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Is existence of everything we know an anomaly?
#27081017 - 12/09/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have been asking myself this question all my life. Is the existence of everything an anomaly? What is the natural state of things: existence (of anything) or the ultimate void state of things, where nothing exists: no space, no time, no sound, no colour, no past or future events. Is such ultimate state of NOTHING even logical or possible? What is logical: that something and everything exists? Or is the state of ultimate NO EVENT - ZERO DATA more logical? I'm not theorising about such void place existing somewhere within the Universe. I am talking about a state of things where nothing exists at all and nothing ever happened. If you are imagining a hollow black grey or white space, then this still is not what I am talking about as there would be no colour. I understand that such thoughts can be easily dismissed as delusional meaningless and pointless. But on the contrary, we accept the current state of existence for granted, as an obvious thing, where I don't necessarily see it as such.
Sometimes I imagine that this "ultimate void" was the natural state of things, and that suddenly an anomaly took place in which first bit of data was spawned. Then it just self-evolved. When I contrast these two states of existence and non-existence in my mind, I feel like nothing makes any sense at all anymore. Existence of anything makes no sense just as much as the non-existence and no-event state. If there is a divine entity that people describe as "God", I imagine that this entity doesn't fully understand what actually has happened and is confused about its own existence.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Dr. Delban]
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Short answer: No.
Longer answer: coming in a bit lol.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Dr. Delban]
#27081756 - 12/10/20 08:32 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Whether it's anomalous or not is a difficult question to address because it's all we know. But the existence of everything is mystical and inexplicable I think. It could seem anomalous but this is just the mind contrasting what we experience with what me might imagine.
I also think the logic of something or nothing is equally difficult to address for similar reason. It is not logical for a thing to exist except to say there is causality involved but that can only explain so much. It is not logical to say nothing is more logical except as a reaction to our inability to rationalize existence.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
#27082057 - 12/10/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Having contrasted these two contradictive concepts of existence and non-existence, it always provided me with an instant, very overwhelming and powerful feeling of paradox of existence. I remember being a kid and closing my eyes, contrasting these two and getting a buzz of the paradox feeling which was always a very strong mind bending experience. Sometimes I would do this a few times a day. It would always hit me once I have gone through the exact same steps of imagining the ultimate void and then contrasting this with existence of everything that we know. I was my legal high... I think I may have approached a couple of people and tried talking about this back then, but they didn't quite understand what I was talking about and dismissed it as just some childish mumbling. I was disappointed because I thought it was obvious that everyone around me was doing the same thing and digging the same concepts.
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Loaded Shaman said: Short answer: No.
Longer answer: coming in a bit lol.
I really would like to hear your detailed view.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Dr. Delban]
#27082100 - 12/10/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The universe doesn't do anything by accident
What this means, I couldn't tell you
Closest guess I have is that it is a simulation with in game purchases and none of this matters
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: skOsH]
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skOsH said: The universe doesn't do anything by accident
This would be because it is underpinned by the rules of mathematics which controls everything really and lays foundations to any, even most primitive logic.
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skOsH said: Closest guess I have is that it is a simulation
I used to think it could be a simulation but what I think is more of a certain fact is that it is a software environment. This obviously does not dismiss the simulation theory, but in order to run a simulation you would need to have some form of medium, which in this instance would be the "software". Then you could set it up as a simulation. The reason why I believe that we are living inside of a "software" environment is because all matter appears to be an illusion. Of what I gathered, I understand that particles are not made up of actual matter, but only contain energy, which "apparently" vibrates at certain frequencies. This creates an illusion of matter. I could be very wrong about this as I haven't studied physics much, it's just something that I remembered.
I think it is very important to ask the question, what is beyond the known universe. The chances are, that it is in fact very small, that it has boundaries and is located within a completely different structure which is ruled by some completely different and more complex laws of mathematics, logic and "physics"...
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Dr. Delban]
#27082162 - 12/10/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kind of like we are in a "The Sims" game and we cannot escape because that would be like something on a television or computer walking out of the screen
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Dr. Delban]
#27083370 - 12/11/20 02:10 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dr. Delban said: Is the existence of everything an anomaly?
As a deviation from the void of space, yes.
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Dr. Delban said: What is the natural state of things:
I can't say for sure but the theory of causal fermion systems is an interesting approach imo.
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Dr. Delban said: Is such ultimate state of NOTHING even logical or possible?
Not as far as I know, Paul Dirac provided equations suggesting there is a 'sea' of particles colliding in the vacuum of space. So even the 'nothingness' of the void of space has something going on.
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Dr. Delban said: What is logical: that something and everything exists?
I'm not sure of how to interpret your question here. Without specifics or context I couldn't say.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
#27083587 - 12/11/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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is this intended to interrupt our ongoing existence to question if existence can exist.
just checking while existing.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: redgreenvines]
#27083629 - 12/11/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah it's pretty stupid that it gets greater could be enough for you
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: redgreenvines]
#27084282 - 12/11/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Does a slug intend to make slime?
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Dr. Delban]
#27084454 - 12/11/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dr. Delban said: I have been asking myself this question all my life. ...
In that case you probably don't really want an answer, especially if its a simple one.
1) You probably don't really want an answer, because it would end your search which by now is part of your identity and habit.
2) If the answer is simple, you might feel stupid if you accepted it, so therefore, if such an answer were given you would deny it.
3) So there is no point, for anyone who can answer it simply to do so. Who wants to make enemies? or pointlessly debate someone with an emotional agenda they don't even recognize?
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
#27085079 - 12/12/20 05:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: Does a slug intend to make slime?
all the time goo is dope!
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
#27085086 - 12/12/20 05:55 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is the void of space an anomaly?
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
#27086114 - 12/12/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The void of space is pretty standard.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
#27086187 - 12/12/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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How do you know this? Perhaps it is part of existence. And the absence of anything at all not even a void. Also said, the only cookie jar we know of has cookies in it.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
#27086337 - 12/12/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Paul Dirac.
A void is not the absence of anything, and neither should it be defined as 'nothing' lol.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
#27086398 - 12/12/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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To answer this question I would say ask who is asking it. You are asking the question because you are a biological entity with certain desires and an incompleteness of some kind. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, it's just what drove you to this question. If you had been a telly tubby, you wouldn't have asked.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
#27086433 - 12/12/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: Paul Dirac.
A void is not the absence of anything, and neither should it be defined as 'nothing' lol.
Hmm. Perhaps the idea of a void is based on the relational nature of energetic entanglement.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
#27086519 - 12/12/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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White is the absence of color and reflects all light, whereas black absorbs all colors of the spectrum. Black itself is not a color on the color wheel, but it does represent all of the colors possible. Black is a shade, which makes colors lighter or darker. Brown is actually orange mixed with black.
With this in mind, any void is going to be white, since white is nothing but a reflection.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Dr. Delban]
#27086536 - 12/13/20 12:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dr. Delban said: Having contrasted these two contradictive concepts of existence and non-existence, it always provided me with an instant, very overwhelming and powerful feeling of paradox of existence. I remember being a kid and closing my eyes, contrasting these two and getting a buzz of the paradox feeling which was always a very strong mind bending experience. Sometimes I would do this a few times a day. It would always hit me once I have gone through the exact same steps of imagining the ultimate void and then contrasting this with existence of everything that we know. I was my legal high... I think I may have approached a couple of people and tried talking about this back then, but they didn't quite understand what I was talking about and dismissed it as just some childish mumbling. I was disappointed because I thought it was obvious that everyone around me was doing the same thing and digging the same concepts.
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Loaded Shaman said: Short answer: No.
Longer answer: coming in a bit lol.
I really would like to hear your detailed view.
It only gets detailed when we ask more questions, which I always hope people do, here is my assertion:
You can't have an illusion, anomaly, etc. as your metaphysical primary.
Why? Because then that's the primary and would require a second level of abstraction to constitute illusion/anomaly, lol.
It's the same idea as video games; does 0 mean no lives left, or is 0 technically your LAST life?
Does that make any sense at all? I'll happily explicate I don't want to confuse unnecessarily lol.
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What question are you referring to?
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
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Rahz said:
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sudly said: Paul Dirac.
A void is not the absence of anything, and neither should it be defined as 'nothing' lol.
Hmm. Perhaps the idea of a void is based on the relational nature of energetic entanglement.
What does that mean?
Dirac just says particle types appear and anhialate eachother in a void.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27086581 - 12/13/20 01:12 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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OutsideOfMyMind said: White is the absence of color and reflects all light, whereas black absorbs all colors of the spectrum. Black itself is not a color on the color wheel, but it does represent all of the colors possible. Black is a shade, which makes colors lighter or darker. Brown is actually orange mixed with black.
With this in mind, any void is going to be white, since white is nothing but a reflection.
Wow, you've created a space of absolutely nothing!
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
#27086582 - 12/13/20 01:14 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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You lost me at metaphysical primary.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
#27086603 - 12/13/20 01:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don't feel so bad, I lost myself. I took a class in color theory a long time ago and I tried applying it to space but I don't really know where I was going with it. White light...... Black darkness...
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27086653 - 12/13/20 03:17 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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void is the empty cave, the bottle, the box. it is the essence of capacity, a volume of potential yet to be filled or not.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: redgreenvines]
#27087069 - 12/13/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: You lost me at metaphysical primary.
I believe he is referring to something that is not understood physically yet contains substance regardless. Substance in a meta physical sense he might say.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Yellow Pants]
#27087357 - 12/13/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wouldn't a true void be a vacuum? There is still air inside of an empty cave or an empty bottle. Air is made up of matter.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
#27087388 - 12/13/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rahz said:
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sudly said: Paul Dirac.
A void is not the absence of anything, and neither should it be defined as 'nothing' lol.
Hmm. Perhaps the idea of a void is based on the relational nature of energetic entanglement.
What does that mean?
Dirac just says particle types appear and anhialate eachother in a void.
String theory suggests space and time are emergent qualities of the interaction of quantum strings. The strings themselves describe relationships which give rise to space and time and the things within those dimensions. In this light, the void and the things in the void are both products of a process and cannot exist apart.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
#27087886 - 12/13/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Dr. Delban]
#27087943 - 12/13/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ahhh.. this is a beautiful question. I feel as though some have experienced this void you speak of. To me, it is the beginning and the end. It is where "you" become nothing at all. Your memories and tethers to the physical reality fall away. There are times in your life where you may be able to "visit" the void. I wouldn't say it is the natural state of things...more like the birthplace, or "womb"... or tomb of the original soul.
I agree with your idea of the void being made up of nothing at all. You can visit, but you cannot stay. It is natural to remember your karmic cycles and be pulled back to physical reality. The journey is not done.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
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OutsideOfMyMind said: Don't feel so bad, I lost myself. I took a class in color theory a long time ago and I tried applying it to space but I don't really know where I was going with it. White light...... Black darkness...
I am gobsmacked by the vacuous nature of quantum flapdoodlery.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
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Yellow Pants said:
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sudly said: You lost me at metaphysical primary.
I believe he is referring to something that is not understood physically yet contains substance regardless. Substance in a meta physical sense he might say.
I believe he is spewing through his teeth.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
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Correct me if you feel I've misinterpreted what you've said here,
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Rahz said: String theory suggests space and time are emergent qualities of the interaction of quantum strings.
It is suggested that quantum gravity has a relation and/or reliance on elements of string theory.
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Rahz said: The strings themselves describe relationships which give rise to space and time and the things within those dimensions.
Strings are the building blocks of particles.
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Rahz said: In this light, the void and the things in the void are both products of a process and cannot exist apart.
What process you're referring to is unclear to me, as well as what cannot exist apart is referring to.
This to me sounds like a platitude, e.g. Rain is a product of a process and cannot exist apart.
Maybe a cycle of voids is what you're referring too?
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
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I'm saying the void is a product of the same process that causes matter to form. It would be no more or less anomalous than existence of things.
And considering the subject it seems to be all platitudes.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
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I think it is a property of locus and time in relation to waves or particles in action.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
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Rahz said: I'm saying the void is a product of the same process that causes matter to form. It would be no more or less anomalous than existence of things.
And considering the subject it seems to be all platitudes.
What's the process that causes matter to form?
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: redgreenvines]
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This was an energizing post written 11 years 1 months ago by LunarEclipse. This was my first post on The Shroomery, written 9 years 11 months ago.
LunarEclipse knew about me before I joined the forums and at that time I had no idea who LunarEclipse was and what The Shroomery was.
Now tell me something extremely abnormal is not going on.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
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sudly said: What's the process that causes matter to form?
Everything that happens. There is nothing that is not that process. It's what people attempt to describe with physics and quantum mechanics. It is change and movement. It is to large degree, mysterious and magical. Existence, whatever that may be. Trying to describe what energy is outside it's ability to do work (process) is difficult. What is energy? What is existence?
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
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sudly said: "What's the process that causes matter to form?"
. To most folks in the world, having a car that works, is good enough.
. But Jay Leno finds cars themselves to have value.
. Likewise however the mind is only a tool, to accomplish some tasks of (former) evolutionary value (as the world now changes faster than evolution).
. The mind is not designed to answer 'ultimate' questions. Of course this annoys some folks, and makes others happy that God is taking care of it all.
. Regardless if we consider a picture that is all gray, or the case of being in a dense fog, it becomes obvious that meaning is dependent, on making distinctions, contrast, being able to find edges. Same with a cocktail party and too many loud voices at once, or white noise, or static.
. Whenever questions are asked about everything (or the universe, God, 'my whole life', "the meaning of my whole life" etc.), everything has been lumped into only one category: called: "everything" . So there is no longer any contrast, so there is no longer any inside and outside, so there is no longer any context, and so no meaningful answers are possible.
. So all we have left is mysticism, like the Heart Sutra. You can't get there from here. If you're enlightened you get it, but don't need it. . If unenlightened you need the understanding, but can't find it in the irrational statement (in the Heart Sutra): "Form is emptiness, emptiness is form".
These questions about 'everything', Solipsism, & other universals, often found in these threads also seem to ignore the relativity of all manifestation that both Einstein & Chuang Tzu pointed to.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: laughingdog]
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"emptiness is form, form is emptiness" is a piece of advice to those who yearn for the release from suffering: a) yearning for emptiness creates an object in mind out of that which is the object of yearning. b) however all forms in mind are emptiness - insubstantial temporary conformations of energy patterns.
the advice encourages dropping the yearning and seeing the mind as it is.
I do not know if that helps.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: redgreenvines]
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This was an energizing post written 11 years 1 months ago by LunarEclipse. This was my first post on The Shroomery, written 9 years 11 months ago.
LunarEclipse knew about me before I joined the forums and at that time I had no idea who LunarEclipse was and what The Shroomery was.
Now tell me something extremely abnormal is not going on.
Please reply, RGV.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Pinkerton]
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I find that when we meditate we push mental things distractions out of our mind not to return or we cease to engage in them it's like driving a car you get out of mental mud or weeds, they fall away it is fascinating to me and fascinating that it can go all the way to clean mind and encouraging and promising
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Pinkerton]
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Pinkerton said: This was an energizing post written 11 years 1 months ago by LunarEclipse. This was my first post on The Shroomery, written 9 years 11 months ago.
LunarEclipse knew about me before I joined the forums and at that time I had no idea who LunarEclipse was and what The Shroomery was.
Now tell me something extremely abnormal is not going on.
Please reply, RGV.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said: "emptiness is form, form is emptiness" is a piece of advice to those who yearn for the release from suffering: a) yearning for emptiness creates an object in mind out of that which is the object of yearning. b) however all forms in mind are emptiness - insubstantial temporary conformations of energy patterns.
the advice encourages dropping the yearning and seeing the mind as it is.
I do not know if that helps.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
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So you're saying a void is just a part of the universe. Like the norm out there in cosmo land.
Because that's what I would say. And that us not being in that cosmic void is par from the norm. Ergo, an anomaly.
Imo at least
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Dr. Delban]
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Reality is an emergent property of its own echos. We are all experiencing ghosts in the machine.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Faustoid]
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i like that poetically
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: redgreenvines]
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Pinkerton said: This was an energizing post written 11 years 1 months ago by LunarEclipse. This was my first post on The Shroomery, written 9 years 11 months ago.
LunarEclipse knew about me before I joined the forums and at that time I had no idea who LunarEclipse was and what The Shroomery was.
Now tell me something extremely abnormal is not going on.
Please reply, RGV.
there, there, now, Pinky, everything will be ok.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Pinkerton]
#27093695 - 12/17/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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you will stop shining when it is over. even now you are almost too bright to look at.
you could tone it down a notch. but everything is fine. relax.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: redgreenvines]
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I read relax is if Orgy is weak.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Pinkerton]
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: redgreenvines]
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Is orkie weak?
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: redgreenvines]
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I read 'relax' as if orkie is weak.
Is he?
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Faustoid]
#27101896 - 12/22/20 12:47 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Faustoid said: Reality is an emergent property of its own echos. We are all experiencing ghosts in the machine.
Can you expand/elucidate this position a tad?
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
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I think I summed it up. Any deeper is just a hat on a hat.
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Faustoid said: I think I summed it up. Any deeper is just a hat on a hat.
I respectfully disagree.
You made a pretty bold, esoteric claim that begs several questions.
Unless it's just typical dorm room philosophy, which is all flash and no substance, then of course you'll argue going deeper is unnecessary.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
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Fair enough. I'll ruminate on that thought.
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"existence" from I point of view is an infinite space filled with infinite combinations and finite knowledge..
If your trying to picture how life was a long long long long long time ago(for this certain location that we all live at)...I understand and encourage it..but if your trying to figure out how the universe/existence started?? You are venturing into insanity my friend..I do not encourage it, unless you understand that, there was no beginning...think about it..there is no end..the universe is constantly expanding and is always going to exist as it is..thus the universe has always been the same..existence is not some kind of blank piece of paper that slowing gets drawn on..existence is the universe!! Science cannot explain everything, there is no god...but magic does exist..if science exists..then the complete opposite exists..magic or w/e u want to call it..not some all power being called god..
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Faustoid]
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Faustoid said: Fair enough. I'll ruminate on that thought.
I know people here are smarter than average, on average, so I always prod to get you guys to expand you stance! Completely from a position of the joy of knowledge and understanding, my friend! 
I look forward to your reply.
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Mr. D Green]
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if your trying to figure out how the universe/existence started?? You are venturing into insanity
Certainly yes, the more effort you put into it and the more you devote your life to this...
existence is the universe!!
What if the Universe is finite and contained within a different structure? I suggest breaking through the thought pattern in which the Universe which we know is the main structure that is there.
Science cannot explain everything, there is no god...but magic does exist..
Science can explain everything. Are you saying science cannot explain magic? I don't think you have thought this through?
Sorry I messed up the quotation system, whatever...
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to say of anything, that it is all: fill in the blank is pretty meaningless, as in: the universe is all consciousness the universe is all a simulation the universe is all an anomaly the universe is all God the universe is all jello
although such statements seem to be common on the forum at the moment, such statements explain nothing.
. It would seem it's only some peoples' unconscious anxiety, that causes them to desire certainty, that causes them to overlook the obviousness of this. Apparently this describes a significant portion of folks.
. Like religion, if any such statement was really convincing there would only be one. But that is not the case, and in fact the opposite is the case.
"The precise number of religions in the world is not known, but available estimates show the number to be about 4,300, according to Adherents.com"
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=number+of+religion+world&t=h_&ia=web&iai=r1-0&page=1&sexp=%7B%22cdrexp%22%3A%22b%22%2C%22artexp%22%3A%22b%22%2C%22prodexp%22%3A%22b%22%2C%22prdsdexp%22%3A%22c%22%2C%22biaexp%22%3A%22b%22%2C%22msvrtexp%22%3A%22b%22%2C%22bltexp%22%3A%22b%22%2C%22djsdexp%22%3A%22a%22%7D
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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: laughingdog]
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the barber shaves himself before or after the 'day'
you did not say all day and all night.
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