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NotTheDevil
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A technological afterlife.
#27079221 - 12/08/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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After a few psychotic experiences that made me feel like I had magical powers, or was dying, I spent so much time thinking about life, death, and consciousness. I studied shamanism, hinduism, wicca, druidism, native american religions, buddhism, jainism, sikhism, etc. It wasn't until I came to the abrahamic religions that I felt fear. I was afraid for myself and others, of eternal hellfire. Later, I slowly reverted back to my atheistic, agnostic position. It was then I still felt a burning need for hope in a utopic afterlife for humanity. I ended up settling on a hope, not a belief, but a hope, that one day humans, or perhaps other intelligent beings, will become so technologically advanced that they may develop an afterlife.
The idea that humans will one day be able to put their consciousness into a machine is not new, but that would only be helpful for people in the future. What gave me hope was the idea that, because spacetime is malleable, and can be effected by gravitational waves, the data of our "souls" could be gathered by a machine capable of recovering bits of data from the past and upload those into a simulation. This afterlife need not be limited to humans either, it could be extended to all animals, and this is where I've landed. I have hope in humanity and our desendants, to produce an afterlife for themselves and their ancestors. It's a large relief to have hope, and a small burden to believe that if we want it, we have to work for it.
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DividedQuantum
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Re: A technological afterlife. [Re: NotTheDevil] 1
#27079222 - 12/08/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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You don't think it's possible that in the infinite expanse of the multiverse, which presumably has existed for an infinitely long time, someone has done that already?
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NotTheDevil
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If it's already done, that's all well and good, but in the absence of evidence, I would rather we choose to work towards it ourselves. There could in fact, already be millions of such machines, but I have no evidence of that. Simply, might as well work towards it until such time as it is proved to already be done.
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Loaded Shaman
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Re: A technological afterlife. [Re: NotTheDevil] 1
#27079737 - 12/08/20 11:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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The biological machine known as the human body is already more advanced than ANY AI, and it also holds souls!
I think we're there .
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saintdextro
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I Heard a Monk say that you may not want to desire to be a robot, your conscious may be reborn in a machine out of that desire, you might not like that.
also said that people that freeze themselves, if there life consciousness is still in the body waiting to un thaw, that would be like a cold hell for many years, you will probably not like that either.
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NotTheDevil
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Re: A technological afterlife. [Re: saintdextro]
#27080149 - 12/09/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Loaded Shaman said: The biological machine known as the human body is already more advanced than ANY AI, and it also holds souls!
I think we're there .
More advanced, at present. It will take a bare minimum of twenty years for computers to even be able to compete with the human brain, and probably at the earliest, another twenty years again before the technology to transfer consciousness to a machine might exist. Even then, it would only happen by the work of humans and intelligent machines working together towards commons goals. /this, also, is an optimistic scenario for the next hundred years. Stuff's gonna be crazy. We may even be able to build artificial neurons, and from them, artificial brains. Such work has started. I'll either be dead, or a very old man by the time they bear fruit.
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saintdextro said: I Heard a Monk say that you may not want to desire to be a robot, your conscious may be reborn in a machine out of that desire, you might not like that.
also said that people that freeze themselves, if there life consciousness is still in the body waiting to un thaw, that would be like a cold hell for many years, you will probably not like that either.
I'd rather not be a robot. Robot's have physical form in the world. I'd rather be a human mind in a simulation of a heaven. Being just any machine would simply not do. The exact details of what I'd consider to be my heaven are personal to me. They include both the freedom to work by choice toward even further development of technology, and the opportunity to not "work" (everything is a type of work) and pursue both pleasure and spiritual enlightenment as I see fit. Ideally, over the centuries, I'd do all 3.
As for freezing one's self, one has no life energy whatsoever while frozen, especially cryogenically. Cryogenics as they stand wait for complete death and the quickly begin with replacing blood and other bodily fluids with different kinds of protective antifreeze to prevent cells from rupturing in the freeze. 'If revival is possible after cryogenic freezing, the experience is most likely to be similar to hibernation. There's actually a frog that freezes solid in the mud of it's home every winter and hibernates in this format waiting for spring.
Edited by NotTheDevil (12/09/20 09:36 AM)
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BrendanFlock
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Re: A technological afterlife. [Re: NotTheDevil]
#27088114 - 12/14/20 12:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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If an AI was created.. why could we not teach it the moral law?
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BrendanFlock
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Choosing to be a machine could be an option in the future..
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Asante
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There is no reason to believe that you won't live every possible life, in every possible universe that can host any possible form of you, for all eternity.
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Loaded Shaman
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Re: A technological afterlife. [Re: Asante]
#27109927 - 12/27/20 12:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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When man and machine collide.
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mkcobain
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These are the products of an ego oriented mind. Ego is an image and this image doesn't want to die as it is programmed to. Desperate...
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