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Re: covid steals us and how are you doing? [Re: Yellow Pants] 1
#27077489 - 12/07/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yellow Pants said: If I had to take a jab I would look to exploit Rahz’s conservative ideology with his sympathy towards the military. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
If you are going to be about minimalist government then c’mon man walk the walk ! So we might get invaded by a superior army. Have to be willing to roll the dice says conservative ideology
I am a fiscal conservative and believe non-governmental cooperatives would be a better answer for many social problems. Forcing people to do the right thing doesn't make them any more right. As long as government has a hand in such things it will grow and take more and more money making it impossible for the people to support themselves. I disagree with being the world police and know we could still have a strong defensive military for much less cost. Yet as the world situation is embedded, the answer is to work towards a peaceful withdraw which could take some time to say the least. There currently isn't a peaceful withdraw from Taiwan for instance. China would pressure them and take their autonomy quickly. It is the same with South Korea. I don't mind spending some money to help keep millions of people safe from quasi-religious cult like governments willing to invade and kill for the sake of dominance. I would very much like to see the military budget drop due to such situations being peacefully resolved with nobody wanting to kill anyone else to exert control over them.
So yes, military spending and even social spending to feed people is higher on the list than art. 
And no, I don't think our government is innocent, but it hasn't got everything wrong. Government is a de facto restraint on individual liberty and should be as small as possible.
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Re: covid steals us and how are you doing? [Re: Rahz]
#27077759 - 12/07/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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. I wonder if it is even possible for a civilian to know answers to these questions. We don't have data on cyber war, or Russian and Chinese weapons development. We don't have the data on the aging of nuclear missiles and bombs, in many countries from decades ago. . And those who do have the data, are probably both paranoid, and have vested interests in war. . And the CIA and possibly others have a black budget. . And the drugs for arms deals from the days of Ollie North and similar shit most likely continue in some form.
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Re: covid steals us and how are you doing? [Re: Rahz]
#27077772 - 12/07/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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rahz, it's the name calling, not the politics, politics does not require name calling. we are all part of the larger group of creatures called humanity. politics should be a way to manage the larger affairs of humanity. It has been laid out to work to that end. politics is a good thing, and it involves finding out what everyone thinks and what the majority thinks should have steering control.
therefore let the majority begin to think, divisive name calling is not valid thinking, and it wastes the enormous cost of staging politics.
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Re: covid steals us and how are you doing? [Re: redgreenvines]
#27077790 - 12/07/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I heard freakazoid's eradictates politics.
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Re: covid steals us and how are you doing? [Re: redgreenvines]
#27077837 - 12/07/20 08:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: rahz, it's the name calling, not the politics, politics does not require name calling. we are all part of the larger group of creatures called humanity. politics should be a way to manage the larger affairs of humanity. It has been laid out to work to that end. politics is a good thing, and it involves finding out what everyone thinks and what the majority thinks should have steering control.
therefore let the majority begin to think, divisive name calling is not valid thinking, and it wastes the enormous cost of staging politics.
Well, the person I allude to seems quite childish in their choice of words. 
But you and I are above such things.
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Edited by Rahz (12/07/20 10:09 PM)
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Re: covid steals us and how are you doing? [Re: Rahz]
#27078211 - 12/08/20 05:30 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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what is this you and I, Rahz. I am not above anything.
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Re: covid steals us and how are you doing? [Re: redgreenvines]
#27078236 - 12/08/20 06:08 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Politics, almost every politician now, doesn't do a damned thing for their people
So I see politics as a completely failed structure
Rebuilding it will just result in injustice as humans are not perfect and easily succumb to bribes, redistricting, gerrymandering, all sorts of bullshit. Corruption everywhere
It didn't start in 2017, it started decades before that but oh well.
It's so deeply rooted that I do not believe the system will be fixed or improved
Capitalism will allow like 100,000 humans total on a generation ship to Mars and the super rich will colonize that planet and do the exact same thing there, that they have done here.
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Re: covid steals us and how are you doing? [Re: redgreenvines]
#27078327 - 12/08/20 07:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: rahz, it's the name calling, not the politics, politics does not require name calling. we are all part of the larger group of creatures called humanity. politics should be a way to manage the larger affairs of humanity. It has been laid out to work to that end. politics is a good thing, and it involves finding out what everyone thinks and what the majority thinks should have steering control.
therefore let the majority begin to think, divisive name calling is not valid thinking, and it wastes the enormous cost of staging politics.
Doesn't "moron" also fall squarely into the arena of name calling?
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Re: covid steals us and how are you doing? [Re: Lion]
#27078345 - 12/08/20 08:05 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: rahz, it's the name calling, not the politics, politics does not require name calling. we are all part of the larger group of creatures called humanity. politics should be a way to manage the larger affairs of humanity. It has been laid out to work to that end. politics is a good thing, and it involves finding out what everyone thinks and what the majority thinks should have steering control.
therefore let the majority begin to think, divisive name calling is not valid thinking, and it wastes the enormous cost of staging politics.
Doesn't "moron" also fall squarely into the arena of name calling?
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redgreenvines said: what is this you and I, Rahz. I am not above anything.
I'm not trying to gang up on ya mah bro, RGV, but I'm with Lion on this one. Moron is name calling and it certainly feels like you think you're above someone being a "moron". Just sayin'...
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Re: covid steals us and how are you doing? [Re: Pinkerton]
#27078436 - 12/08/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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let me put it this way, if you are significantly below average intelligence for any reason you will test out as a moron.
genetics, distraction, dope or otherwise.
sometimes I am a moron. However, in the last 4 years I have seen extremely moronic behavior in politics, a dysfunction that has been fomented by the antics of an orange faced fat clown.
I do not consider allegiance to be proper politics, it is certainly not intelligent politics when people become distracted or coerced to follow an orange faced fat clown.
My comments are a critique upon the efforts to dignify what has been happening in the political arena as politics while they certainly conform to circus antics and outright inanity.
I am neither committed to the left or the right though in my history I have voted 50% NDP (worker's rights, education, healthcare, homeless) and 50% Liberal (which in Canada is middle of the road). I have never voted for larger class sizes, anti-immigration, or divestiture of protected public lands for Oil, Gas, or mining.
Being a moron is nothing to be ashamed of. Get help to think things through if you are stuck.
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Re: covid steals us and how are you doing? [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#27078482 - 12/08/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's okay to call someone a moron as long as you feel it justifiable. Got it. And do you think calling someone a moron makes it more or less likely a person will take your advice and get help? Or will is just solidify opposition?
"it's the name calling, not the politics, politics does not require name calling."
"orange faced fat clown"
That's not name calling either right? Some people just test out as orange faced fat clowns.
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Re: covid steals us and how are you doing? [Re: Rahz]
#27078498 - 12/08/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think you know what I mean, but you can pardon yourself if you wish, that seems to be how things are being done at the moment.
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Re: covid steals us and how are you doing? [Re: Rahz] 1
#27078503 - 12/08/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's just the media repeating the same kind of label then twitterverse made some labels and then everyone and their grandma started needing scripts for benzos due to the media telling them the sky was falling for four years when literally all of Congress bickered and argued with each other, same with the president, and they stonewalled with no covid relief bill and then went on break and they're still getting paid
It's not just an orange clown
People got so desperate, that's what they voted for
And we will get someone worse than Trump if people keep voting for the "lesser of two evils" which just further shifts the overton window towards totalitarianism
I shouldn't need to mention how many bombs Bushv2, Obama, or Trump dropped per day, but for all of them it was over 100. And these weren't just any bombs, these are total drone bombings per day which means targeting killing.
Bushv1 and Bushv2 responsible for millions of deaths in the middle east, Obama just kept increasing the total kill count, and then Trump doing the same
Although I thought Brian William's was going to cum in his pants when Trump fired missiles at Syria and that was the *only* time the media said unanimously, that he was acting presidential. Only when he rocket bombed Syria did they say he was acting presidential.
That's fucked up. On behalf of the "media"
The media just reads what has been posted on Twitter. You hardly see actual journalists out in the field actually getting the truth about what is going on in specific areas. It's just anchors repeating anchors repeating a tweet that was retweeted by someone and somehow, that is news.
And politicians are going to make sure Julian Assange is executed (who is imprisoned because he leaked footage of US military firing .50 rounds out of a machine gun mounted on a helicopter and these servicemen murdered two Reuters journalists, and then the helicopter flew back and the soldiers did a "double tap" and fired additional .50 caliber rounds at the journalists as they squirmed on the ground
But let's get angry at one orange man. Edit: the reason we got the orange man, was because of voting for the lesser of two evils. Lets keep doing that.
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Re: covid steals us and how are you doing? [Re: redgreenvines]
#27078504 - 12/08/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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One the one hand I think I know exactly what you mean. On the other, I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Re: covid steals us and how are you doing? [Re: Rahz]
#27078537 - 12/08/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes what is it is it crisis or is it life without crisis it it trouble or life without trouble is it darkness or spiritual prospects without it
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Re: covid steals us and how are you doing? [Re: Rahz]
#27078689 - 12/08/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I did not call anyone here a moron or a clown. that is name calling Referring to Donald Trump as an orange clown is also not name calling - it is his intended performance that is a joke. He is a pro, and that is why he got that job. Those with whom he is in cahoots operate on the shady side of the law as does he. That is nauseating to me. but of course, nausea is close to godliness, so - maybe it is an epiphany?
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Re: covid steals us and how are you doing? [Re: skOsH]
#27079146 - 12/08/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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skOsH said: Politics, almost every politician now, doesn't do a damned thing for their people
So I see politics as a completely failed structure
Rebuilding it will just result in injustice as humans are not perfect and easily succumb to bribes, redistricting, gerrymandering, all sorts of bullshit. Corruption everywhere
It didn't start in 2017, it started decades before that but oh well.
It's so deeply rooted that I do not believe the system will be fixed or improved
Capitalism will allow like 100,000 humans total on a generation ship to Mars and the super rich will colonize that planet and do the exact same thing there, that they have done here.
Well if it only started decades ago then there must be reason to optimistically believe some progress will be made. Admittedly this feels like a hollow statement. Maybe not, perhaps Joe will be the start of something BIG
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Re: covid steals us and how are you doing? [Re: redgreenvines]
#27079218 - 12/08/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: I did not call anyone here a moron or a clown. that is name calling Referring to Donald Trump as an orange clown is also not name calling - it is his intended performance that is a joke. He is a pro, and that is why he got that job. Those with whom he is in cahoots operate on the shady side of the law as does he. That is nauseating to me. but of course, nausea is close to godliness, so - maybe it is an epiphany?
I've made my point, but I feel it has gone over your head so let's just disagree to agree. And I believe it was orange fat clown. I know you wouldn't fat shame though so perhaps it's my foggy memory.
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Re: covid steals us and how are you doing? [Re: Rahz]
#27079300 - 12/08/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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precision is also next to godliness, with nausea but yeah, it's the only way to be.
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#27091235 - 12/15/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Peoples reaction to things is what ruined it for the world.
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