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Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID
    #27079361 - 12/08/20 07:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So I have been microdosing cyanescens for a while and last night I had some intense stomach pains, chills along with other symptoms of galerina poisoning... Please give me your thoughts on my stash/ all looked pretty spot on. It may have just been food poisoning.



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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: mcasa]
    #27079392 - 12/08/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'll wait for a trusted identifier to chime in, but it is a little bit concerning that I don't see any blue bruising on any of the mushrooms.

If you think you have been poisoned, you should bring the mushrooms to a hospital and go to the ER.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: mcasa] * 1
    #27079396 - 12/08/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I personally don't see Galerina in the last two pictures.

How are you feeling now? There's a remission period in which people feel better after the stomach issues but what follows after that is liver and kidney failure so if you really think you ate one you have to go to a hospital.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: shroower]
    #27079401 - 12/08/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Better to be safe than sorry.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: Hartford]
    #27079414 - 12/08/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Based on the first picture, I'm fairly positive you've got psilocybes.
Not only that, but from what can be seen: excellent quality.
Second picture also looks to be psilocybe. Third picture: hard to say.

But.

Even if I'm wrong, I don't think you will not gonna get a lethal dose of galerina from microdosing.

I'm pretty sure you've got something else going on.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: ZenZone]
    #27079451 - 12/08/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Btw, when you say "microdosing", what do you mean exactly?


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: mcasa]
    #27079516 - 12/08/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not a TI, but it appears to be a psilocybe species.  Some better pictures of the fresh specimens' stem and gills would help a lot though


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: shroomhunter222]
    #27079536 - 12/08/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Stomach bug most likely its that time of year folks around here are getting it and its pretty ruff but doesnt last long


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: HAKR ELITE]
    #27079585 - 12/08/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I can't speak to everything you may have picked and consumed but what's shown in the photos is generally consistent with what I would expect for P. cyanescens. One thing I have personally noticed with prolonged microdosing of 1 00 capsule daily of dried wild P. ovoideocystidiata usually after 2-3 months is general GI discomfort, weird chills/sweats and random sharp stomache pains.  I used to chalk this up to something bacterial in the wild fruits.  My latest theory is a build up of chitin a form of insoluble 'fiber' found in fungi, in the digestive tract overtime that ends up fermenting in a way to lead to this discomfort. Chitin-bearing foods are known to cause alimentary allergies, and chitin can induce and modulate immune reactions. Usually cooking mushrooms helps break down chitin but since we are drying wild fruits we are consuming chitin in it's raw form.  Everytime I stop microdosing the symptoms subside within a few days.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: donjonson420]
    #27080240 - 12/09/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Those pics look good to me.  I’ve had the same GI upset with wild P. Caerulescence.  I pretty much expect it now after I consume them.  It usually happens with fresh fruits.  I’ve tried tea and it seems to still be there.  I was thinking it was bacterial, but the chitin makes sense.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: Nitro87]
    #27080375 - 12/09/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Nitro87 said:
Those pics look good to me.  I’ve had the same GI upset with wild P. Caerulescence.  I pretty much expect it now after I consume them.  It usually happens with fresh fruits.  I’ve tried tea and it seems to still be there.  I was thinking it was bacterial, but the chitin makes sense.




Same, I seem to get really crampy and bloated more so from ps caerulescens as opposed to pans or cubes. I think it has to do with the serotonin receptors in our GI tract being excited and I make this  conclusion based on its the EXACT same whether I eat them whole or make tea.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: MentalPariah]
    #27080385 - 12/09/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

IMHO, even though we can agree that mcasa didn't pick Galerinas in the second and third pictures, it's impossible to say what he ate from that jar, so just telling him he'll be ok and it's just cramps is irresponsible since none of us can identify what came from that.

I was under impression that this community took mushroom poisoning more seriously :shrug:

If you believe you ingested Galerina mushrooms you go to a hospital, period. Waiting for it to present more symptoms or for the current symptoms to go away is not how you survive amatoxin intoxication.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: shroower]
    #27080512 - 12/09/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I don't see Galerina, I see Psilocybe cyanescens. True food poisoning occurs 4-6hrs after consuming tainted food and presents with stomach cramps, fever,  diarrhea and vomiting and chills, symptoms are acute and can be severe, especially in those with a compromised immune system..

Edit: you should always post pictures of mushrooms outside of the bag or jar


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: Doc9151]
    #27080577 - 12/09/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

There were many more mushrooms in that jar than the photos. So it's possible, as shroower said, that he could've eaten a deadly Galerina, in which case he has a short window of time to get treatment.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: Hartford]
    #27080629 - 12/09/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm honestly disappointed with the attempts to give an explanation to his GI tract issues, totally ignoring the fact that there's a whole jar of dried and unidentifiable mushrooms sitting in one of the pictures which contain many more mushrooms than the ones that are possible to ID.

Whatever you think it could be causing it is irrelevant when there's a real possibility of amatoxins ingestion. He goes to a hospital they'll screen liver transaminases and if that doesn't come clean they'll screen for serum amatoxins. If all that is good then he comes back home and monitors for other symptoms.

I know the US healthcare system sucks and depending on mcasas' situation this could've become expensive, but we're not talking about a person who might have eaten a piece of bread that had some green on it, we're talking about the possibility of ingestion of a deadly substance with a very short window of treatment.

With that said, I hope he's OK because he hasn't reported back in almost a whole day.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: shroower]
    #27080679 - 12/09/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I fucking love the label hanging off the jar filled to the top of unidentified mushrooms: "this life is a gift" and then the galerina post.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27080682 - 12/09/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The mushrooms in the jar have blackish purple gills, clearly not galerina. Food poisoning in this case is far more likely than amatoxin poisoning. His illness may not even be related to the mushrooms.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: MentalPariah]
    #27080710 - 12/09/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I checked OP's post history...nothing I saw (didn't see all) looks like a Galerina...but there was mention of some difficulty with drying methods (possibly a big deal in the PNW this type of year).

I'm wondering about the compounds that cause WLP, particularly if there are some handling issues.

My main hope is that OP logs back on and updates us. The one thing that would make me feel better than that is his taking this seriously and going to the hospital.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: MentalPariah] * 1
    #27080789 - 12/09/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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The mushrooms in the jar have blackish purple gills, clearly not galerina. Food poisoning in this case is far more likely than amatoxin poisoning. His illness may not even be related to the mushrooms.




What kind of advice is this? You absolutely CANNOT SEE ALL THE MUSHROOMS INSIDE THAT JAR.

I must be getting old, y'all too irresponsible.

Please ask yourself if you'd trust 100% shaking that jar without looking to the mushrooms that are not facing the camera and eat a handful of them before saying that the whole goddamn thing contains exclusively P. cyanescens.

Can we agree that it's simply not possible to identify every single one of the mushrooms inside that glass? Therefore, there is a possibility that mcasa ate an unidentified species, which could or could not be a Galerina and that his illness may or may not be due to that, BUT IF IT IS and he doesn't seek medical attention he might fucking die?

You don't identify a whole jar of dry mushrooms by just the ones you can see. You just don't, because that's stupid.


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Re: Worried I picked Gallerinas and ate them. please ID [Re: shroower]
    #27080845 - 12/09/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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MentalPariah said:
The mushrooms in the jar have blackish purple gills, clearly not galerina. Food poisoning in this case is far more likely than amatoxin poisoning. His illness may not even be related to the mushrooms.




What kind of advice is this? You absolutely CANNOT SEE ALL THE MUSHROOMS INSIDE THAT JAR.

I must be getting old, y'all too irresponsible.

Please ask yourself if you'd trust 100% shaking that jar without looking to the mushrooms that are not facing the camera and eat a handful of them before saying that the whole goddamn thing contains exclusively P. cyanescens.

Can we agree that it's simply not possible to identify every single one of the mushrooms inside that glass? Therefore, there is a possibility that mcasa ate an unidentified species, which could or could not be a Galerina and that his illness may or may not be due to that, BUT IF IT IS and he doesn't seek medical attention he might fucking die?

You don't identify a whole jar of dry mushrooms by just the ones you can see. You just don't, because that's stupid.




First off,  we said that what we can see is Psilocybe cyanescens, that doesn't mean that everything in the jar is just that, don't read into what people say. I also immediately edited my post to mention posting pictures outside of the jar. With the evidence presented in the total post, I will still say the same thing,  they are Psilocybe cyanescens.


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