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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: Doc9151]
    #27080857 - 12/09/20 05:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

No1: Nobody is identifying a whole jar, but that's what we got. That is what OP presented to us.  From what can be seen, there is no galerina there.
No2: Nobody ever died eating just one galerina.
No3: He said he was MICROSDOSING.
No4: MentalPariah's post was not an ADVICE.
No5: Everybody is just trying to help here, so need to be so hostile.
No6: There are several things can cause the symptoms OP experienced, mmmm let me think..... oh yeah, here is one: COVID.
No7: OP disappeared from this thread, less than an hour after the initial post. What is that mean? WHO KNOWS? He possibly went to the hospital, so he's in good care either way.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: ZenZone] * 1
    #27080870 - 12/09/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you all for chiming in. I feel a lot better now and believe it was just some stomachache caused by food poisoning. The mushrooms in the jar are all pretty identical. Some were unbruised at time of picking leaving little blue staining. I just wanted to make sure the colors / pics shown resembled dried cyanescens. I appreciate all of your insights and will continue with microdosing. I am pretty sure dried gallerinas would dry different to the ones shown in my jar.


After posting I went to bed and then made soup upon my return to planet earth. This made headache and stomachache go away. Again💓you're all fucking awesome


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: ZenZone]
    #27080874 - 12/09/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Oh yay! :cheers: Glad you're feeling better. Some of us here were freaking out!


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: ZenZone]
    #27080875 - 12/09/20 05:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Some extra thoughts on galerina:

This is a quote from Alan Rockefeller:

"You should not worry so much about Galerina, 1 or 2 wouldn't do anything anyway.
Just don't eat 20 of them." link

Here is another one from Alan, regarding galerina:

"Yes all of the noobs think that hippies are dropping like flies from eating Galerina because all of the beginning mushroom hunting literature overstates the danger.  While it is true that deadly mushrooms can grow 1 cm from actives (I saw this happen in San Francisco), it turns out that to get poisoned you have to eat a lot of deadly mushrooms.    Hippies who are wondering if their Galerina marginata or Pholiotina filaris are active and eat 2 or 3 aren't going to notice anything other than placebo." link

I'm not trying to take away of the seriousness of galerina poisoning, I'm just trying to put it into perspective.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: ZenZone]
    #27080926 - 12/09/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

This is super good to know :thumbup: !!!


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: ZenZone]
    #27080952 - 12/09/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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ZenZone said:
Some extra thoughts on galerina:

This is a quote from Alan Rockefeller:

"You should not worry so much about Galerina, 1 or 2 wouldn't do anything anyway.
Just don't eat 20 of them." link

Here is another one from Alan, regarding galerina:

"Yes all of the noobs think that hippies are dropping like flies from eating Galerina because all of the beginning mushroom hunting literature overstates the danger.  While it is true that deadly mushrooms can grow 1 cm from actives (I saw this happen in San Francisco), it turns out that to get poisoned you have to eat a lot of deadly mushrooms.    Hippies who are wondering if their Galerina marginata or Pholiotina filaris are active and eat 2 or 3 aren't going to notice anything other than placebo." link

I'm not trying to take away of the seriousness of galerina poisoning, I'm just trying to put it into perspective.




I was gonna bring this up but I couldn't find the evidence to support that. I know Alan has said quite a few times that you'd have to almost eat enough to get full for any appreciable effects from galerina. Yes they are named deadly galerina but I feel that name is misleading to an extent. Thanks for finding that and quoting it.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: MentalPariah]
    #27080993 - 12/09/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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First off,  we said that what we can see is Psilocybe cyanescens, that doesn't mean that everything in the jar is just that, don't read into what people say. I also immediately edited my post to mention posting pictures outside of the jar. With the evidence presented in the total post, I will still say the same thing,  they are Psilocybe cyanescens.




MentalPariah specifically said that the mushrooms in the jar were not Galerina because they had purple gills, implying that he had x-ray vision and could see everything in the jar.

In your case specifically I feel like as a TI you could at least have mentioned the possibility that he might indeed have eaten something unidentified and in that case it would be appropriate to seek medical attention instead of assuring that you don't see anything poisonous even though you cannot see the whole content of the jar.

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No1: Nobody is identifying a whole jar, but that's what we got. That is what OP presented to us.  From what can be seen, there is no galerina there.




MentalPariah specifically said that the mushrooms in the jar were not Galerinas because the gills were purple, you can go back and read that. Not a single mention to not being able to tell about the whole jar.

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No2: Nobody ever died eating just one galerina.
No3: He said he was MICROSDOSING.



You can't tell how much he consumed from the information he provided, even if he said he was microdosing he didn't specify the quantity or how often.

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No4: MentalPariah's post was not an ADVICE.



Someone asks for advice and you reply providing information. Call that what you want.

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No6: There are several things can cause the symptoms OP experienced, mmmm let me think..... oh yeah, here is one: COVID.



There is another one, mmmm let me think..... oh yeah, here is one: α-amanitin. What was your point? There are a million things that could have the same symptoms, but this person just came and admitted he might have eaten Galerina mushrooms.

α-amanitin varies a lot among collected specimens and besides, you do not know absolutely anything about mcasas' medical history to tell if he would be more susceptible to a much smaller dose.

I just find absurd that everyone acted like what you could see is fine so he should be fine and there was not a single mention to maybe he should seek medical attention because maybe he's been ingesting Galerinas. You're all acting like it was enough to tell that what you could see was not Galerina when the obvious majority of the mushrooms were dry hidden in the jar, and then acting like I'm the one losing my shit. Come on.

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"Yes all of the noobs think that hippies are dropping like flies from eating Galerina because all of the beginning mushroom hunting literature overstates the danger.  While it is true that deadly mushrooms can grow 1 cm from actives (I saw this happen in San Francisco), it turns out that to get poisoned you have to eat a lot of deadly mushrooms.    Hippies who are wondering if their Galerina marginata or Pholiotina filaris are active and eat 2 or 3 aren't going to notice anything other than placebo."





I respect Alan's knowledge a lot and his contributions here but that statement is overly generic. Without knowing how much of the substance the 3 mushrooms at hand produced you're just saying that on average, the average healthy adult would not drop dead from consuming that. Absolutely does not mean that the whole population would be safe. And you know what is the best way to be safe? It's by actually running tests to make sure your liver and kidney are fine.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: shroower]
    #27081035 - 12/09/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Been watching this post...glad your all good  mcasas! Also I appreciate most posters not getting hysterical and not plying up poisoning anxieties.
Shroower- your concerns are good too. I read people’s responses as being measured and logical and yes USA health care sux.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: mcasa]
    #27081037 - 12/09/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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mcasa said:
Thank you all for chiming in. I feel a lot better now and believe it was just some stomachache caused by food poisoning. The mushrooms in the jar are all pretty identical. Some were unbruised at time of picking leaving little blue staining. I just wanted to make sure the colors / pics shown resembled dried cyanescens. I appreciate all of your insights and will continue with microdosing. I am pretty sure dried gallerinas would dry different to the ones shown in my jar.


After posting I went to bed and then made soup upon my return to planet earth. This made headache and stomachache go away. Again💓you're all fucking awesome




Glad you're doing well.

My apologies if I hurt anyone's feelings, although admittedly I lost my temper I really just worry about everyone's safety and health :smile:


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: shroower] * 1
    #27081195 - 12/09/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

For those interested, here is one of the most recent comprehensive papers on the subject of alpha-amanitin producing Galerina species.  Free to download here https://open.library.ubc.ca/cIRcle/collections/ubctheses/24/items/1.0378696

Some points to consider - The author estimates it would take 10 fruit bodies to deliver a lethal dose to a child weighing 44lbs. G. marginata is a species complex in need of revision and the author was unable to confirm any toxicity of G. marginata s.l. All toxin producing Galerina belong to sect. Naucoriopsis comprising 14 species. "Of the 61 Galerina samples assayed for the presence of amatoxins, all toxin-positive samples belonged to sect. Naucoriopsis: 24/25 samples from this group were unambiguously positive for the presence of α-amanitin, with 19 of these 24 also containing β-amanitin. Only one sample (G. badipes) from this subgenus was toxin-negative. G. marginata s.l. and G. sulciceps also belong to sect. Naucoriopsis and have been reported in the literature as containing amatoxins but were unconfirmed as toxin-producers in this study" and this study also lends evidence that certain members of Gymnopilus belong to Galerina lineage ‘Mycenopsis’ notably species labeled as G. sapineus, G. penetrans, G. spectabilis and G. punctifolius.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: shroower] * 1
    #27081988 - 12/10/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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So I have been microdosing cyanescens for a while and last night I had some intense stomach pains, chills along with other symptoms of gallerina poisoning... Please give me your thoughts on my stash/ all looked pretty spot on. It may have just been food poisoning.





So lets put some gasoline on fire.
Why do you apologize shroower ?
You are right.
Yes, some mushrooms in the pics look like cyans but everybody keeps on missing the point.
There is a jar full of mushrooms, dried as well, many of which can not be seen. And everbody keeps on reassuring him it's perfectly normal to feel sick when eating cyans. Like we fucking know what he ate, and what he considers microdose. We suspect he ate cyans but we can't vouch for all of his collection.
Furthermore, stomach ache and nausea can pass, giving false sign od remission in a-amanitin poisoning. It means nothing that he is feeling better after 1 day. I hope as well all the shrooms are cyans and it was just slight GI.
And this Zen guy is a fucking joke. Considering his stupid list of points and other ti's comments you can conclude microdosing galerina is just about right. Then he proceeds to quote Rockefeller 2x, like it's relevant at all other than kiss Alan's ass maybe to get TI tag some day. I see it happen here all the time, Alan said this Alan said that, ok guys, I appreciate his work too, but he can be wrong. Also I see no point in zen virus spamming, can one day pass I don't hear that f-ing word and everyone spamming about it. Like it's the only disease in the world. Not only we forgot all the other viruses, cancer and what not, now also potential mushroom poisoning could as well be sign of infection with the Chinese trash virus. And to the OP, you could check blood for amanitins if there is a lab nearby..I mean if you have a reasonable reason to believe you are poisoned. It is quite cheap where I live, and I live in second world country.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27082029 - 12/10/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

In the the second picture I can see the stipe bluing on the furthest right shroom, and the caps in the 3rd picture look crisp and tan brown like a real psilocybe

As a note I ate a bite of a mature chlorophyllum molybdites and I feel crazy trippin before I felt the poison and had to stay in bed for hours

Before I got sick on that poison I sprinted back to where I found the c. Molybdites and I saw tracers I smoked a cig over there and saw tracers and made circles out of the tracers.  But I felt terribly ill later

On a side notes about the poison,  I knew exactly what that mushrooms was when I took a bite of one I dropped by the road.  I just made an unwise decision to eat a bite anyway, so I knew I wasn’t trippin on psilocybin at the moment.  But a poison may possibly even be misinterpreted by the uninformed in theory.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: Jadedgreen]
    #27082360 - 12/10/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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In the the second picture I can see the stipe bluing on the furthest right shroom, and the caps in the 3rd picture look crisp and tan brown like a real psilocybe

As a note I ate a bite of a mature chlorophyllum molybdites and I feel crazy trippin before I felt the poison and had to stay in bed for hours

Before I got sick on that poison I sprinted back to where I found the c. Molybdites and I saw tracers I smoked a cig over there and saw tracers and made circles out of the tracers.  But I felt terribly ill later

On a side notes about the poison,  I knew exactly what that mushrooms was when I took a bite of one I dropped by the road.  I just made an unwise decision to eat a bite anyway, so I knew I wasn’t trippin on psilocybin at the moment.  But a poison may possibly even be misinterpreted by the uninformed in theory.





So your saying you ate a poisonous mushroom on purpose?

Why sit here and advocate for eating a poisonous mushroom and saying it made you trip and that everything was good.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27082442 - 12/10/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

What I see is alot of new people joining lately that need to shift it down a bit and respect the road that has already been paved and get respected before trying to guide or give any advice...Some of the TI's have been AFK and mad respect to those who are still IDing but thats the thing let a TI chime in before dropping any advice first...Mushroom Poisoning's are nothing to be put off as a he/she will be ok and I totally agree with that...OP does have somewhat of a mystery jar there that cannot be confirmed as all being Cyans but lets all just tone it down a bit with each other there is no need to carry on about the topic anymore...Lets get along!!

OP I'm glad everything is ok please no more jar pics of mushrooms :rofl2: And the ultimate decision to seek help if needed is yours and only yours if ever you feel like you have been poisoned seek help...I've seen threads posted for ID after ingestion never get posted in again so Mushrooms can and will kill you!!


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: HAKR ELITE]
    #27082699 - 12/10/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I’m not saying everything was good though yeah it sounds wrong the effects of poison are much different than trippin It was much different I’m just saying there are positive side effects before the poison starts to get you. Yet no euphoria or beneficial effects like actually tripping. I was mad I dropped that one nd went home and read about them sorry that sounds like negative influence


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: HAKR ELITE]
    #27082743 - 12/10/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry to keep beating a dead horse, but I have to on this one....  Facts:  all you can ID from the OP is psilocybe, false:  no proof/ pic has been provided to assume the worst....  Fast food can cause the same symptoms...So all we know is that what is pictured(can see)is active.  Shroower you def.  don't need to be name dropping like that... Mental and the others that you dropped are very well rounded with ID's and general knowledge.  You should be mad at the OP.  For starting a thread like this and abandoning it for a day, plus if you haven't vetted out toxic mushrooms before you dry, then you prob. Shouldn't be hunting by yourself.  You should have at least 3 chances to catch a toxic mushroom.  When you pick, spore print, when you dry them, and after drying. Plus make ID request if you are not 100% sure.  If you still can't determine if they are active after that, then you should toss em.  Shroower chill out and think before you post.  No one was telling him to eat a toxic mushy,  in fact there was NO (zero) evidence of the worst except for a few symptoms that hundreds of other things can cause.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: Nitro87]
    #27082781 - 12/10/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

1st and 2nd pic absolutely cyans or alleni.  3rd pic either cyans or something I have no clue because there is only that picture.

Regardless, I definitely second the other posters here.  Look up how much galerinas are toxic, because I know eating like one small one won't kill you, but is not good either lol.  Because if you ate like 8 dried mushrooms and 3-4 could've been bad, then you need to be careful and go to the hospital.  Dont tell them anything about psychedelics just say you were urban foraging or some shit and get screened.

Regardless, I think all the pictures were cyans.  Second, if it were me and I'd become convinced I'd eaten a serious amount of galerinas somehow I'd be at the hospital posting this.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: Nitro87]
    #27082865 - 12/10/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Sorry to keep beating a dead horse, but I have to on this one....  Facts:  all you can ID from the OP is psilocybe, false:  no proof/ pic has been provided to assume the worst....  Fast food can cause the same symptoms...So all we know is that what is pictured(can see)is active.  Shroower you def.  don't need to be name dropping like that... Mental and the others that you dropped are very well rounded with ID's and general knowledge.  You should be mad at the OP.  For starting a thread like this and abandoning it for a day, plus if you haven't vetted out toxic mushrooms before you dry, then you prob. Shouldn't be hunting by yourself.  You should have at least 3 chances to catch a toxic mushroom.  When you pick, spore print, when you dry them, and after drying. Plus make ID request if you are not 100% sure.  If you still can't determine if they are active after that, then you should toss em.  Shroower chill out and think before you post.  No one was telling him to eat a toxic mushy,  in fact there was NO (zero) evidence of the worst except for a few symptoms that hundreds of other things can cause.




Oh I thought before posting, I thought.

And you're still saying that it's a fact that everything presented by mcasas are Psilocybe cyanescens which is fucking absurd considering at least 70% of the mushrooms are dry, hidden and unidentifiable on that jar.

I will never get mad at a person that comes here and admits a mistake that he could've eaten a deadly poisonous mushroom. Someone in that position needs help and not to be scorched.

Now the people downplaying that and thinking they are able to ID dry mushrooms in a jar behind other mushrooms and talking about food poisoning in this case, yea, I don't give a fuck about their reputation.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: shroower]
    #27082887 - 12/10/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Damn dude, do you even read?  I said what can be seen.  Could be a fairy that he ate, I am not assuming anything.  Unlike you who seems upset that he’s ok... In the words of an unwise man “Come on man!”  Quit making mountains out of mole hills. 

P.S.  I am glad that mcasa is doing good.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: Nitro87]
    #27082901 - 12/10/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Remember boys and girls Alan said it takes 20 to kill you via organ damage, so that means if you eat 1 or 2, your organs will be just fine and you have nothing to worry about.

The only (Listen close "Experts") ONLY responsible thing to say is "There is no positive ID on what you actually ate, so it is possible you could have eaten it". Everyone else just seems to be a little salty because they were rightfully called out.

Seems like nobody is even a little concerned that OP is probably going to keep the jar


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