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Dr. Delban
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Is existence of everything we know an anomaly?
#27081017 - 12/09/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have been asking myself this question all my life. Is the existence of everything an anomaly? What is the natural state of things: existence (of anything) or the ultimate void state of things, where nothing exists: no space, no time, no sound, no colour, no past or future events. Is such ultimate state of NOTHING even logical or possible? What is logical: that something and everything exists? Or is the state of ultimate NO EVENT - ZERO DATA more logical? I'm not theorising about such void place existing somewhere within the Universe. I am talking about a state of things where nothing exists at all and nothing ever happened. If you are imagining a hollow black grey or white space, then this still is not what I am talking about as there would be no colour. I understand that such thoughts can be easily dismissed as delusional meaningless and pointless. But on the contrary, we accept the current state of existence for granted, as an obvious thing, where I don't necessarily see it as such.
Sometimes I imagine that this "ultimate void" was the natural state of things, and that suddenly an anomaly took place in which first bit of data was spawned. Then it just self-evolved. When I contrast these two states of existence and non-existence in my mind, I feel like nothing makes any sense at all anymore. Existence of anything makes no sense just as much as the non-existence and no-event state. If there is a divine entity that people describe as "God", I imagine that this entity doesn't fully understand what actually has happened and is confused about its own existence.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Dr. Delban]
#27081424 - 12/10/20 01:12 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Short answer: No.
Longer answer: coming in a bit lol.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Dr. Delban]
#27081756 - 12/10/20 08:32 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Whether it's anomalous or not is a difficult question to address because it's all we know. But the existence of everything is mystical and inexplicable I think. It could seem anomalous but this is just the mind contrasting what we experience with what me might imagine.
I also think the logic of something or nothing is equally difficult to address for similar reason. It is not logical for a thing to exist except to say there is causality involved but that can only explain so much. It is not logical to say nothing is more logical except as a reaction to our inability to rationalize existence.
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Dr. Delban
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
#27082057 - 12/10/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Having contrasted these two contradictive concepts of existence and non-existence, it always provided me with an instant, very overwhelming and powerful feeling of paradox of existence. I remember being a kid and closing my eyes, contrasting these two and getting a buzz of the paradox feeling which was always a very strong mind bending experience. Sometimes I would do this a few times a day. It would always hit me once I have gone through the exact same steps of imagining the ultimate void and then contrasting this with existence of everything that we know. I was my legal high... I think I may have approached a couple of people and tried talking about this back then, but they didn't quite understand what I was talking about and dismissed it as just some childish mumbling. I was disappointed because I thought it was obvious that everyone around me was doing the same thing and digging the same concepts.
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Loaded Shaman said: Short answer: No.
Longer answer: coming in a bit lol.
I really would like to hear your detailed view.
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Edited by Dr. Delban (12/10/20 12:09 PM)
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Dr. Delban]
#27082100 - 12/10/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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The universe doesn't do anything by accident
What this means, I couldn't tell you
Closest guess I have is that it is a simulation with in game purchases and none of this matters
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: skOsH]
#27082141 - 12/10/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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skOsH said: The universe doesn't do anything by accident
This would be because it is underpinned by the rules of mathematics which controls everything really and lays foundations to any, even most primitive logic.
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skOsH said: Closest guess I have is that it is a simulation
I used to think it could be a simulation but what I think is more of a certain fact is that it is a software environment. This obviously does not dismiss the simulation theory, but in order to run a simulation you would need to have some form of medium, which in this instance would be the "software". Then you could set it up as a simulation. The reason why I believe that we are living inside of a "software" environment is because all matter appears to be an illusion. Of what I gathered, I understand that particles are not made up of actual matter, but only contain energy, which "apparently" vibrates at certain frequencies. This creates an illusion of matter. I could be very wrong about this as I haven't studied physics much, it's just something that I remembered.
I think it is very important to ask the question, what is beyond the known universe. The chances are, that it is in fact very small, that it has boundaries and is located within a completely different structure which is ruled by some completely different and more complex laws of mathematics, logic and "physics"...
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Dr. Delban]
#27082162 - 12/10/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kind of like we are in a "The Sims" game and we cannot escape because that would be like something on a television or computer walking out of the screen
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sudly
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Dr. Delban]
#27083370 - 12/11/20 02:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dr. Delban said: Is the existence of everything an anomaly?
As a deviation from the void of space, yes.
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Dr. Delban said: What is the natural state of things:
I can't say for sure but the theory of causal fermion systems is an interesting approach imo.
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Dr. Delban said: Is such ultimate state of NOTHING even logical or possible?
Not as far as I know, Paul Dirac provided equations suggesting there is a 'sea' of particles colliding in the vacuum of space. So even the 'nothingness' of the void of space has something going on.
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Dr. Delban said: What is logical: that something and everything exists?
I'm not sure of how to interpret your question here. Without specifics or context I couldn't say.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
#27083587 - 12/11/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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is this intended to interrupt our ongoing existence to question if existence can exist.
just checking while existing.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: redgreenvines]
#27083629 - 12/11/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah it's pretty stupid that it gets greater could be enough for you
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: redgreenvines]
#27084282 - 12/11/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Does a slug intend to make slime?
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Dr. Delban]
#27084454 - 12/11/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dr. Delban said: I have been asking myself this question all my life. ...
In that case you probably don't really want an answer, especially if its a simple one.
1) You probably don't really want an answer, because it would end your search which by now is part of your identity and habit.
2) If the answer is simple, you might feel stupid if you accepted it, so therefore, if such an answer were given you would deny it.
3) So there is no point, for anyone who can answer it simply to do so. Who wants to make enemies? or pointlessly debate someone with an emotional agenda they don't even recognize?
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
#27085079 - 12/12/20 05:48 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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sudly said: Does a slug intend to make slime?
all the time goo is dope!
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
#27085086 - 12/12/20 05:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is the void of space an anomaly?
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
#27086114 - 12/12/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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The void of space is pretty standard.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
#27086187 - 12/12/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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How do you know this? Perhaps it is part of existence. And the absence of anything at all not even a void. Also said, the only cookie jar we know of has cookies in it.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
#27086337 - 12/12/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Paul Dirac.
A void is not the absence of anything, and neither should it be defined as 'nothing' lol.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
#27086398 - 12/12/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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To answer this question I would say ask who is asking it. You are asking the question because you are a biological entity with certain desires and an incompleteness of some kind. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, it's just what drove you to this question. If you had been a telly tubby, you wouldn't have asked.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
#27086433 - 12/12/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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sudly said: Paul Dirac.
A void is not the absence of anything, and neither should it be defined as 'nothing' lol.
Hmm. Perhaps the idea of a void is based on the relational nature of energetic entanglement.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
#27086519 - 12/12/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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White is the absence of color and reflects all light, whereas black absorbs all colors of the spectrum. Black itself is not a color on the color wheel, but it does represent all of the colors possible. Black is a shade, which makes colors lighter or darker. Brown is actually orange mixed with black.
With this in mind, any void is going to be white, since white is nothing but a reflection.
Edited by OutsideOfMyMind (12/12/20 11:42 PM)
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