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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Psion] 1
#27076091 - 12/06/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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. fear of change is right there in their belief system
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: morrowasted]
#27076214 - 12/06/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Idk. Most of the intelligent and hard working people whom i respect are conservative. One of them is from hong kong.
Most of the dems who i respect are either young or work for the government.
Some people who are dems, one in particular, i have 0 respect for. Theyre a bit of a disgrace.
I know some conservatives who are down right horrible human beings.
Whats wrong with conservatives?
To menit seems like they favor hard work and getting what you earn and capitalism.
While dems favor socialism and people who are lazy as fuck and dont even try are taken care of.
Though it seems they favor fair opportunity and helping those in need.
Republicans give more to charity. They beleive in helping others, but not in the government controlling it.
Dems give less to charity. And think the gov. Should control it.
I personally think if there are injustices in opportunity they should be addresses.
The hardest working men i have ever met, one of them was one of the most selfless, seemed to be conservative.
So its hard for me to have an issue with conservatives.
Maybe im missing some important points.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu] 1
#27076230 - 12/06/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's a difference between "Republican" and "conservative."
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu] 1
#27076241 - 12/06/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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what's wrong with the government stepping up to control and be the one to help people in need?
think about it for a sec. why are we having to leave it to random acts of strangers to fix all the ills of society, when we have governments, that are FOR the people, BY the people, whose literal entire purpose is to uplift the existence of everyone? to make everyone's lives better?
if the government is not doing that job... its failing as a government.
if charities exist and are thriving...the government is failing. in an ideal government...there should be no charities.
because there is no need for private charities.
and those people who are "lazy as fuck"? define lazy as fuck. because not everyone wants to be a CEO of a company, wants to work 80 hours a week, wants to have an advanced degree in physics or be some huge actress or the like. some people just want to live a normal life, have enough to get by with a little extra, have some free time to themselves, and maybe go hiking on the weekends, maybe paint in their free time, or play with their kids, or just play video games when not working.
and you know what? that's fine too. that's not lazy as fuck. that's just being normal. that's being balanced. the world needs all types, because for every CEO, there's literally thousands of people who need to be cashiers, baggers, stockers, and other jobs that are not advanced degrees - the people who are the actual people hauling ass, the actual people who are not "lazy as fuck" that make a company's profits, despite making sub-living wages.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Psion]
#27076251 - 12/06/20 10:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Governments always fuck up, every time, throughout history, there is endless ancient books talking about it that all hold true today. Literal religions form over just how bad governments are.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Psion]
#27076254 - 12/06/20 10:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psion said: what's wrong with the government stepping up to control and be the one to help people in need?
think about it for a sec. why are we having to leave it to random acts of strangers to fix all the ills of society, when we have governments, that are FOR the people, BY the people, whose literal entire purpose is to uplift the existence of everyone? to make everyone's lives better?
if the government is not doing that job... its failing as a government.
if charities exist and are thriving...the government is failing. in an ideal government...there should be no charities.
because there is no need for private charities.
and those people who are "lazy as fuck"? define lazy as fuck. because not everyone wants to be a CEO of a company, wants to work 80 hours a week, wants to have an advanced degree in physics or be some huge actress or the like. some people just want to live a normal life, have enough to get by with a little extra, have some free time to themselves, and maybe go hiking on the weekends, maybe paint in their free time, or play with their kids, or just play video games when not working.
and you know what? that's fine too. that's not lazy as fuck. that's just being normal. that's being balanced. the world needs all types, because for every CEO, there's literally thousands of people who need to be cashiers, baggers, stockers, and other jobs that are not advanced degrees - the people who are the actual people hauling ass, the actual people who are not "lazy as fuck" that make a company's profits, despite making sub-living wages.
One of my favorite books is actually brave New world by Huxley. I loved that everybody in society had their place and everyone was happy with it and everyone took their Soma. I would say that 1984 is definitely a dystopian era while brave New world is more of a Utopia. In my eyes that is anyway. I think I would be really happy if I was living in the type of world that A brave New world talks about.
I read that book in 12th grade. I remember one of the parts where one of the main characters takes something like nine somas and then takes holiday. Fuckin rad dude!
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: budmanman]
#27076266 - 12/06/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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you make it sound like religions don't fuck up. at least with governments, it's easier to hold them accountable, and vote them out of office/throw them into prison/overthrow the despot.
a lot of people freak out over millions or billions of dollars wasted in taxpayer dollars - but you gotta realize, a lot of the times, when you look at the overall % of money spent vs allocated funds, it's often tiny %, usually 1-2% or less. that kind of loss margins is something that private companies salivate over. this is because the government is not a for profit company (for the most part, barring a few exceedingly corrupt and more semi-corrupt individuals) but a giant not-for-profit organization. the problem is, people keep trying to run it like a business, when it's NOT a business. it's more like a charity mixed with investments - you're trying to raise everyone's quality of life, while at the same time invest in things like science to improve future quality of life, or lower costs of things like healthcare (so you can provide even more quality of life), or increase people's overall wealth (and thus, more taxes coming back in, and thus, able to invest in the people more.)
it's a tricky balancing act - but if you simply invest in large corporations and ignore the people at the bottom, what you get is a bunch of rich companies...and a large, unhealthy populace that's unable to buy their products.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27076269 - 12/06/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Republicans give more to charity. They beleive in helping others, but not in the government controlling it.
Dems give less to charity. And think the gov. Should control it.
Tithing is not the same as giving to charity. Tithing is self serving.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Shiva thedestroyer]
#27076272 - 12/06/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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How did I make it seem like religions don't fuck up? All religions are 100% wrong and just a response from people who are un happy about their situations and come up with deities to fight back against their circumstances, the only thing is, the shit they made up can't help them because it is all made up.
Sometimes though the people who make up these deities over threw their governments gave credit to their god and thought they must be chosen by them and then make a government with laws based on their religious belief.
That is the worst kind of government, lots of them like that.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu]
#27076273 - 12/06/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: Maybe im missing some important points.
There's a whole lot here and we could go on for days why. I come from a very largely conservative friend/family group and as such I always considered myself slightly conservative but unpartisan voter. In 2016 I was so stunned that someone as clearly a dirtbag, narcissistic liar as Trump was being nominated as president. Ever since then, I paid very close attention to politics and ever since then my opinion has continued to change from slightly conservative to almost being a never-Republican.
I guess if we want to actually discuss this, you have ask yourself: what do you find is important? How much corruption is okay? How much trickery would you be willing to swallow to vote for someone who didn't agree with you politically? What would make me change my mind to saying the Republicans are actually bad? I promise you the reason that Republicans even have the traction they do is they are FAR, FAR better at marketing than Democrats. Their media propaganda monolith is fantastic at what it tries to do.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: metalfaith]
#27076278 - 12/06/20 10:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah the fact that support for trump was unwavering despite the fact that he’s clearly a mentally unbalanced, incompetent and lazy sociopath really says a lot about the kind of people populating the modern Republican Party.
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I promise you the reason that Republicans even have the traction they do is they are FAR, FAR better at marketing than Democrats. Their media propaganda monolith is fantastic at what it tries to do.
It’s easier to sell yourself if you aren’t bound by facts
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: koods]
#27076291 - 12/06/20 10:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Yeah the fact that support for trump was unwavering despite the fact that he’s clearly a mentally unbalanced, incompetent and lazy sociopath really says a lot about the kind of people populating the modern Republican Party.
If you are speaking about politicians, yes, unfortunately is does. We are in desperate need of term limits. If you're talking about voters, I can't agree with that.
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Now this is unfortunately very true. I just figured people would actually care if they did that.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: metalfaith] 1
#27076386 - 12/07/20 12:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you are speaking about politicians, yes, unfortunately is does. We are in desperate need of term limits. If you're talking about voters, I can't agree with that.
I pretty much agree with him. My parents were lifelong republicans until trump, now they both say they "have to vote democrat because the republican party has changed into something". and while the democratic party has captured some former republicans, the new republican party has captured some former democrats. it's basically a party organized around social regressivism now. so many people in the religious communities who voted for trump did so only around the question of his supposed stance on abortion.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: morrowasted]
#27076569 - 12/07/20 05:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry didnt mean to alter the course of this thread
I dont know a whole lot about politics. Life is busy. Ive tried to become more educated.
Yeah trump is horrible but what about biden? Now even if biden isnt that bad, what about the people who will take over when they declare he is incompetent and senile?
Personally, fuck the government. They are not meant to take care of me and i dont want them to take care of me. Im a *free man and i want to take care of myself.
I dont want the government telling me how best to live.
And i dont want them involved in my life outside protecting my freedom.
Psion, the government was never meant to be your mother to suck on her titty.
But thats just my opinion.
Because i want to be left the fuck alone to live my life, i believe in SMALL government.
You do wtf we tell you and not the other way around.
But im all for equality.
In the past it seems the government was much smaller and everything was working out fine.
Like another poster mentioned.
It scares me when i have young friends in college who literally are saying "yeah socialism doesnt seem thst bad, maybe we should give it a try"
Not knowing wtf theyre talking about because politics have moved so far left that old democrats by todays standards would be considered republican.
But i need to do more educating on myself ya know.
Ive only taken limited political courses on college and really wasnt interested.
Kinda got to the point of people are stupid, should they be left to make their own choices or should someone wiser choose for them.
I will always opt on the side of freedom. Because thats what i believe in.
I rather crumble under my own choices than let someone make them for me.
But back to this whole covid thing...
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu]
#27076843 - 12/07/20 09:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psion said: i mean, it's definitely not just republicans, and i'm saying this as someone who mostly votes democrat. (granted, i'm independent, leaning left, and democrats definitely are too conservative as a whole for my taste, but alas - what can you do in this damn two party system?)
but yeah, as a whole, the republicans are vastly outnumbering democrats here for the blame on masks. i mean, it's right there in the name - conservative. fear of change is right there in their belief system. oh sure, they'll say they're not afraid of change and they have other perfectly valid reasons for it...but it's obvious by their actions that fear is the heart of why they avoid change. i wouldn't be surprised if many of the democrats failing to comply with mask mandates are the more "conservative" leaning ones as well.
in the end, reality, once again, shows that it has a liberal bias. change comes to all things. it can't be helped - time is a river, an arrow in flight that cannot be halted.
to do so would be to destroy existence itself.
Yea I'd be hesitant to make it a purely partisan thing. My Republican governor has a background in healthcare and IMO he's been incredible during the pandemic, even unnecessarily over-cautious by recently mandating masks even if you're outdoors and distanced. There are some pretty hardcore republicans I know that have family members with severe illnesses who can't afford to put the blindfold on and have had to take this seriously.
It does take courage though, my governor's now labeled a RINO by all the trumpies and the ones I know taking it seriously are now being practically shunned by their friends and family. At the same time we've all seen the democratic politicians being caught breaking their own recommendations/mandates... Biden's victory party was a pretty big "wtf" moment.
The tribal shit is dumb, it just seems to be a part of being human for most though. It's just pretty sad that we're at a point where we all can't even come together enough to establish what is and is not objective reality. The differences in social/economic issues will always persist, but I think promoting science and research literacy starting in elementary school will go a long way toward helping us in the most pressing issues like climate change and healthcare/how to respond to future deadly disease outbreaks. The ability to critically analyze research and sources is incredibly important when so many people are barraged 24/7 by internet propaganda and misinformation about nearly everything.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: feevers]
#27077849 - 12/07/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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i mean, technically our government already has some forms of democratic socialism, which is what many of the more leftist democrats are arguing for. this is hardly revolutionist crap either - our idea of "democrat" is...the rest of the worlds right. our republican party is pretty much extremist right by the rest of the modern world. last i checked, europe is doing pretty darn well and has not self imploded with covid. even their "not so greats" are still making the US look like an absolute potato by comparison. a potato grown by Chell for her "bring your daughter to work day" science project.
when lefties are talking about socialism, they're not talking about straight up socialism, but the hybrid version of democratic socialism. in fact, they usually flat out say democratic socialism, then the rights are like OH GODS THEY'RE COMMIES, BURN THE NAZIS #@$#@!@ and mix the two up while at the same time getting democratic socialism and straight up socialism mixed up as well. for instance, in democratic socialism there would be free markets in small businesses and some things, but essential utilities, for instance, would likely be state owned to keep things stable and low in pricing. because the governments goal isn't for maximizing profit, simply minimizing costs while ensuring safety, this causes them to invest in research for more effective power plants while your utility bills are kept low as possible. same would go for things like internet. this already happens for your roads and water, btw. last i checked, the roads are (mostly) drivable, and the water is (mostly) quite safe to drink, barring a few issues with potholes and the flint crisis. but quite frankly... that's a pretty damn good track record for an entire country, and that's partly a state funding issue, not a US government issue.
while i understand the desire for siding on individual freedoms, and agree - at some point, individual freedoms, once again, impinge on other individuals rights to life and safety. at that point, you no longer have a right to freedom, because that pesky hierarchy - your freedom of choice to do whatever the fuck you want is just not as important as other peoples right to stay alive if your choices put them in danger of dying.
as the wiccans say - An it harm none, do as ye will!
but if it does...well, then. we have a problem.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Psion]
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Anyone feel like giving up Social security raise their hands.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: koods]
#27078027 - 12/08/20 12:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah the fact that support for trump was unwavering despite the fact that he’s clearly a mentally unbalanced, incompetent and lazy sociopath really says a lot about the kind of people populating the modern Republican Party.
That's 1 opinion. I love it when Obama tries to say Donald Trump is lazy. That's fucking hilarious! What a fool. You have no idea who Trump is, yet for 4 years you pretend you do. Many have engaging in fantasy for 4 years, in order to solidify their seat on the golden throne of condemnation. For 4 years you pretend to know this wacky stuff, as if you know the man.
Mosquitoes cause more human suffering than any other organism. Over one million people worldwide die from mosquito-borne diseases every year. But let's not reference that fact. No. No. No.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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Trump was kind of a let down. Dude was on track to spend a full half a year of his term golfing, but in the end it was like he wasn't even trying to succeed. Sad.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Lynnch]
#27078067 - 12/08/20 01:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd estimate for every 150 hours Trump worked this year, Joe Biden worked for 35 minutes.
I think Joe is dreading his 4 year term. He came out of retirement for this!? He'd rather play with his dog.
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