."

Seriously, Qanon conspiracy you're calling this?



Epoch times is run by a conservative christian cult. I dont think you can get a more biased source.




Right. Ignore what is being said and discredit.

Do the NIH one now.


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #27084191 - 12/11/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32513410/

You found this junk compelling?
Also big deal but your opinion of that article is based on what epoch times had to say about it. So you're taking something weak and sprinkling dumbass on top


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27084214 - 12/11/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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NIH saying asymptomatic spread might be weak.




NIH didn’t say that. That’s just an article that is available at PubMed which is part of the National Library of Medicine at NIH.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods] * 1
    #27084217 - 12/11/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think we need to start a collection to get a ham an education so he could realize how these things work.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27084268 - 12/11/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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NIH saying asymptomatic spread might be weak.




NIH didn’t say that. That’s just an article that is available at PubMed which is part of the National Library of Medicine at NIH.




Well, if it's in the NIH public library, why wouldn't they agree with it? If they disagreed, would it have ever been published in their library?

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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32513410/

You found this junk compelling?
Also big deal but your opinion of that article is based on what epoch times had to say about it. So you're taking something weak and sprinkling dumbass on top




Nah. I had my opinions formed before that epoch article.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #27084301 - 12/11/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm done arguing with this guy.


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    #27084349 - 12/11/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Well, if it's in the NIH public library, why wouldn't they agree with it? If they disagreed, would it have ever been published in their library?




Just stop. You have no business talking about any of these topics.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods] * 2
    #27084360 - 12/11/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I get ads for epoch times all the time and just saw one about China harvesting organs in hospitals. Their catch was "youre notngoing tonbelieve how they get these organs!".


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27084382 - 12/11/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Well, if it's in the NIH public library, why wouldn't they agree with it? If they disagreed, would it have ever been published in their library?




Just stop. You have no business talking about any of these topics.




And you do?

:whateveryousayfreak:


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I get ads for epoch times all the time and just saw one about China harvesting organs in hospitals. Their catch was "youre notngoing tonbelieve how they get these organs!".




Yeah, it's a thing. Don't believe it? Go do some research, you might be surprised.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #27084384 - 12/11/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Theyre a tabloid run by a far right chistian cult. Their ads are hyper alarmist and I have no reason to believe anything they say.


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    #27084390 - 12/11/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If I've learned anything, it's that they can't put it on the internet if it ain't true.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27084395 - 12/11/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I get ads for epoch times all the time and just saw one about China harvesting organs in hospitals. Their catch was "youre notngoing tonbelieve how they get these organs!".



I got a real copy of that in the mail earlier this year, unsolicited. I think they are connected to Falun Gong.


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    #27084402 - 12/11/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I get ads for epoch times all the time and just saw one about China harvesting organs in hospitals. Their catch was "youre notngoing tonbelieve how they get these organs!".




https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55097424

"Six people including several doctors have been jailed in China for illegally harvesting organs from accident victims, report local media.

The group had tricked the families of the deceased into thinking they were making official organ donations."

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3022799/chinese-hospital-staff-accused-illegal-organ-harvesting

"Li’s other son, Shi Xianglin, who was also wounded in the attack, said the family was told that they would be given 200,000 yuan (US$28,300) in “government subsidies” if they agreed to donate Li’s organs, and she was taken to a hospital in Nanjing where the procedure was carried out.

He said the head of the intensive care unit in Huaiyan county, Yang Suxun, had told the family that he had applied for the “highest level” of government subsidies, but staff from the Red Cross, which helps run the organ donor centre, told him the government did not pay for donations.
“Organ donations are free. It is not possible to pay hundreds of thousands of yuan in compensation to the donor’s family,” Li Hu, the association’s Huaiyuan county branch head, said."

:shrug:

There's more on prisoners being targeted for organ harvest.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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    #27084404 - 12/11/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I read a little bit about them when my friend who thinks the moon is hollow and used to transport air between planets, told me it as a good news source. Yes theyre affiliated with falun gong, I'm not sure why I thought it was a Christian sect. That being said theyre super right wing and dont like china it seems.


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