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Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID
    #27079361 - 12/08/20 07:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So I have been microdosing cyanescens for a while and last night I had some intense stomach pains, chills along with other symptoms of galerina poisoning... Please give me your thoughts on my stash/ all looked pretty spot on. It may have just been food poisoning.



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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: mcasa]
    #27079392 - 12/08/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'll wait for a trusted identifier to chime in, but it is a little bit concerning that I don't see any blue bruising on any of the mushrooms.

If you think you have been poisoned, you should bring the mushrooms to a hospital and go to the ER.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: mcasa] * 1
    #27079396 - 12/08/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I personally don't see Galerina in the last two pictures.

How are you feeling now? There's a remission period in which people feel better after the stomach issues but what follows after that is liver and kidney failure so if you really think you ate one you have to go to a hospital.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: shroower]
    #27079401 - 12/08/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Better to be safe than sorry.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: Hartford]
    #27079414 - 12/08/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Based on the first picture, I'm fairly positive you've got psilocybes.
Not only that, but from what can be seen: excellent quality.
Second picture also looks to be psilocybe. Third picture: hard to say.

But.

Even if I'm wrong, I don't think you will not gonna get a lethal dose of galerina from microdosing.

I'm pretty sure you've got something else going on.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: ZenZone]
    #27079451 - 12/08/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Btw, when you say "microdosing", what do you mean exactly?


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: mcasa]
    #27079516 - 12/08/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not a TI, but it appears to be a psilocybe species.  Some better pictures of the fresh specimens' stem and gills would help a lot though


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: shroomhunter222]
    #27079536 - 12/08/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Stomach bug most likely its that time of year folks around here are getting it and its pretty ruff but doesnt last long


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: HAKR ELITE]
    #27079585 - 12/08/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I can't speak to everything you may have picked and consumed but what's shown in the photos is generally consistent with what I would expect for P. cyanescens. One thing I have personally noticed with prolonged microdosing of 1 00 capsule daily of dried wild P. ovoideocystidiata usually after 2-3 months is general GI discomfort, weird chills/sweats and random sharp stomache pains.  I used to chalk this up to something bacterial in the wild fruits.  My latest theory is a build up of chitin a form of insoluble 'fiber' found in fungi, in the digestive tract overtime that ends up fermenting in a way to lead to this discomfort. Chitin-bearing foods are known to cause alimentary allergies, and chitin can induce and modulate immune reactions. Usually cooking mushrooms helps break down chitin but since we are drying wild fruits we are consuming chitin in it's raw form.  Everytime I stop microdosing the symptoms subside within a few days.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: donjonson420]
    #27080240 - 12/09/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Those pics look good to me.  I’ve had the same GI upset with wild P. Caerulescence.  I pretty much expect it now after I consume them.  It usually happens with fresh fruits.  I’ve tried tea and it seems to still be there.  I was thinking it was bacterial, but the chitin makes sense.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: Nitro87]
    #27080375 - 12/09/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Those pics look good to me.  I’ve had the same GI upset with wild P. Caerulescence.  I pretty much expect it now after I consume them.  It usually happens with fresh fruits.  I’ve tried tea and it seems to still be there.  I was thinking it was bacterial, but the chitin makes sense.




Same, I seem to get really crampy and bloated more so from ps caerulescens as opposed to pans or cubes. I think it has to do with the serotonin receptors in our GI tract being excited and I make this  conclusion based on its the EXACT same whether I eat them whole or make tea.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: MentalPariah]
    #27080385 - 12/09/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

IMHO, even though we can agree that mcasa didn't pick Galerinas in the second and third pictures, it's impossible to say what he ate from that jar, so just telling him he'll be ok and it's just cramps is irresponsible since none of us can identify what came from that.

I was under impression that this community took mushroom poisoning more seriously :shrug:

If you believe you ingested Galerina mushrooms you go to a hospital, period. Waiting for it to present more symptoms or for the current symptoms to go away is not how you survive amatoxin intoxication.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: shroower]
    #27080512 - 12/09/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I don't see Galerina, I see Psilocybe cyanescens. True food poisoning occurs 4-6hrs after consuming tainted food and presents with stomach cramps, fever,  diarrhea and vomiting and chills, symptoms are acute and can be severe, especially in those with a compromised immune system..

Edit: you should always post pictures of mushrooms outside of the bag or jar


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: Doc9151]
    #27080577 - 12/09/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

There were many more mushrooms in that jar than the photos. So it's possible, as shroower said, that he could've eaten a deadly Galerina, in which case he has a short window of time to get treatment.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: Hartford]
    #27080629 - 12/09/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm honestly disappointed with the attempts to give an explanation to his GI tract issues, totally ignoring the fact that there's a whole jar of dried and unidentifiable mushrooms sitting in one of the pictures which contain many more mushrooms than the ones that are possible to ID.

Whatever you think it could be causing it is irrelevant when there's a real possibility of amatoxins ingestion. He goes to a hospital they'll screen liver transaminases and if that doesn't come clean they'll screen for serum amatoxins. If all that is good then he comes back home and monitors for other symptoms.

I know the US healthcare system sucks and depending on mcasas' situation this could've become expensive, but we're not talking about a person who might have eaten a piece of bread that had some green on it, we're talking about the possibility of ingestion of a deadly substance with a very short window of treatment.

With that said, I hope he's OK because he hasn't reported back in almost a whole day.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: shroower]
    #27080679 - 12/09/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I fucking love the label hanging off the jar filled to the top of unidentified mushrooms: "this life is a gift" and then the galerina post.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27080682 - 12/09/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The mushrooms in the jar have blackish purple gills, clearly not galerina. Food poisoning in this case is far more likely than amatoxin poisoning. His illness may not even be related to the mushrooms.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: MentalPariah]
    #27080710 - 12/09/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I checked OP's post history...nothing I saw (didn't see all) looks like a Galerina...but there was mention of some difficulty with drying methods (possibly a big deal in the PNW this type of year).

I'm wondering about the compounds that cause WLP, particularly if there are some handling issues.

My main hope is that OP logs back on and updates us. The one thing that would make me feel better than that is his taking this seriously and going to the hospital.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: MentalPariah] * 1
    #27080789 - 12/09/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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The mushrooms in the jar have blackish purple gills, clearly not galerina. Food poisoning in this case is far more likely than amatoxin poisoning. His illness may not even be related to the mushrooms.




What kind of advice is this? You absolutely CANNOT SEE ALL THE MUSHROOMS INSIDE THAT JAR.

I must be getting old, y'all too irresponsible.

Please ask yourself if you'd trust 100% shaking that jar without looking to the mushrooms that are not facing the camera and eat a handful of them before saying that the whole goddamn thing contains exclusively P. cyanescens.

Can we agree that it's simply not possible to identify every single one of the mushrooms inside that glass? Therefore, there is a possibility that mcasa ate an unidentified species, which could or could not be a Galerina and that his illness may or may not be due to that, BUT IF IT IS and he doesn't seek medical attention he might fucking die?

You don't identify a whole jar of dry mushrooms by just the ones you can see. You just don't, because that's stupid.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: shroower]
    #27080845 - 12/09/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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The mushrooms in the jar have blackish purple gills, clearly not galerina. Food poisoning in this case is far more likely than amatoxin poisoning. His illness may not even be related to the mushrooms.




What kind of advice is this? You absolutely CANNOT SEE ALL THE MUSHROOMS INSIDE THAT JAR.

I must be getting old, y'all too irresponsible.

Please ask yourself if you'd trust 100% shaking that jar without looking to the mushrooms that are not facing the camera and eat a handful of them before saying that the whole goddamn thing contains exclusively P. cyanescens.

Can we agree that it's simply not possible to identify every single one of the mushrooms inside that glass? Therefore, there is a possibility that mcasa ate an unidentified species, which could or could not be a Galerina and that his illness may or may not be due to that, BUT IF IT IS and he doesn't seek medical attention he might fucking die?

You don't identify a whole jar of dry mushrooms by just the ones you can see. You just don't, because that's stupid.




First off,  we said that what we can see is Psilocybe cyanescens, that doesn't mean that everything in the jar is just that, don't read into what people say. I also immediately edited my post to mention posting pictures outside of the jar. With the evidence presented in the total post, I will still say the same thing,  they are Psilocybe cyanescens.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: Doc9151]
    #27080857 - 12/09/20 05:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

No1: Nobody is identifying a whole jar, but that's what we got. That is what OP presented to us.  From what can be seen, there is no galerina there.
No2: Nobody ever died eating just one galerina.
No3: He said he was MICROSDOSING.
No4: MentalPariah's post was not an ADVICE.
No5: Everybody is just trying to help here, so need to be so hostile.
No6: There are several things can cause the symptoms OP experienced, mmmm let me think..... oh yeah, here is one: COVID.
No7: OP disappeared from this thread, less than an hour after the initial post. What is that mean? WHO KNOWS? He possibly went to the hospital, so he's in good care either way.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: ZenZone] * 1
    #27080870 - 12/09/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you all for chiming in. I feel a lot better now and believe it was just some stomachache caused by food poisoning. The mushrooms in the jar are all pretty identical. Some were unbruised at time of picking leaving little blue staining. I just wanted to make sure the colors / pics shown resembled dried cyanescens. I appreciate all of your insights and will continue with microdosing. I am pretty sure dried gallerinas would dry different to the ones shown in my jar.


After posting I went to bed and then made soup upon my return to planet earth. This made headache and stomachache go away. Again💓you're all fucking awesome


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: ZenZone]
    #27080874 - 12/09/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Oh yay! :cheers: Glad you're feeling better. Some of us here were freaking out!


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: ZenZone]
    #27080875 - 12/09/20 05:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Some extra thoughts on galerina:

This is a quote from Alan Rockefeller:

"You should not worry so much about Galerina, 1 or 2 wouldn't do anything anyway.
Just don't eat 20 of them." link

Here is another one from Alan, regarding galerina:

"Yes all of the noobs think that hippies are dropping like flies from eating Galerina because all of the beginning mushroom hunting literature overstates the danger.  While it is true that deadly mushrooms can grow 1 cm from actives (I saw this happen in San Francisco), it turns out that to get poisoned you have to eat a lot of deadly mushrooms.    Hippies who are wondering if their Galerina marginata or Pholiotina filaris are active and eat 2 or 3 aren't going to notice anything other than placebo." link

I'm not trying to take away of the seriousness of galerina poisoning, I'm just trying to put it into perspective.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: ZenZone]
    #27080926 - 12/09/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

This is super good to know :thumbup: !!!


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: ZenZone]
    #27080952 - 12/09/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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ZenZone said:
Some extra thoughts on galerina:

This is a quote from Alan Rockefeller:

"You should not worry so much about Galerina, 1 or 2 wouldn't do anything anyway.
Just don't eat 20 of them." link

Here is another one from Alan, regarding galerina:

"Yes all of the noobs think that hippies are dropping like flies from eating Galerina because all of the beginning mushroom hunting literature overstates the danger.  While it is true that deadly mushrooms can grow 1 cm from actives (I saw this happen in San Francisco), it turns out that to get poisoned you have to eat a lot of deadly mushrooms.    Hippies who are wondering if their Galerina marginata or Pholiotina filaris are active and eat 2 or 3 aren't going to notice anything other than placebo." link

I'm not trying to take away of the seriousness of galerina poisoning, I'm just trying to put it into perspective.




I was gonna bring this up but I couldn't find the evidence to support that. I know Alan has said quite a few times that you'd have to almost eat enough to get full for any appreciable effects from galerina. Yes they are named deadly galerina but I feel that name is misleading to an extent. Thanks for finding that and quoting it.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: MentalPariah]
    #27080993 - 12/09/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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First off,  we said that what we can see is Psilocybe cyanescens, that doesn't mean that everything in the jar is just that, don't read into what people say. I also immediately edited my post to mention posting pictures outside of the jar. With the evidence presented in the total post, I will still say the same thing,  they are Psilocybe cyanescens.




MentalPariah specifically said that the mushrooms in the jar were not Galerina because they had purple gills, implying that he had x-ray vision and could see everything in the jar.

In your case specifically I feel like as a TI you could at least have mentioned the possibility that he might indeed have eaten something unidentified and in that case it would be appropriate to seek medical attention instead of assuring that you don't see anything poisonous even though you cannot see the whole content of the jar.

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No1: Nobody is identifying a whole jar, but that's what we got. That is what OP presented to us.  From what can be seen, there is no galerina there.




MentalPariah specifically said that the mushrooms in the jar were not Galerinas because the gills were purple, you can go back and read that. Not a single mention to not being able to tell about the whole jar.

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No2: Nobody ever died eating just one galerina.
No3: He said he was MICROSDOSING.



You can't tell how much he consumed from the information he provided, even if he said he was microdosing he didn't specify the quantity or how often.

Quote:

No4: MentalPariah's post was not an ADVICE.



Someone asks for advice and you reply providing information. Call that what you want.

Quote:

No6: There are several things can cause the symptoms OP experienced, mmmm let me think..... oh yeah, here is one: COVID.



There is another one, mmmm let me think..... oh yeah, here is one: α-amanitin. What was your point? There are a million things that could have the same symptoms, but this person just came and admitted he might have eaten Galerina mushrooms.

α-amanitin varies a lot among collected specimens and besides, you do not know absolutely anything about mcasas' medical history to tell if he would be more susceptible to a much smaller dose.

I just find absurd that everyone acted like what you could see is fine so he should be fine and there was not a single mention to maybe he should seek medical attention because maybe he's been ingesting Galerinas. You're all acting like it was enough to tell that what you could see was not Galerina when the obvious majority of the mushrooms were dry hidden in the jar, and then acting like I'm the one losing my shit. Come on.

Finally,
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"Yes all of the noobs think that hippies are dropping like flies from eating Galerina because all of the beginning mushroom hunting literature overstates the danger.  While it is true that deadly mushrooms can grow 1 cm from actives (I saw this happen in San Francisco), it turns out that to get poisoned you have to eat a lot of deadly mushrooms.    Hippies who are wondering if their Galerina marginata or Pholiotina filaris are active and eat 2 or 3 aren't going to notice anything other than placebo."





I respect Alan's knowledge a lot and his contributions here but that statement is overly generic. Without knowing how much of the substance the 3 mushrooms at hand produced you're just saying that on average, the average healthy adult would not drop dead from consuming that. Absolutely does not mean that the whole population would be safe. And you know what is the best way to be safe? It's by actually running tests to make sure your liver and kidney are fine.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: shroower]
    #27081035 - 12/09/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Been watching this post...glad your all good  mcasas! Also I appreciate most posters not getting hysterical and not plying up poisoning anxieties.
Shroower- your concerns are good too. I read people’s responses as being measured and logical and yes USA health care sux.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: mcasa]
    #27081037 - 12/09/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Thank you all for chiming in. I feel a lot better now and believe it was just some stomachache caused by food poisoning. The mushrooms in the jar are all pretty identical. Some were unbruised at time of picking leaving little blue staining. I just wanted to make sure the colors / pics shown resembled dried cyanescens. I appreciate all of your insights and will continue with microdosing. I am pretty sure dried gallerinas would dry different to the ones shown in my jar.


After posting I went to bed and then made soup upon my return to planet earth. This made headache and stomachache go away. Again💓you're all fucking awesome




Glad you're doing well.

My apologies if I hurt anyone's feelings, although admittedly I lost my temper I really just worry about everyone's safety and health :smile:


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: shroower] * 1
    #27081195 - 12/09/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

For those interested, here is one of the most recent comprehensive papers on the subject of alpha-amanitin producing Galerina species.  Free to download here https://open.library.ubc.ca/cIRcle/collections/ubctheses/24/items/1.0378696

Some points to consider - The author estimates it would take 10 fruit bodies to deliver a lethal dose to a child weighing 44lbs. G. marginata is a species complex in need of revision and the author was unable to confirm any toxicity of G. marginata s.l. All toxin producing Galerina belong to sect. Naucoriopsis comprising 14 species. "Of the 61 Galerina samples assayed for the presence of amatoxins, all toxin-positive samples belonged to sect. Naucoriopsis: 24/25 samples from this group were unambiguously positive for the presence of α-amanitin, with 19 of these 24 also containing β-amanitin. Only one sample (G. badipes) from this subgenus was toxin-negative. G. marginata s.l. and G. sulciceps also belong to sect. Naucoriopsis and have been reported in the literature as containing amatoxins but were unconfirmed as toxin-producers in this study" and this study also lends evidence that certain members of Gymnopilus belong to Galerina lineage ‘Mycenopsis’ notably species labeled as G. sapineus, G. penetrans, G. spectabilis and G. punctifolius.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: shroower] * 1
    #27081988 - 12/10/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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So I have been microdosing cyanescens for a while and last night I had some intense stomach pains, chills along with other symptoms of gallerina poisoning... Please give me your thoughts on my stash/ all looked pretty spot on. It may have just been food poisoning.





So lets put some gasoline on fire.
Why do you apologize shroower ?
You are right.
Yes, some mushrooms in the pics look like cyans but everybody keeps on missing the point.
There is a jar full of mushrooms, dried as well, many of which can not be seen. And everbody keeps on reassuring him it's perfectly normal to feel sick when eating cyans. Like we fucking know what he ate, and what he considers microdose. We suspect he ate cyans but we can't vouch for all of his collection.
Furthermore, stomach ache and nausea can pass, giving false sign od remission in a-amanitin poisoning. It means nothing that he is feeling better after 1 day. I hope as well all the shrooms are cyans and it was just slight GI.
And this Zen guy is a fucking joke. Considering his stupid list of points and other ti's comments you can conclude microdosing galerina is just about right. Then he proceeds to quote Rockefeller 2x, like it's relevant at all other than kiss Alan's ass maybe to get TI tag some day. I see it happen here all the time, Alan said this Alan said that, ok guys, I appreciate his work too, but he can be wrong. Also I see no point in zen virus spamming, can one day pass I don't hear that f-ing word and everyone spamming about it. Like it's the only disease in the world. Not only we forgot all the other viruses, cancer and what not, now also potential mushroom poisoning could as well be sign of infection with the Chinese trash virus. And to the OP, you could check blood for amanitins if there is a lab nearby..I mean if you have a reasonable reason to believe you are poisoned. It is quite cheap where I live, and I live in second world country.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27082029 - 12/10/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

In the the second picture I can see the stipe bluing on the furthest right shroom, and the caps in the 3rd picture look crisp and tan brown like a real psilocybe

As a note I ate a bite of a mature chlorophyllum molybdites and I feel crazy trippin before I felt the poison and had to stay in bed for hours

Before I got sick on that poison I sprinted back to where I found the c. Molybdites and I saw tracers I smoked a cig over there and saw tracers and made circles out of the tracers.  But I felt terribly ill later

On a side notes about the poison,  I knew exactly what that mushrooms was when I took a bite of one I dropped by the road.  I just made an unwise decision to eat a bite anyway, so I knew I wasn’t trippin on psilocybin at the moment.  But a poison may possibly even be misinterpreted by the uninformed in theory.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: Jadedgreen]
    #27082360 - 12/10/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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In the the second picture I can see the stipe bluing on the furthest right shroom, and the caps in the 3rd picture look crisp and tan brown like a real psilocybe

As a note I ate a bite of a mature chlorophyllum molybdites and I feel crazy trippin before I felt the poison and had to stay in bed for hours

Before I got sick on that poison I sprinted back to where I found the c. Molybdites and I saw tracers I smoked a cig over there and saw tracers and made circles out of the tracers.  But I felt terribly ill later

On a side notes about the poison,  I knew exactly what that mushrooms was when I took a bite of one I dropped by the road.  I just made an unwise decision to eat a bite anyway, so I knew I wasn’t trippin on psilocybin at the moment.  But a poison may possibly even be misinterpreted by the uninformed in theory.





So your saying you ate a poisonous mushroom on purpose?

Why sit here and advocate for eating a poisonous mushroom and saying it made you trip and that everything was good.


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    #27082442 - 12/10/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

What I see is alot of new people joining lately that need to shift it down a bit and respect the road that has already been paved and get respected before trying to guide or give any advice...Some of the TI's have been AFK and mad respect to those who are still IDing but thats the thing let a TI chime in before dropping any advice first...Mushroom Poisoning's are nothing to be put off as a he/she will be ok and I totally agree with that...OP does have somewhat of a mystery jar there that cannot be confirmed as all being Cyans but lets all just tone it down a bit with each other there is no need to carry on about the topic anymore...Lets get along!!

OP I'm glad everything is ok please no more jar pics of mushrooms :rofl2: And the ultimate decision to seek help if needed is yours and only yours if ever you feel like you have been poisoned seek help...I've seen threads posted for ID after ingestion never get posted in again so Mushrooms can and will kill you!!


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    #27082699 - 12/10/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I’m not saying everything was good though yeah it sounds wrong the effects of poison are much different than trippin It was much different I’m just saying there are positive side effects before the poison starts to get you. Yet no euphoria or beneficial effects like actually tripping. I was mad I dropped that one nd went home and read about them sorry that sounds like negative influence


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    #27082743 - 12/10/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry to keep beating a dead horse, but I have to on this one....  Facts:  all you can ID from the OP is psilocybe, false:  no proof/ pic has been provided to assume the worst....  Fast food can cause the same symptoms...So all we know is that what is pictured(can see)is active.  Shroower you def.  don't need to be name dropping like that... Mental and the others that you dropped are very well rounded with ID's and general knowledge.  You should be mad at the OP.  For starting a thread like this and abandoning it for a day, plus if you haven't vetted out toxic mushrooms before you dry, then you prob. Shouldn't be hunting by yourself.  You should have at least 3 chances to catch a toxic mushroom.  When you pick, spore print, when you dry them, and after drying. Plus make ID request if you are not 100% sure.  If you still can't determine if they are active after that, then you should toss em.  Shroower chill out and think before you post.  No one was telling him to eat a toxic mushy,  in fact there was NO (zero) evidence of the worst except for a few symptoms that hundreds of other things can cause.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: Nitro87]
    #27082781 - 12/10/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

1st and 2nd pic absolutely cyans or alleni.  3rd pic either cyans or something I have no clue because there is only that picture.

Regardless, I definitely second the other posters here.  Look up how much galerinas are toxic, because I know eating like one small one won't kill you, but is not good either lol.  Because if you ate like 8 dried mushrooms and 3-4 could've been bad, then you need to be careful and go to the hospital.  Dont tell them anything about psychedelics just say you were urban foraging or some shit and get screened.

Regardless, I think all the pictures were cyans.  Second, if it were me and I'd become convinced I'd eaten a serious amount of galerinas somehow I'd be at the hospital posting this.


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    #27082865 - 12/10/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Sorry to keep beating a dead horse, but I have to on this one....  Facts:  all you can ID from the OP is psilocybe, false:  no proof/ pic has been provided to assume the worst....  Fast food can cause the same symptoms...So all we know is that what is pictured(can see)is active.  Shroower you def.  don't need to be name dropping like that... Mental and the others that you dropped are very well rounded with ID's and general knowledge.  You should be mad at the OP.  For starting a thread like this and abandoning it for a day, plus if you haven't vetted out toxic mushrooms before you dry, then you prob. Shouldn't be hunting by yourself.  You should have at least 3 chances to catch a toxic mushroom.  When you pick, spore print, when you dry them, and after drying. Plus make ID request if you are not 100% sure.  If you still can't determine if they are active after that, then you should toss em.  Shroower chill out and think before you post.  No one was telling him to eat a toxic mushy,  in fact there was NO (zero) evidence of the worst except for a few symptoms that hundreds of other things can cause.




Oh I thought before posting, I thought.

And you're still saying that it's a fact that everything presented by mcasas are Psilocybe cyanescens which is fucking absurd considering at least 70% of the mushrooms are dry, hidden and unidentifiable on that jar.

I will never get mad at a person that comes here and admits a mistake that he could've eaten a deadly poisonous mushroom. Someone in that position needs help and not to be scorched.

Now the people downplaying that and thinking they are able to ID dry mushrooms in a jar behind other mushrooms and talking about food poisoning in this case, yea, I don't give a fuck about their reputation.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: shroower]
    #27082887 - 12/10/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Damn dude, do you even read?  I said what can be seen.  Could be a fairy that he ate, I am not assuming anything.  Unlike you who seems upset that he’s ok... In the words of an unwise man “Come on man!”  Quit making mountains out of mole hills. 

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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: Nitro87]
    #27082901 - 12/10/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Remember boys and girls Alan said it takes 20 to kill you via organ damage, so that means if you eat 1 or 2, your organs will be just fine and you have nothing to worry about.

The only (Listen close "Experts") ONLY responsible thing to say is "There is no positive ID on what you actually ate, so it is possible you could have eaten it". Everyone else just seems to be a little salty because they were rightfully called out.

Seems like nobody is even a little concerned that OP is probably going to keep the jar


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    #27082911 - 12/10/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Now the people downplaying that and thinking they are able to ID dry mushrooms in a jar behind other mushrooms and talking about food poisoning in this case, yea, I don't give a fuck about their reputation.




Well at least its mutual, you don't give a fuck about our reputations and we don't give a fuck about your opinions. It seems your reaction to all this is based in emotions and not facts, and thats ok. Whats not ok is agressivly virtue signaling.... we get it, youre the only one that cares and therefore everyone else is wrong...right?
I've provided you more than one source that sites galerina marginata as being not as deadly as everyone believes. As said before it takes 10-20 whole fruits to cause death in an adult. Its not that we don't care or we don't worry OP has been accidentally poisoned, its just the evidence we can see with our eyes all point to him having psilocybe cyanescens or allenii. He would very likely be fine aside from slight GI upset if he had consumed one or 2 gallerina. Now if he would have posted a clutch of them and been like "guys i ate all of these" that would have been a different situation. We aren't idiots, hell some of us have knowledge on par with some of the best mycologists on this board and some of us enjoy this as a legitimate hobby. Ultimately if OP had truly believed he was poisoned he should have hauled ass to the hospital because the window for treatment is very very small.



http://bioweb.uwlax.edu/bio203/s2013/fleischa_kali/toxin.htm

https://wpamushroomclub.org/education/mushroom-toxicity/

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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: MentalPariah]
    #27082918 - 12/10/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah exactly what I was trying to say.  If you ate 2-4 galerinas it aint gon kill ya, not good, but wont kill you.  So unless this dude took like 4g of these cyans and some were galerinas, he'd still be ok.  But if he ate an eighth of them and they were half galerinas, well maybe be quite careful because an eighth can easily be 12+ small mushrooms. 

And if he did eat an eighth or so and like 5-6 of those were galerinas, well he wont die, but the kidney and liver damage would probably be awful.

Regardless, it goes to show you OP that unless you feel confident yourself, which you clearly don't, make sure to post a thread.  With photos of all the mushrooms spore printed, and numbered on a piece of paper for total and proper ID.


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    #27082930 - 12/10/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know where you people get off saying that as long as it doesn't kill you you are fine.


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    #27082932 - 12/10/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Damn dude, do you even read?  I said what can be seen.




Apparently you can't read your own post, so go back to it and see if you find the word "seen" on it.

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Facts:  all you can ID from the OP is psilocybe, false:  no proof/ pic has been provided to assume the worst....




If the fact that more than half of the mushrooms presented to by mcasa are unidentifiable is not enough reason to assume the worst and advise the person to seek medical attention if said person comes to this forum saying he might have eaten a Galerina then I really shouldn't be wasting my time on this response.

I'm absolutely glad that he is ok for now and I hope that continues to be the case.

My whole point in this whole thread was: you cannot reliably identify what the OP ate so the least you can do is not try to comfort him into the delusion that he'll be alright because everything else on the pictures look fine. The only responsible thing to say is what Sauercybe just mentioned which is YES, he could've eaten something poisonous based on the total information he provided.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: shroower]
    #27082945 - 12/10/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I guess the parentheses wasn’t good enough.  It’s called present tense while I was typing,  “seen” is past tense so yeah, didn’t say “seen” to be technical, but clearly (can see) is there in parentheses just for people that can’t skim read....

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    #27082948 - 12/10/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Well at least its mutual, you don't give a fuck about our reputations and we don't give a fuck about your opinions.hell some of us have knowledge on par with some of the best mycologists on this board and some of us enjoy this as a legitimate hobby.




Well at least I have an opinion, but you certainly don't have a reputation.

I've seen you confidently calling wrong species several times here or just throwing generic stuff in the ID forum, probably craving to get a TI tag under your name to feel relevant.
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    #27083043 - 12/10/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Well at least its mutual, you don't give a fuck about our reputations and we don't give a fuck about your opinions.hell some of us have knowledge on par with some of the best mycologists on this board and some of us enjoy this as a legitimate hobby.




Well at least I have an opinion, but you certainly don't have a reputation.

I've seen you confidently calling wrong species several times here or just throwing generic stuff in the ID forum, probably craving to get a TI tag under your name to feel relevant.
If you think your knowledge of mushrooms is on par with any serious mycologist you're plain delusional.




Nope, never said I was one of those on par with them and I could care less about having a TI tag. Yup I've made mistakes, been corrected, and learned from those mistakes. I know where I stand on this forum and you're being a belligerent asshole. Arguing with you is a fruitless endeavor that im not going to waste anymore time on. This went from a discussion to straight up personal attacks from you which completely diluted this thread with needless banter and bullshit. Dude, whatever is eating you alive inside to the point of needing to feel important on a website by throwing a tantrum I sincerely hope you come to terms with that and find some peace.

OP im glad you're OK and I hope this scare doesn't push you away from psychs. Just be a little more cognizant of what you're picking and consuming in the future.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: MentalPariah]
    #27083082 - 12/10/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

op you wont be needing that jar anymore. i can dispose of it for you


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    #27083135 - 12/10/20 10:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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    #27083407 - 12/11/20 03:43 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I've been following this post and here's my two cents:

If you can't spell Galerina correctly, you probably shouldn't be picking little brown mushrooms. I don't mean to be rude, but the misspelling would seem to indicate a lack of respect and/or understanding for the dangers of foraging.

Maybe you'd be ok if you consumed a couple, but who knows what long-term damage you would cause.

Remember to 100% identify every mushroom you plan on consuming, especially if you're hoarding them together.

This is my first year really getting into foraging mushrooms, and I accidentally ate a Hemileccinum subglabripes assuming is was a Boletus auripes. Safe mistake for me fortunately, but it really woke me up to the idea that what I am doing is dangerous, and that danger stems from ignorance.


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    #27083606 - 12/11/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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If you can't spell Galerina correctly, you probably shouldn't be picking little brown mushrooms. I don't mean to be rude, but the misspelling would seem to indicate a lack of respect and/or understanding for the dangers of foraging.
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Wut? This thread has really tanked now we comparing spelling to visual knowledge and respect? How do these equate at all?


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    #27084137 - 12/11/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm saying if you can't learn enough about Galerina to even spell it right, it may indicate a lack of seriousness in trying to understand potential dangers to your hobby. Perhaps you are right, Chuck; maybe I'm making too big a leap there.


Maybe I'm just a stickler for spelling. :P

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    #27084202 - 12/11/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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raffib128 said:[

If you can't spell Galerina correctly, you probably shouldn't be picking little brown mushrooms. I don't mean to be rude, but the misspelling would seem to indicate a lack of respect and/or understanding for the dangers of foraging.
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Wut? This thread has really tanked now we comparing spelling to visual knowledge and respect? How do these equate at all?




I was about to say dude.. that's a false equivalency/straw man if I've ever seen one.  CHUK HUNT I agree with you.


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    #27084239 - 12/11/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm saying if you can't learn enough about Galerina to even spell it right, it may indicate a lack of seriousness in trying to understand potential dangers to your hobby. Perhaps you are right, Chuck; maybe I'm making too big a leap there.


Maybe I'm just a stickler for spelling. :P





Language based learning disabilities are present in approximately 20% of the population.. Not being able to spell correctly isn’t usually a sign of lack of effort or seriousness but rather a simple lack of ability to spell well. Without dictation software and copy and paste for words that it doesn’t pick up, it would be difficult for most people to understand any of my spelling or writing even though I attended an Ivy League college..


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: Icyurmt]
    #27084363 - 12/11/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Shroower, You are leaving out that we all have demonstrated that we have demonstrated a certain level of proficiency in order to be tagged as a Trusted identifier or cultivator. If at any point,  any one of us suspected that the poster was at risk, we would have made it clear that medical treatment should be sought out immediately.

Now,  there are some mushrooms that will make you so sick from a single mouthful that you think you're dying, Chlorophyllum  molybdites has very powerful gastrointestinal irritants that can make you vomit blood and produce bloody diarrhea, but when it comes to deadly poisonings from mushrooms, it takes several grams to be fatal. I totally understand your concerns and the point you are trying to make, but you also must consider our experience, especially as a whole. If other Trusted identifiers had doubts. I too would have been concerned, but when we all agree and there are several Trusted identifiers chiming in then you can feel confident that it is ok.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: Icyurmt]
    #27084998 - 12/12/20 03:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

"Not being able to spell correctly isn’t usually a sign of lack of effort or seriousness but rather a simple lack of ability to spell well."

Thanks for using spell check though, Icyurmt - your posts are very clear and articulate. No lack of effort from you; and it is appreciated.

I don't know how to spell a lot of the scientific names, even if I was just reading about them, so I try to remember to double check my spelling. It's also in the forum rules ("It is important to describe your mushrooms as accurately as possible").

Proper spelling is also useful for the people on the forum who don't speak English as a first language. Spell-checking and reviewing your post before posting is a courtesy to the community here.

Just some thoughts. I know people with dyslexia and I know how frustrating it can be for them. Spelling has nothing to do with how intelligent one is, although it can feel that way to those that suffer from it.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: donjonson420]
    #27085148 - 12/12/20 07:08 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I can't speak to everything you may have picked and consumed but what's shown in the photos is generally consistent with what I would expect for P. cyanescens. One thing I have personally noticed with prolonged microdosing of 1 00 capsule daily of dried wild P. ovoideocystidiata usually after 2-3 months is general GI discomfort, weird chills/sweats and random sharp stomache pains.  I used to chalk this up to something bacterial in the wild fruits.  My latest theory is a build up of chitin a form of insoluble 'fiber' found in fungi, in the digestive tract overtime that ends up fermenting in a way to lead to this discomfort. Chitin-bearing foods are known to cause alimentary allergies, and chitin can induce and modulate immune reactions. Usually cooking mushrooms helps break down chitin but since we are drying wild fruits we are consuming chitin in it's raw form.  Everytime I stop microdosing the symptoms subside within a few days.



It could also be the fact that for a long period of time you were consuming something that's interacting with the serotonin receptors in your gut.


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