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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27040922 - 11/15/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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What exactly is the difference between feminism and radical feminism? I've never had a problem with any feminist thinking, except Andrea Dworkin (all men benefit from rape). She's disturbing, but so was half of OP's post.




I think radical feminists are more likely to hate men rather than just seek equality. I think patriarchy is a common tendency of social structure and they want to tear it down. Honestly I don't blame them. Over a third of women have experienced some form of childhood sexual abuse (and almost a fifth of men). I think the majority of women would be fine with a patriarchy if men didn't abuse their positions of power.


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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27045992 - 11/18/20 05:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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What exactly is the difference between feminism and radical feminism?




.  I have no idea. It seems many people like to identify with roles, groups, & philosophical views and partly do so by by ascribing different roles, & philosophical views, to other groups, and then finding fault with them.
.  Its a game grownups play more than kids, who have much more flexibility around identity.

.  I have known some lesbians and homosexuals a bit, who were rather ordinary. I suppose if one lived in a big city (perhaps especially San Francisco), one might run into aggressive types, of both sexes, and of all preferences.

.  One can of course play games with labels and subdivisions, so one could discuss black marxist, weed smoking, radical feminists  vs latino republican, coke snorting, radical feminists.

.  You get my simple point, no doubt, that taking this stuff seriously, probably effects one more, than any actual reality.


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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: laughingdog]
    #27057550 - 11/25/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I was hoping to illicit some nuanced discourse into this cultural movement with this thread. But all the comments are insults, random sentences, and sadly simple attributions.

Where are all the psychologists, sociologists, and philosophers of this forum to give an actual nuanced, reasonable contribution to the discussion? For a forum for psych/sociology discussions, the discourse is surprisingly shallow. No in-depth takes, no critical analysis, and few reasonable arguments for or against.

I guess I expected too much. This is a magic mushroom website afterall. There probably aren't a whole lot of real PHD/psychologists/sociologists/or even students. Its just regular shroomerites. I got the wrong impression of this sub forum.

Perhaps I should have stated that I was looking for nuanced opinions/takes on this social issue. Real discussion. But there doesn't seem to be much cohesion in the posts so far. I guess thats just how it goes sometimes. I'm not saying my opinion is right, or correct, just that it is based on empirical evidence and actual psychology and sociology. A paradigm, one of many.


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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: edgar1337] * 1
    #27057745 - 11/25/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

elicit stimulates a response - but here we are free willed so not the one you wanted.

illicit gets you arrested


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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: edgar1337]
    #27057791 - 11/25/20 09:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I was hoping to illicit some nuanced discourse into this cultural movement with this thread. But all the comments are insults, random sentences, and sadly simple attributions.

Where are all the psychologists, sociologists, and philosophers of this forum to give an actual nuanced, reasonable contribution to the discussion? For a forum for psych/sociology discussions, the discourse is surprisingly shallow. No in-depth takes, no critical analysis, and few reasonable arguments for or against.

I guess I expected too much. This is a magic mushroom website afterall. There probably aren't a whole lot of real PHD/psychologists/sociologists/or even students. Its just regular shroomerites. I got the wrong impression of this sub forum.

Perhaps I should have stated that I was looking for nuanced opinions/takes on this social issue. Real discussion. But there doesn't seem to be much cohesion in the posts so far. I guess thats just how it goes sometimes. I'm not saying my opinion is right, or correct, just that it is based on empirical evidence and actual psychology and sociology. A paradigm, one of many.




.  You are right that this not a site staffed by professionals, in academia, and that as a result some discussions are not great or degenerate.
.  IMO though this subject is of little interest in any case.
People label each other, and then ascribe dubious generalizations, to each other and then proceed to more generalities and anecdotes and finally judgements, given such a subject...generally.
.  And one can always subdivide labels indefinitely: marxist lesbian radical feminists, forum posting complaining feminists and so on -- its just a game, IMO.

There are some retired professionals, in academia that answer questions at:
https://www.quora.com/


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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: edgar1337]
    #27057890 - 11/25/20 10:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I was hoping to illicit some nuanced discourse into this cultural movement with this thread. But all the comments are insults, random sentences, and sadly simple attributions.




People be crazy yo:haha:

I think the truth is there has always been a gender war. Give women equality and the internet and there's going to be some blowback. There's nothing essentially wrong with your opening argument except that maybe you think there was a time when things were inherently different. There's a county law still on the books from the 50s where I live that states it's okay to beat your wife as long as you do it just outside the courthouse.

Are things getting better, or worse, or the same?

:shrug:


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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: Rahz]
    #27078040 - 12/08/20 12:32 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Radical Feminism: its alienation of men from women and #metoo destruction of lives [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #27078057 - 12/08/20 01:03 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Radical feminism is alienating men from women.




I agree. Feminism has caused a huge amount of harm. In much the same way as BLM causes harm. 

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The term toxic masculinity which emerged around the same time as the TRUMP ascendancy . . .




Donald Trump has been blamed for everything bad under the sun. Called a mass murderer and compared to Hitler and Mussolini. He was even blamed for George Floyd's death! (which was likely an overdose) It is hilarious to hear trans people complain that violence against trans people skyrocketed under the 4 years of Trump! Really? Are you fucking serious? Go suck on a pickle. Totally insane. It's laughable.

There's been no bigger scapegoat than Satan - who is blamed for all that is wrong in the world.


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