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Magic mushrooms RAPED me.
    #27083425 - 12/11/20 04:35 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I am having an extremely bad experience from magic mushrooms. I will try to post the report here.
The link is not working.
You can find it on my Facebook page; /Lester.harvey.1865


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27083463 - 12/11/20 05:51 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I am writing from a hotel room in Brazil. I have traveled here to try and get help for this constant state of torment that mushrooms have put me in.
I think people should stop promoting the use of magic mushrooms. There should be a strong wraning that their use can cause psychosis & other permanent negative changes to mental health. They should be reclassified as a parasite.
(They have made my life HELL).

I had read several books about mushrooms and listened to many talks on YouTube at the time, including most of the talks by Terrance McKenna.
They were being promoted as a treatment for depression & miracle life changing experience.
I don't have my diaries with me from when I took mushrooms. I will try to explain it from memory.

I first took mushrooms around three years ago.
They were a strain called "Liberty Caps", that grow wild in New Zealand.

I started with 1 gram, in the middle of the day. I walked around outside on a farm by a river. It was euphoric. Though left me feeling drained and depressed again.
About one month later I took a 5 gram dose. This time I was in my campervan in the mountains.
I remember feeling as though I had died & was taken somewhere. I could see and hear family. I chose to stay alive by waking and drinking water. Some of it was frightening. There was a strange insect like humming in the van and some visual distortions.

I took them again (6 times?) at a similar dose, several months apart. I had read Shonagh Homes book, "Love & Spirit medicine", I recall she encouraged regular use?

These experiences were, often like vivid dreaming.
Sometimes geometric patterns & insect like humming & something trying to tell me a story about my life & civilization. There was also a Butterfly that is difficult to describe. Another time it was as though the stars were talking to me.( Taken outside at night).

I had been keeping track of my dreams before I took mushrooms. I am not sure from memory at what point they took over my dreams and became increasingly intimidating, threatening, violent, obscene and abusive,
Then began to rape me. They are trying to kill me, to stop me from talking about this.
(I have been driven to attempt suicide).

See;  "Benevolent Dolphins". (I will send a link).

My dreams became more vivid/ lucid & frequent after these experiences. I would often wake over 20 times a night to record my dreams in a journal.
I also began to experience strange full body vibrations, that would start with a ringing in my ears. Similar to the feeling with the Butterfly & insect like humming.

The scenes and creatures in my dreams also became very strange; Animals morphed into different animals.
Mermaids talking to me. Dolphins, Birds, Leprechauns.
Fairies, Indians, Egyptians, a Chinese man/ Dwarf.
Also, Aliens & flying saucers, a ghost ship, blue beings (that were abusive), & something like a devil woman, with sheep horns. Something with 3 moving eyes. That said it wanted me to go insane. I have seen terrible visions of violence, rape and abuse. They are torturing me.

My ears now also ring constantly & I get convulsions and ticks in my arms and legs. I used to grow & smoke cannabis occasionally, they have caused me to throw away my seed collection & burn my supply of buds.

They were trying to make me have children, I think because I am aware of the damage being done to our DNA by radiation from cell-phones, cell towers, WiFi etc. (A demonic\ black being said that I am Jacob from the Bible in one vision, many of their brainwashing visions have been Christianity themed, though I am not religeous.)
I had been living in the country for many years, away from this radiation. They drove me to live further away from this radiation /EMF. I lived by a lake in the mountains for some months, also s cave in the bush.

In one of the dreams, a Dwarf, who called himself "Dues",
Told me to take 10grams of magic mushrooms.
(I did not realize at the time that they were the cause of my strange dreams). The 10grams I took were a strain called "Pink Buffalo" from website spores 101,
That I grew myself indoors using PFKtek.

When I took them I was in a small hut in the mountains.
I felt very relaxed and seen a White Swan, then something like a rife frequency in my brain. A vibration that continued for maybe 1 hour. Then I sat up & felt reasonably (unreasonably?) normal, apart from some morphing patterns & animals (an elephant) on the carpet.
I felt ok, though slightly nauseated.

At some time after this I stopped playing along with their plan for me to have children. Because they had (physically) RAPED me.
I do not want to describe this detail. I will only say it is sickening, beyond belief.
I decided I could not have children after these events.
Because; A- The abuse that was compelling me to.
B- The risk that the mushrooms could somehow pass this on to my children.

I have not read of any other accounts of something this terrible happening before. I have read a wide range of books including several about magic mushrooms.
There was no warning that this might happen.
They have ruined my life.

I hope that my experience can be a warning to other people. Magic mushrooms are not safe at any dose. They have effects on dreams.
They can lie & trick you.
They can cause permanent changes to your brain & they can RAPE, torture and abuse people.
I can not meditate after this, I see abusive visions when I close my eyes.
I am still haveing tortured dreams, over 3 years after I last took magic mushrooms.

Some of the books I have read;
"One River"
Several by "Carlos Castenada"
The Mastery of Love"
"Love and Spirit Medicine"
"The woman in the shamans body"
"Memories Dreams Reflections"
"Man and his Symbols"
"The Transferrence"- Jung
"Psilocybin Mushrooms of the world" & mushrooms growers guide, Paul Staments.
"The pschyedelic experience" Timothy Leory.
"Magic mushroom growers guide"
"The invisible Landscape" Terrance McKenna.
"The Psychedelic Explorer's Guide: Safe, Therapeutic, and Sacred Journeys"

The book "One River", had some lines about mushrooms potentially causing insanity.
& I am not sure what Castenada was given?
I have only read of a few other "bad trips", though this does not compare.

See my Facebook page for drawings I have made that are how it feels; Lester Harvey.

Please share this with others.
Thank you for reading.

See; HPPD support -facebook.
For other accounts of psychedelics causing lasting damage to people.

Some music/ lyrics are also close to describing this;
Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory, "Crawling".
Alice in Chains - "Nutshell".


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27083493 - 12/11/20 06:33 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So sorry to hear of your negative experience  :hugitout:

Before any mushroom use, did you suffer from any health conditions, notably mental health?

When you say you've traveled to where you are now to seek help, is there someone treating you there? What's the treatment regime if so?

Although McKenna mentioned the issue of people not consuming a potent enough dose, it seems like you jumped from a first trip dose of 1g, straight to 5g+ doses, which is considered heroic if I'm not mistaken.

Did you acknowledge that the mushrooms were making you do all those negative things at the time, or only afterwards?

I think one should never lead another to believe mushroom use would result in a sure "miracle life changing experience" as you say it was promoted to you as. And it's unfortunate that, that was the case.

Hope things only get better for you. Stay strong  :muscles:


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27083515 - 12/11/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm sorry that you are having trouble and I do hope that you can find peace/treatment of whatever ails you.

But, with all due respect, it seems that you have manifested the symptoms of some mental illness, not been "poisoned" by psychoactive mushrooms.

It's important to understand that ANY intense or highly stressful event/life-change can trigger such phenomena. There are many stories where a man, having just become a father, snaps and does something drastic. And many psychologists attribute that to the stress and realizations of the coming challenge of fatherhood that triggered psychosis in the individual.

The truth is, people are both incredibly resilient and rather fragile. Many events that are innocuous to one person are enough to set another down a dark and scary path.

And it is a fact that, for some, psychedelic experiences can trigger mental anguish/illness due to the sheer intensity of them. This doesn't mean that the substance itself is to blame. This doesn't mean that there is a specific chemical in the substance that causes psychotic manifestation.

I do really hope that you are able to overcome this torment. And I understand how, when in anguish, we want to find a direct cause. So we often find something to blame and, with great zeal, promote its evil. But we can be misguided in our delusion to blaming the wrong thing (I know, I've had my troubles and I always seemed to blame what was easiest to condemn, not what the actual cause was).

The truth is, mushrooms are NOT for everyone. Just like alcohol is NOT for everyone. Hot sauce is not for everyone (especially if you have IBS). TV is not for everyone. Etc, Etc.

And, this is blatantly false:

Quote:

Arron said:
I hope that my experience can be a warning to other people. Magic mushrooms are not safe at any dose.





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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27083628 - 12/11/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Has anyone read his Terrance Mckennas book. "The invisible Landscape"?
They talk about being in a permanent trip like state from magic mushrooms.
It is widely accepted that once you have taken them, they continue to effect you (always).
They can cause permanent changes to how your brain works.

Has anyone else noticed a significant change in their dreams content & experience after taking mushrooms?

I think what it means when people say "mystical" experience, is that they do not know what is really happening.
We do not know what mushrooms are.

What I mean when I say any dose is unsafe, is that they cause permanent effects/ changes.(possibly at any dose).
And you cannot trust that this will be a positive change.
They lied to me at low doses.

To Socrateshroom; comparing my abuse from mushrooms to becoming a father is insulting.

"we know a thimbullfull about pscychedelics and that thimbull you could throw away" - Terrance McKenna.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27083661 - 12/11/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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To Socrateshroom; comparing my abuse from mushrooms to becoming a father is insulting.




No, it's not insulting. He isn't even comparing your "abuse from mushrooms" to being a father, as you say. The metaphor is being used to illustrate that you are exhibiting signs of mental illness and that this may have been triggered by a traumatic experience (your high dose).

Judging by your posts here it would seem to me that it would be best for you to stay away from psychedelics and seek professional help. Judging by your OP it seems you might be a little unstable right  now so it might not be the best idea to be drifting through a foreign country seeking treatment from people who are probably unlicensed and unqualified. Consider returning home to your family to get professional help.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27083714 - 12/11/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you Corundum for making my point clear.

1) As he stated, I in no way compared mushroom abuse to becoming a father. What I did compare is the INTENSITY of both experiences. Becoming a father is a huge experience and, especially, if someone is unprepared. That sudden realization that "I now have an important and life-long responsibility" has been, unfortunately, known to cause some men to have mental breakdowns. And, in the same way, some difficult psychedelic experiences can trigger similar mental anguish. But it isn't only the aforementioned events that can be triggers. Any difficult, traumatic or intense experience can be a trigger.

2) Everyone is so hung up on "permanent" changes. Permanent changes are constantly occurring in our lives. We are not the same mentally, or physically, as we were when we were infants (hopefully). Permanent change is unavoidable in life and required for positive transformation.

Are you talking about permanent PHYSICAL changes to the brain structure? There some evidence of increasing connections between various brain regions but NO proof of any negative physical neurological changes such as neuron degradation.

So the "permanent" changes are emotional/spiritual/psychological. And even those aren't necessarily permanent as we see of plenty of people who have "improved" in some way psychologically only to regress. But yes, the intensity of the experience can permanently change your perceptions.

And I agree, not all change is positive. With or without psychedelics, LIFE changes us more than anything. Lots of people, faced with a difficult life, change for the negative. And many people faced with similar difficulties change for the positive. It's the risks we take in doing anything, in living life. We don't always know if we'll come out better for it. And perhaps some risks are too great. And for some people, I absolutely agree that psychedelics pose too high a risk for use.

Anyway, I am not looking to insult you. I am sympathetic to your cause. I had the same problem with alcohol, which I abstain from. But I came to the realization that my psychological problems were mine and alcohol was not directly responsible (even if it made the negative manifestations of my psyche much worse).

Furthermore, I believe claiming that any substance is undeniably unsafe, in the absence of airtight evidence, is irresponsible. Your experience is important and we need to consider it (and others) when we discuss mushroom use, but your experience is not indicative of the totality of ALL psychedelic experience, just like my positive experiences with it are not indicative that others will benefit as well.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27083819 - 12/11/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I am unable to have children because of what has happened to me.

This does not compare as a metaphor or in intensity to becoming a father.
And I find it offensive. (Weather you ment it to be or not).
It is a further insult to say my report is a sign of mental illness.

You did not have the same problem with alcohol.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27083842 - 12/11/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Arron said:
I am unable to have children because of what has happened to me.

This does not compare as a metaphor or in intensity to becoming a father.
And I find it offensive. (Weather you ment it to be or not).
It is a further insult to say my report is a sign of mental illness.

You did not have the same problem with alcohol.




With all due respect, you do not know the extent of my struggles with alcohol, and the permanent consequence I've suffered, and can't make that assumption.

Irregardless, it is clear that there is no room for discussion between us, whether that be because of my ignorance or yours.

Whatever the cause of your problems, I hope you are able to make as much recovery as possible. Best of luck on your journey.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27083944 - 12/11/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I hope you can overcome such bad experience. It sounds like you will need someone to help you go through this. Mushrooms have been very helpful to some of us. I can't imagine how I could have gone through depression without them. None of the medications I was given did a damn thing to improve my mental state. Your sharing of this experience will be helpful as a cautionary tale for those who want to explore this medicine.

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There should be a strong wraning that their use can cause psychosis & other permanent negative changes to mental health.




Actually, you can find such warnings when looking into their use. I was well aware of the potential for bad trips and that they can actually elicit psychotic episodes in some people. They are not recommended for people whom, themselves or close family members, may have a history of certain mental conditions. I'm surprised you did not find this in all the reading you did. Is it possible you saw this but ignored it and only paid attention to the potential benefits?

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About one month later I took a 5 gram dose.




Going from a barely noticeable effect to a full heroic trip is never advisable (from 1 g to 5 g).

Quote:

Arron said:
I took them again (6 times?) at a similar dose, several months apart....

My dreams became more vivid/ lucid & frequent after these experiences. I would often wake over 20 times a night to record my dreams in a journal...




It is normally recommended to integrate the experience before embarking on the next trip. Here it seems like, in spite of having bad experiences you kept taking them. No mental and emotional preparation before taking mushrooms?

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Another time it was as though the stars were talking to me....




I've had all kinds of weird experiences. Deities presenting before me. Images of myself in times and places I've never been, etc. But after the trip I come to the conclusion that everything was in my mind. The psilocybin just mimics neurotransmitters that amplify what is already in my mind. One just takes what is useful in the experience. Not a good idea to ruminate on the negative.

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They were trying to make me have children, I think because I am aware of the damage being done to our DNA by radiation from cell-phones, cell towers, WiFi etc.
I had been living in the country for many years, away from this radiation....I lived by a lake in the mountains for some months, also s cave in the bush.


At some time after this I stopped playing along with their plan for me to have children. Because they had (physically) RAPED me.




You seem to gravitate towards conspiracy theories. And it seems like those are scaring you. Being afraid about something as ubiquitous as the electromagnetic field from cell phones and WiFi is not a good state of mind to be in. And these will be greatly amplified with psychedelics.

You also say they physically raped you. I hope you find the help you need. And as mentioned by Corundum, it may not be a good idea to seek such help in a place you barely know.


But we appreciate your sharing of this bad experience. Hopefully it will be useful to many people who want to explore the use of these medicines.

And as many people here will agree on, when properly used, mushrooms can help. For me, they brought a much needed relief from some very deep depression I was going through. At some point it was so bad, I could barely do the minimum expected from me in my job. I took a leap of faith and used them because I was beginning to get suicidal thoughts very frequently. Now, thanks to the mushrooms they are gone.

I hope you don't get too upset because we express disagreement. If you have close friends or family  members you can trust, talk to them. Sometimes a second opinion from someone close to us is necessary in order to see through our confusion. Sometimes they have to push us through this confusion even if we do not see it that way at the moment.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27083981 - 12/11/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Arron said:
Has anyone read his Terrance Mckennas book. "The invisible Landscape"?
They talk about being in a permanent trip like state from magic mushrooms.
It is widely accepted that once you have taken them, they continue to effect you (always).
They can cause permanent changes to how your brain works.

Has anyone else noticed a significant change in their dreams content & experience after taking mushrooms?

I think what it means when people say "mystical" experience, is that they do not know what is really happening.
We do not know what mushrooms are.

What I mean when I say any dose is unsafe, is that they cause permanent effects/ changes.(possibly at any dose).
And you cannot trust that this will be a positive change.
They lied to me at low doses.

To Socrateshroom; comparing my abuse from mushrooms to becoming a father is insulting.

"we know a thimbullfull about pscychedelics and that thimbull you could throw away" - Terrance McKenna.



Balls!
Don't believe this shit. That permanent negative changes are probable for you.
You are mostly being affected by FEAR right now. Not the mushrooms.
For the vast majority, myself included, mushroom use doesn't cause permanent weird changes or anything worrying.
More like permanent slow changes for the better.
No need to be afraid my man.

of course you can have negative experiences.
You are going through some tough times now. It will pass.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27083985 - 12/11/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I am having an extremely bad experience from magic mushrooms. I will try to post the report here.
The link is not working.
You can find it on my Facebook page; /Lester.harvey.1865



don't post about mushroom use on facebook


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    #27084644 - 12/11/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: coAsTal]
    #27085015 - 12/12/20 04:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I would like to know what you think the mushrooms are?
Do you find that many people become obsessed about them?
(For me this is what happened).
From my experience with mushrooms, and the way they changed the content of my dreams,
Christian themed, & visions of Christ,
They are the "forbidden fruit of knowledge" from the bible.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27085039 - 12/12/20 05:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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They are the "forbidden fruit of knowledge" from the bible.



I could agree with that.
Knowledge was forbidden by the leader who wanted a unanimous flock, because knowledge prevents him from leading them. The flock needs to be stupid and cannot think for themselves.

Eating the fruit makes you aware, and less likely to follow predetermined doctrines.
By doing that it shifts the responsibility or your life towards yourself. As a individual, rather than a pawn in someone else's game, you will have to carry your own weight.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Malkuthian]
    #27085408 - 12/12/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

From my experience they are forbidden because they can destroy your sense of self and free will.
There are other ways of finding out what is going on. Or thinking for yourself, than taking mushrooms.

To quote Terrance again, to say; " The mushroom said to me...."
Is not thinking for yourself.


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    #27085440 - 12/12/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks, crusader against mushrooms, for coming onto a mushroom site to enlighten us about the evil wicked mushroom.

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    #27085476 - 12/12/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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From my experience they are forbidden because they can destroy your sense of self and free will.





:rolleyes:

Did you pay attention to what you read in the books that you quoted?  The psychedelic explorer's guide, is by James Fadiman, btw, not Tim Leary.  But, the psychedelic experience by Leary is a good book to read on the topic too. Both of those books emphasize the importance of set and setting. From reading your posts, it appears that you did not pay attention to set and setting.  It can have a huge effect on the outcome of a trip. I don't know what to tell ya man. Mushrooms can be a great tool for self exploration. However, if used in the wrong situations, without experience, etc. They can be vicious.  I hope you figure out your problem and get well. But, it's not the mushrooms fault...


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    #27085591 - 12/12/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I cannot recall exactly the names and authors of the books I read.
The one you ae referring to was based on
The Tebetin Book of The Dead.
I was in a relaxed state, safe quiet places, alone in the mountains.
What has happened to me is a direct result of the mushrooms.

I'm not sure how to add a link to a YouTube clip.
Search for;

"A single Pscilocybin trip, Jordan Peterson talks to Dr Roland Griffiths"

To quote; "permanent personality transformations,
(neurological & pschological changes)
+ 10% chance with Pscilocybin of a trip to HELL.


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    #27086403 - 12/12/20 08:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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... I'm not sure how to add a link to a YouTube clip.
Search for;

"A single Pscilocybin trip, Jordan Peterson talks to Dr Roland Griffiths"

To quote; "permanent personality transformations,
(neurological & pschological changes)
+ 10% chance with Pscilocybin of a trip to HELL.




Eh, that's absurd.  Don't believe everything you see on the internet.


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    #27086422 - 12/12/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I cannot recall exactly the names and authors of the books I read.
The one you ae referring to was based on
The Tebetin Book of The Dead.
I was in a relaxed state, safe quiet places, alone in the mountains.
What has happened to me is a direct result of the mushrooms.

I'm not sure how to add a link to a YouTube clip.
Search for;

"A single Pscilocybin trip, Jordan Peterson talks to Dr Roland Griffiths"

To quote; "permanent personality transformations,
(neurological & pschological changes)
+ 10% chance with Pscilocybin of a trip to HELL.




Hope you find some relief friend.

I would like to ask here, is is possible you were tripping so hard that your trauma (rape?) was actually another human and your mental state prevented you from recognizing or remembering the event, or some PTSD triggering here?  Being out of your mind on a strong psychedelic may have attracted some attention in a remote setting.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: SynKyd]
    #27086547 - 12/13/20 12:17 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah what's up with this physical rape thing...
OP, you went full psychotic mode after mushrooms somewhere in there. You couldn't do any reality testing and your paranoid thoughts and imagination have taken over.
I would argue you were already susceptible for this kind of experience especially when not treading with caution, because what you said about cell towers and radio waves causing DNA damage.
I don't know what other paranoid conspiracies you believe but that's already quite crazy, and that kind of shit can get out of hand on psychedelics easily
If you can't be mindful of what is going on.
During the comeup of my last trip I had intense paranoid thoughts about some interdimensional insects burrowing into my brain to suck my energy or some shit like that and it felt kind of real, but then I had enough of that craziness and shook it off and out of me literally.
If you can't distinguish crazy irrational thoughts during the experience or when sober, it's byebye sanity.

One more thing Arron. The more you think mushrooms caused some damage and raped you and what not, the less you are in control and in understanding of the reality of your situation. It's not the shrooms, it's your mind and your brain.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27086867 - 12/13/20 08:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Arron said:
From my experience they are forbidden because they can destroy your sense of self and free will.
There are other ways of finding out what is going on. Or thinking for yourself, than taking mushrooms.

To quote Terrance again, to say; " The mushroom said to me...."
Is not thinking for yourself.




Are you saying that the fruit of knowledge found in Eden destroys free will if eaten?

Regarding the quote:
That someone spoke to him doesn't mean he is prevented from thinking for himself...?
Your are applying ridiculous amounts of bias and predetermined ideas to the words you are quoting.

If you read a book it can speak to you.
If you engage in social interaction, the people you meet can speak to you.
Etc.

Are you saying these things prevents thinking for yourself?


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron] * 2
    #27087440 - 12/13/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I am unable to have children because of what has happened to me.

This does not compare as a metaphor or in intensity to becoming a father.
And I find it offensive. (Weather you ment it to be or not).
It is a further insult to say my report is a sign of mental illness.

You did not have the same problem with alcohol.




With respect - coming upon your post, the way you describe your experiences and present state of reality, it is a logical, evidence-based conclusion to draw that there is mental illness at play here. Many posters here, myself included, have lots of experience with mental illness. I personally have had long, intense periods of paranoid delusion related to substance use. I still grapple with it.

Being a sign of mental illness doesn't mean that your experience is being dismissed or invalidated. Mental illness doesn't mean you're "lesser than" or that there aren't other things going on -  you might be experiencing a particularly acute "spiritual emergency" or a "dark night of the soul." I've seen many posters here over the years make similar posts in the grips of very overwhelming and powerful psychic energy, and later on reflect that it was part of a much longer (unending) process of acquiring self-knowledge.

I don't have much advice to offer, but I think you need grounding and rest, and maybe the current way you're going about trying to heal isn't allowing you to return to an equilibrium. It's a difficult time in the world in general, it's not easy to find peace or equanimity, but hopefully you'll find some cues here or elsewhere that'll lead you to have more of that in your life.


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My body I will give to pleasures,
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any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Lion] * 1
    #27088547 - 12/14/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

To OP:

I hope you find some relief to your current state. If you came here to ask our opinions or advice, we are happy to share our experiences. If you came here trying to convince everyone to give up mushrooms, it is not a good use of your time.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: VP123]
    #27088752 - 12/14/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

They did not rape me during the "trip".
It has taken over my dreams (for 3+ years).

The "conversation" mushrooms have with people after they take them, is not an ordinary conversation. It is not a book you can choose to close (though I am still trying to), or a person you can walk away from.
They are more like a parasite, or infection.

They are living creatures/ beings. Not just another medicine/ substance.
It is niave to think they don't have their own kind of agenda.
And are using/ abusing vulnerable people?
That are then labled as menttaly ill, & alienated or medicated as a way of suppressing those who speak out.

This is a report of psychedelic use and dreams.
If you were to read others accounts of these experiences,
You may also conclude that they are delusional & or mentally unstable/schizophrenics.

If you keep lableing all negative experience from this substance as the fault of the individual, you are missing the point, that these mushrooms are not like other psychedelics. They can be decietfull and extremely abusive ( to anyone ).

People seem to have a way of turning every negative report about mushrooms around & blaming the individual.  These experiences are likely underreported,
Possibly because of these kind of abusive comments.

What makes your positive reviews any more valid than my negative report?

This does not make sense;
They are promoted as a treatment for depression and suicidal thoughts. Yet should not be taken if you have a history of mental health problems.

Lableing something as Sacred/ Devine does not make it so. ie; the Church (abuse, hatred, rape, corruption etc).

From my understanding they are the " Forbidden Fruit" from the bible. To eat them and surely die, may not be a literal death.
You may lose your sense of self and free will?
As they have been shown to have permanent neurological effects. If you have taken mushrooms already. Then you can never know if your ideas are really your own or the mushrooms.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27088775 - 12/14/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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From my understanding they are the " Forbidden Fruit" from the bible. To eat them and surely die, may not be a literal death.
You may lose your sense of self and free will?




...Or you may gain a sense of self and free will. How about that...
Creativity and free expression is connected to psychedelics for a reason.

Society is a fucking hamster wheel with normalized morons following their flocks towards *no fucking clue because it don't matter for the flock*. And you are saying there is a problem with mushrooms because they can take away free will?
Free will is basically nonexistent in the first place, mushrooms are one of the things that actually have the power to change that.
There might be risks involved, as with anything and everything, but that one of those risk would be that you jeopardize your free will, is beyond preposterous.


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As they have been shown to have permanent neurological effects. If you have taken mushrooms already. Then you can never know if your ideas are really your own or the mushrooms.



Mushrooms don't have ideas.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Malkuthian] * 2
    #27088863 - 12/14/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Arron, have you considered the possibility that you could be wrong?


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Lion]
    #27088889 - 12/14/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

People here are unbelievably compassionate and are really trying to help. Yet everything they say goes in one ear and out the other. We might all be wrong and you might be right, but it's clear you aren't considering anything that is written.

I don't know why I'm trying again, but here's some thoughts:

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Arron said:
The "conversation" mushrooms have with people after they take them, is not an ordinary conversation. It is not a book you can choose to close (though I am still trying to), or a person you can walk away from.
They are more like a parasite, or infection.





They can amplify the subconscious, bring the archetypes forward, and can open old traumas. The trip can bring confusion, delusion and fear as much as bliss and understanding. None of that is "parasitic". It is not an infection. It does not feed off of its host to the host's detriment. It does not destroy the host. If you have chemical tolerance to it (from recent use or natural tolerance), you can consume mushrooms without any effect.

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They are living creatures/ beings. Not just another medicine/ substance.
It is niave to think they don't have their own kind of agenda.
And are using/ abusing vulnerable people?





So is Kale and so was the hamburger just eaten. Does that mean that the Kale and the cow are now forcing an agenda on the consumer?

Everything you eat is alive or was living. If your statement was true, then all of those foods would be acting out their agenda(s) through us. What would happen when we ate foods with opposing agendas?

Mushrooms (mycelium to be exact) are living creatures. They may have their own thoughts, feelings and experience. But that doesn't mean consuming them "transfers" them to your mind and gives them control. Cannibals don't become the people they eat and beef eaters don't start grazing like cows after beef consumption.

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That are then labeled as mentally ill, & alienated or medicated as a way of suppressing those who speak out.

You may also conclude that they are delusional & or mentally unstable/schizophrenics.





No. Especially on a website like this, people always give you the benefit of the doubt. Lion said it perfectly, you might be experiencing:

"acute "spiritual emergency" or a "dark night of the soul."

So people are really trying. But, just like you claim that people are quick to turn to mental illness as an explanation, others are quick to dismiss that mental illness might be afflicting them. It works both ways.

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If you keep labeling all negative experience from this substance as the fault of the individual, you are missing the point,





No one is labeling all negative experiences as mental illness. But to have continuing mental anguish long after consumption is just a hint that manifestation of a mental illness should be considered. Lion said it best:

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With respect - coming upon your post, the way you describe your experiences and present state of reality, it is a logical, evidence-based conclusion to draw that there is mental illness at play here.





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Arron said:
that these mushrooms are not like other psychedelics. They can be deceitful and extremely abusive ( to anyone ).




How did you come to the revelation that mushrooms are "evil" whereas other psychedelics are not? Was it simply based on your anecdotal experience?

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People seem to have a way of turning every negative report about mushrooms around & blaming the individual.  These experiences are likely underreported,
Possibly because of these kind of abusive comments.





99% of comments here are the exact opposite of abusive. Reading people's responses, most of them have been nothing but caring, loving, compassionate etc. No one is blaming you. Mental illness can strike anyone and strikes almost everyone, in some way shape or form, in their life, through no fault of their own.

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What makes your positive reviews any more valid than my negative report?





Nothing. Positive experiences and negative experiences are equally important. This website is dedicated, among other things, to the discussion of all types of psychedelic experiences.

No one is invalidating your experience. They are attempting a discussion and you are blowing them off, refusing to take anything they say, and wanting them them to believe you as if your word alone was truth. No one is telling you what you are experiencing, just giving you SUGGESTIONS about what may be occurring from their experiences.





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This does not make sense;
They are promoted as a treatment for depression and suicidal thoughts. Yet should not be taken if you have a history of mental health problems.




They say that for harm reduction purposes. And because psychedelics work on the mind, those with mental illness may be more susceptible to negative effects (although there isn't complete evidence of that as these substances are illegal and can't be extensively studied).

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Labeling something as Sacred/ Devine does not make it so. ie; the Church (abuse, hatred, rape, corruption etc).





Correct.

Labelling something evil does not make it so.

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As they have been shown to have permanent neurological effects.




If it is true that mushrooms have been shown to cause permanent NEGATIVE neurological effects, please provide the evidence where this is shown.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27088891 - 12/14/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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They did not rape me during the "trip".
It has taken over my dreams (for 3+ years).

The "conversation" mushrooms have with people after they take them, is not an ordinary conversation. It is not a book you can choose to close (though I am still trying to), or a person you can walk away from.
They are more like a parasite, or infection.

They are living creatures/ beings. Not just another medicine/ substance.
It is niave to think they don't have their own kind of agenda.
And are using/ abusing vulnerable people?
That are then labled as menttaly ill, & alienated or medicated as a way of suppressing those who speak out.

This is a report of psychedelic use and dreams.
If you were to read others accounts of these experiences,
You may also conclude that they are delusional & or mentally unstable/schizophrenics.

If you keep lableing all negative experience from this substance as the fault of the individual, you are missing the point, that these mushrooms are not like other psychedelics. They can be decietfull and extremely abusive ( to anyone ).

People seem to have a way of turning every negative report about mushrooms around & blaming the individual.  These experiences are likely underreported,
Possibly because of these kind of abusive comments.

What makes your positive reviews any more valid than my negative report?

This does not make sense;
They are promoted as a treatment for depression and suicidal thoughts. Yet should not be taken if you have a history of mental health problems.

Lableing something as Sacred/ Devine does not make it so. ie; the Church (abuse, hatred, rape, corruption etc).

From my understanding they are the " Forbidden Fruit" from the bible. To eat them and surely die, may not be a literal death.
You may lose your sense of self and free will?
As they have been shown to have permanent neurological effects. If you have taken mushrooms already. Then you can never know if your ideas are really your own or the mushrooms.




You use the term "fault," suggesting other users have said that these experiences are "your fault." I think this is a misinterpretation - the psilocybin may indeed have had a very negative effect on you. Few here would deny that mushrooms can produce or potentiate very negative and unwanted conditions in the minds and lives of people who use them. They're not universally positive and beneficial.

So, you need to separate these things out. It's not a question of "fault," it's a question of whether what you're describing seems like a plausible or likely interpretation of reality. You can be totally blameless, but that does not mean you are interpreting everything in the most accurate and skillful way. We're all very fallible.

I'm not going to claim that I know every property of this mysterious compound. Maybe it does have some sort of sentience, maybe there is some way in which it communicates with people, or opens a line of communication between people and another plane. There's certainly no concrete evidence for that, and it would drastically alter our scientific models of reality, but it's in the realm of possibility.

But the simplest explanation here is that these experiences have created a severe imbalance in your perception and interpretation of reality. With respect, it is not likely that a mushroom can abuse and rape a person, especially after the principal active compound has left one's body, which it does pretty quickly after a trip.

As I said, I've seen many other posters here having gone through similar things, and I myself have found myself in this kind of state. I wasn't and those posters weren't all doomed to live in that state forever. You have to find grounding and healing, and that may involve western psychiatric interventions, or alternative options, and may involve finding a way to rest for awhile and nourish your body and mind.

I would recommend returning to some basics: walking a lot, doing some vigorous exercise for 20-30 minutes a day, staying hydrated, preparing three healthy meals a day for yourself if possible, talking with a trusted friend or family member regularly if possible, and maybe looking into some techniques for positive self affirmation.

I wish you well and please don't take any of this as an attack or attempt to invalidate your experiences. I know from my personal experience, sometimes you need to have an outside perspective reminding you that what you're going through is temporary and healing can be found.


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Lion]
    #27088929 - 12/14/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Lableing something a "conspiracy theory" is also another way of disregarding something you do not understand.

That cell-phones, cell towers, WiFi etc cause cancer & DNA damage is another topic. (Controversial - because of disinformstion & corruption of scientific studies)
If you still think this radiation is safe, you haven't done enough research.(I can post links?).


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27088998 - 12/14/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I wish you all the best Arron.
There's nothing wrong with seeking help, for anyone at any time may need it.
Some of the ideas you are having seem very 'overwhelming' to you, and you believe your thoughts to be true. Sending positive vibes in your direction.

I also sometimes trick myself into believing things that are not true, everyone does. I think you need professional help. If you were willing to try mushrooms, you should be willing to try therapy.

All methods are worth a better quality of life. Get home, find a nice spot where you can be safe and work on this.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27089007 - 12/14/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

As you have said;
"Few here would deny that mushrooms can produce or potentiate very negative and unwanted conditions in the minds and lives of people who use them. They're not universally positive and beneficial."

What mushrooms are is not well understood.

They are not in the same food group as; kale, peanuts and Aspirin.

I understand my report has caused some cognitive dissonance, it would be upsetting to find out that something you trusted, ingested and advocated could in fact RAPE and TORTURE people.
Maybe you could stop arguing with me about the credibility of my report and do some further research yourself to see if you can find any other cases of this happening?


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27089032 - 12/14/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Arron said:
As you have said;
"Few here would deny that mushrooms can produce or potentiate very negative and unwanted conditions in the minds and lives of people who use them. They're not universally positive and beneficial."

What mushrooms are is not well understood.

They are not in the same food group as; kale, peanuts and Aspirin.

I understand my report has caused some cognitive dissonance, it would be upsetting to find out that something you trusted, ingested and advocated could in fact RAPE and TORTURE people.
Maybe you could stop arguing with me about the credibility of my report and do some further research yourself to see if you can find any other cases of this happening?


I've been at this website for 15 years and I've read thousands of trip reports and compared experiences with many fellow users of psychedelics. I have indeed seen people report similar things to what you've described, and in most cases they were diagnosed at some point with paranoid schizophrenia. I myself could have easily received such a diagnosis had I shared my delusions with the average mental health provider at some point. Thankfully I have found other ways of incorporating these darker elements of psychedelic use and of my own psyche - a difficult ongoing work. In the more positive cases people are able to heal and reflect after the fact that they had been going through a mental and/or spiritual crisis that was accompanied by delusive and extremely paranoid ideation.


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27089055 - 12/14/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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They are not in the same food group as; kale, peanuts and Aspirin.

I understand my report has caused some cognitive dissonance, it would be upsetting to find out that something you trusted, ingested and advocated could in fact RAPE and TORTURE people.
Maybe you could stop arguing with me about the credibility of my report and do some further research yourself to see if you can find any other cases of this happening?




Aspirin is not a food but ok.

I am willing to subject myself to a battery of mental evaluations by independent, licensed, professionals. How about you?


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    #27089177 - 12/14/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I understand my report has caused some cognitive dissonance, it would be upsetting to find out that something you trusted, ingested and advocated could in fact RAPE and TORTURE people.
Maybe you could stop arguing with me about the credibility of my report and do some further research yourself to see if you can find any other cases of this happening?




You are projecting.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and so far, your only argument is that we should believe you because you said so.

If we were to subject ourselves to mental evaluations, do you think the medical professionals would conclude you are correct and everybody else here is wrong?


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    #27089187 - 12/14/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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From my experience they are forbidden because they can destroy your sense of self and free will.
There are other ways of finding out what is going on. Or thinking for yourself, than taking mushrooms.

To quote Terrance again, to say; " The mushroom said to me...."
Is not thinking for yourself.




They can do that especially if your beliefs about self and free will ran oppposite prior to the truth.

Mushrooms given multiple heavy doses will most likely change your world view.
Depending on the size of the shift this can be incredibly uncomfortable.


The .mushrooms didn't tell you anything.
They just allowed you to have a more true conversation with yourself.


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    #27089191 - 12/14/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I hope with time and space you can allow yourself to get better.


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    #27089319 - 12/14/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

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    #27092768 - 12/16/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'll 2nd that mushrooms have been extremely positive in my life, so much so others have seen the change. Sorry you had a bad experience and are able to find the help you need.

Just like marijuana, and a long list of substances, Psychedelics can bring out schizophrenia, psychosis, and other mental health disorders in people who are genetically prone to them. They are not for everybody.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Rise against]
    #27093687 - 12/17/20 08:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)



They (mushrooms) have been like the character "Ditto" in this fight scene from the Pokemon movie.
Morphing into different characters in my sleep.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27093721 - 12/17/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The dream state is not sane.
The pscycedelic experience is not sane.
That mushrooms can have (negative) effects on these states is a fact.

To say they can "bring out" or "trigger" an underlying condition is a decietful use of words.
They (cause) symptoms of these conditions in some people.


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    #27093791 - 12/17/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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The dream state is not sane.
The pscycedelic experience is not sane.
That mushrooms can have (negative) effects on these states is a fact.

To say they can "bring out" or "trigger" an underlying condition is a decietful use of words.
They (cause) symptoms of these conditions in some people.




"In some people." Exactly, They are not for everyone. Not everybody knows if they are at risk for psychiatric disorders, but people with a history of psychiatric issues or family history of psychiatric issues should not use psychedelics or any substance for that matter.


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    #27093821 - 12/17/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

They are promoted as a treatment for depression.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27093832 - 12/17/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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They are promoted as a treatment for depression.



Treatment for depression usually is.

And they are. But all medication does not work for all people...
Especially not when the set, setting and dosage is controlled by the subject himself.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Malkuthian]
    #27094118 - 12/17/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The mushrooms had said in one of my 5gram trips that
"I can work with mushrooms".

You cannot tell if they will be safe for you.
They can lie and trick you.

Here are some quotes from an online research paper;

"(Moore, 2002). Thus, the shaman’s perception is made psychedelic. This psychedelic state is permanent, for a powerful psychological agent, such as a psychedelic, changes you forever. Counter-conditioning a psychedelic experience is extremely difficult. It may happen, however."

"A psychedelic survey was administered through the Internet. The sample was comprised of numerous individuals who have all used psychedelics. The participants are of different ages, ranging from 18 year olds to 60+ year olds. The question, “Have psychedelics changed you permanently?” was asked. There were 51 participants. Ninety-two percent of participants answered yes. As indicated in the psychedelic survey (Wilkins, 2008), once this psychedelic potential is made manifest, it stays manifested for conditioning has taken place (Moore, 2002)."


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27094157 - 12/17/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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The dream state is not sane.
The pscycedelic experience is not sane.
That mushrooms can have (negative) effects on these states is a fact.

To say they can "bring out" or "trigger" an underlying condition is a decietful use of words.
They (cause) symptoms of these conditions in some people.



This is very true. The dream state and psychedelic experience state have much in common. And the negatively experienced effects on these states is fact as well.
Your warning is heard and valid.
Now, for you it seems important to me that you learn to navigate and understand the experiences you went or are going through. It is not rational and doesn't necessarily make sense at first. Maybe you can start talking about the issues you have currently instead of trying to convince us that mushrooms are poisonous and evil (which they aren't).


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27094438 - 12/17/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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"A psychedelic survey was administered through the Internet. The sample was comprised of numerous individuals who have all used psychedelics. The participants are of different ages, ranging from 18 year olds to 60+ year olds. The question, “Have psychedelics changed you permanently?” was asked. There were 51 participants. Ninety-two percent of participants answered yes. As indicated in the psychedelic survey (Wilkins, 2008), once this psychedelic potential is made manifest, it stays manifested for conditioning has taken place (Moore, 2002)."




Does the study say whether the 92% think the change is good, bad, or neutral?

I would answer YES, without any doubt. Shrooms has change my life, I would not be the same person without ever having tried them.
The same thing goes for Music
And art
And literature
And school.
And career
And life Partner
And having children
Etc.
Etc.

This is life.
Why are you portraying this as something problematic?

That some thing has a deep and powerful effect on existence is not a bad thing.



Are you perhaps experiencing your problems because you were not ready to change who you are as much as you did from these experiences?


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Malkuthian]
    #27094521 - 12/17/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

i want hear more about the RAPE, purely from a psychological standpoint.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: Arron]
    #27094555 - 12/17/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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They are promoted as a treatment for depression.




Depression isn't a thought disorder like schizophrenia, delusions, paranoia or psychosis. It's a mood disorder.


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    #27094565 - 12/17/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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They are promoted as a treatment for depression.




Depression isn't a thought disorder like schizophrenia, delusions, paranoia or psychosis. It's a mood disorder.

It likely won't ever be a first line treatment for depression either. But rather used for people for who don't respond to common treatments. There are risks, and a psychedelic experience can be traumatic to some people. They can also be incredibly spiritual and healing to others. Doesn't mean anybody's weak or broken or special or even that mushrooms are bad. They just aren't for everyone. I think that knowing the risks and being educated on the subject can mitigate risks and help people decide whether it's something they truly want to take part in. And if they do, there are right ways to do it and wrong ways to do it.

Most of the time when I hear about bad trips it comes down to 2 things. Poor Set and setting and/or taking too much and freaking out. That doesn't mean that mushrooms are evil, it means that they took too much and weren't expecting it to be so intense. Education is important with everything.

The first time I drank, I drank too much and got alcohol poisoning. Didn't mean I advocated for alcohol to be illegal. I chalked it up to inexperience and ignorance and chose not to do that again.


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    #27106895 - 12/25/20 04:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

(I could not access my email address to use my account; Arron. I am writing as ArronH.)

I had a stable low mood before I took them (depression).
I have not read anywhere else, about this happening,
(dreams being taken over by abusive visions after taking mushrooms).
It is not talked about, or written about enough. That this kind of thing can happen.
There are more positive reviews than negative.
All severe negative reviews, it seems, are blamed on the individual.
My report is not about a "bad trip" (set or setting etc)
it is about permanent effects, that could happen to anyone.
There was something like a rife frequency in my brain after 10grams.
Now there is a constant ringing in my ears, and abusive tortured visions.

This is not schizophrenia.

It is a living HELL.
Mushrooms have the potential/ability to be EVIL.


Edited by ArronH (12/25/20 04:53 AM)


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: ArronH]
    #27106970 - 12/25/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I experienced the tortured visions you're talking about, and I recognize that "living hell" is a good description for them.


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    #27106978 - 12/25/20 07:10 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Merry Christmas Arron, I hope you find lasting tranquil peace.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. *DELETED* [Re: anatomality]
    #27107102 - 12/25/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Post deleted by ArronH

Reason for deletion: I think I have said enough about this.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: ArronH]
    #27107182 - 12/25/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

dont blame the mushrooms for something stupid you did and now have to suffer for it. That will get you nowhere.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27107267 - 12/25/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not sure you can understand what has happened to me.
I have tried to explain it, and there are drawings on my Facebook page
that show how it feels.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: ArronH]
    #27107301 - 12/25/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

im still waiting to hear about how u were raped...


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: pincheburro]
    #27107417 - 12/25/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Do you believe the mushroom spirit or something is now torturing you on purpose? Or something demonic, other than the mushroom?


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    #27107438 - 12/25/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I have explained what has happened in my report.
I will not explain this torture further than to say it is HELL
They (mushrooms) have RAPED me.


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    #27117688 - 12/31/20 07:33 AM (3 years, 28 days ago)

meh, pics or didnt happen!


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    #27119856 - 01/01/21 08:03 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Pics of what?
I have some drawings on my Facebook page.


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Re: Magic mushrooms RAPED me. [Re: ArronH]
    #27241972 - 03/07/21 01:58 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I have had a reply to this report on my facebook page, i thought i should share it here\

“I remember feeling as though I had died & was taken somewhere.”

Nevertheless, you were not dead. You made that up!

“I could see and hear family. I chose to stay alive by waking and drinking water. Some of it was frightening.”

I get it, you were scared, you thought you’d died. I call that ego dissolution except you held the thread of “I’m dead”. You didn’t let go. You’re not dead.

“I took them” — there’s that pesky ego ‘I’. How easily it forgets its responsibilities.

“Sometimes geometric patterns & insect like humming & something trying to tell me a story about my life & civilization.” Were they or did you make that up too?

I am not sure from memory at what point “they took over” my dreams and became increasingly intimidating, threatening, violent, obscene and abusive.

Here you are avoiding responsibilities for your dreams and seeking to blame something outside your head.


“Then began to rape me.”

They are trying to kill me, to stop me from talking about this.
(I have been “driven” to attempt suicide).

Suicide is a choice. And many many have talked about the vivid and true hallucinations they have experienced on mushrooms.

The scenes and creatures in my dreams also became very strange; Animals morphed into different animals.
Mermaids talking to me. Dolphins, Birds, Leprechauns.
Fairies, Indians, Egyptians, a Chinese man/ Dwarf.
Also, Aliens & flying saucers, a ghost ship, blue beings (that were abusive), & something like a devil woman, with sheep horns. Something with 3 moving eyes. That said “it wanted me to go insane.”

You made that up too! That it is you talking w you. You are a 3.48 billion old creature and you’re remembering past experiences that left an emotional imprint.


“I have seen terrible visions of violence, rape and abuse. They are torturing me.”

You are torturing you and blaming “them”. Those visions are a product of your imagination.

I used to grow & smoke cannabis occasionally, “they have caused me to throw away my seed collection & burn my supply of buds.” Well that was silly of you! Take responsibility for your actions. The voices in your head are yours.

“They were trying to make me have children” ... maybe they truly activated an ancient species that lives on your brain stem and they can only reproduce when you reproduce ... that’s what “they” said to me. And when I reproduced, “they” let me go.


They drove me to live further away from this radiation /EMF. I lived by a lake in the mountains for some months, also a cave in the bush.

See my brain stem theory above, I made that up! But I live on the edge of the wilderness.

In one of the dreams, a Dwarf, who called himself "Dues",
“Told me” to take 10grams of magic mushrooms.

You told you!

(I did not realize at the time that they were the cause of my strange dreams). The 10grams I took were a strain called "Pink Buffalo" from website spores 101,
That I grew myself indoors using PFKtek.

Nice talent ... that can financially liberate you!


When I took them I was in a small hut in the mountains.
I felt very relaxed and seen a White Swan, then something like a rife frequency in my brain. A vibration that continued for maybe 1 hour. Then I sat up & felt reasonably (unreasonably?) normal, apart from some morphing patterns & animals (an elephant) on the carpet.
I felt ok, though slightly nauseated.

At some time after this I stopped playing along with “their” plan for me to have children.

Yeah, dude, that’s your genetics talking. You are a walking talking reproduction machine.

“Because they had (physically) RAPED me. “

What if they physically raped an earlier combination of your genetics and you just found out?


I do not want to describe this detail. I will only say it is sickening, beyond belief.

I decided I could not have children after these events.

No children! — Now “they” really want to torture you!

Because; A- The abuse that was compelling me to.
B- The risk that the mushrooms could somehow pass this on to my children.

Maybe A: “they” can. And B: they are not the mushrooms but use tryptamines to communicate.

If my theory is correct and I don’t assume it is but maybe suppose it is, they are living in the brain stem of some but not all humans and when they are sufficiently activate “they” purge your psyche of past horror you previous genetic configurations have committed or experienced.

I have not read of any other accounts of something this terrible happening before.

It’s happened to me. No shit! But it was Ayahuasca.

There was no warning that this might happen.

Wait? You didn’t see the disclaimer about the risk of being alive? You are not alone!

“They have ruined my life.” Are you sure “they” the mushrooms or they the brain stem creatures have?


I hope that my experience can be a warning to other people. Magic mushrooms are not safe at any dose.

They can lie & trick you.

Mushrooms don’t lie or trick ... they are mushrooms and your brain and maybe the brain stem creatures reacted to the tryptamines and woke up.

I say all this to hopefully spark up your willingness to take responsibility. Blaming mushrooms will not solve your problems. I’m curious though why you don’t blame the tryptamines or why you haven’t made up alternative theories to choose from, which may be just as plausible.

I truly experienced a conversation within my self about these creatures on my brain stem in which they said they’d let me live if I’d reproduce. I left my wife of 7 years who didn’t want babies in March 2015 and I found a girl that did as we were pregnant by August 13th! My life has never been the same and yet “mama aya” has been so nice to me since. And even that is all my interpretation, my story, my laying  blame on the plant rather than on me.


Please consider talking with a Grof Transpersonal Psychotherapist. They have a book called “spiritual emergency” which might greatly assist.

This work is their forte.


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