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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: laughingdog]
    #27068542 - 12/02/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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There are many "Murphy's Laws"
http://www.murphys-laws.com/murphy/murphy-laws.html/
and as you can see folks feel free to add to them

They are all meant to combine humor with the fact that "shit happens" which is the short bumper sticker version. It's called putting sugar in the medicine, or sugar coating, a bitter pill.

I have a new Murphy's Law:
Any discussion on the internet of "Murphy's Laws" will turn into something pretty humorless, removing the saving grace of the 'original (s)', which the average person easily understands instantly, anyway.



please everyone go to the site it is amazing the kinds of conversations Murphy is enjoying. each one better than the previous.

the only thing that can go wrong is not reading the list


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27074348 - 12/05/20 10:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So is Murphys law just thermodynamics?

The knowledge of decay?


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27074379 - 12/05/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Murphy's Law is basically the "worst outcome" of entropy increasing in the eyes of the person experiencing it.

It could just as easily increase and look more ordered, entropy increasing means that whatever is happening to the system keeps changing...towards chaos.

If entropy made everything more ordered, it wouldn't increase, and Murphy's Law would therefore not apply. Physics says entropy has to always increase, but that does not mean it always increases towards chaos. In some regions of the universe, entropy barely increases, stays the same, and can actually decrease, but total entropy of a system or the universe must always increase.


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: skOsH]
    #27074443 - 12/06/20 12:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Question is?

Why does thermodynamics exist?

Because of thought compulsion I can understand murphys law..

It is hard to just seperate something from the consciousness..


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27074609 - 12/06/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

As stated previously, Murphy's law suggest complete predictability.
And that an outcome is bad for you personally, has nothing to do with entropy vs order...
So why are you guys bringing entropy into this?


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Malkuthian]
    #27074653 - 12/06/20 06:15 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

it's not a law, it's just attitude that acknowledges an imagined limitation against success.


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27074679 - 12/06/20 06:52 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It's just humor, it was never intended to be interpreted seriously.
But if viewed from a philosophical perspective I agree with you, it would act as a limiter for potential and as such should be ignored.

But regardless if it's viewed as an attitude or a law, it's still suggest complete predictability.
So I don't get the entropy thing...


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Malkuthian]
    #27074766 - 12/06/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It's not a law and the humor is intended, but there is indeed a principle at play which probably should not be ignored.


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Rahz]
    #27074783 - 12/06/20 08:27 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

you mean like zero (the placeholder)?


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27074870 - 12/06/20 09:37 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Not sure if you were replying to me, but the idea is actually older than Mr. Murphy.

From Wikipedia:

"It is found that anything that can go wrong at sea generally does go wrong sooner or later"  Alfred Holt - 1877

"The first experiment already illustrates a truth of the theory, well confirmed by practice, what-ever can happen will happen if we make trials enough." Augustus De Morgan - 1866


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Rahz]
    #27075476 - 12/06/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

but after that completion of things that could go wrong.
something else eventually does, so all it means is nothing:
bad stuff happens
do your best anyway


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27075527 - 12/06/20 03:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Best practice is preventative medicine. We're only going to do as good as we can do, but fail safes are a good idea, especially with things like nuclear power plants. Not building them at sea level on a coastline that might experience a tsunami is also best practice.


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Rahz]
    #27076010 - 12/06/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

not building them would be better practice


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27076016 - 12/06/20 07:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Touche


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27076525 - 12/07/20 03:15 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I suspect many people continue to gamble at casinos assuming eventually something good will happen.


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #27077503 - 12/07/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe the idea is if you don't plan for everything then something will go wrong?


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27077725 - 12/07/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

One can restate the idea, if one wants, so that entropy is included:

'The more fiddly a mechanism, the more easily / likely, repairs will be necessary.'

also

And as we all already know, so its hard to debate:
'Buy a Cadillac or Mercedes-Benz and the repairs & parts will cost more. It might, last longer, but you better have some extra bucks to start with.'

.  Which brings up why it is that insurance companies make money.
Do people ever have to, have heard of Murphy, to want to buy it?
If not, why is the notion of shit happening, even debatable?
And also if God is so great why is insurance necessary?
.  Atheist insurance agents, must smile to themselves, on the way home in their cars, every time they pocket a nice commission from a church or minister - who knows maybe they go home and bow down to one of those funny posters of Murphy's laws?
.  Of course one must realize as an afterthought, that instead of debating, insurance agents, turn Murphy on his head, and turn Murphy into profit. Truly smart folks, some of those capitalist guys.


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27078037 - 12/08/20 12:27 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe the idea is if you don't plan for everything then something will go wrong?




Or, even if you believe you've planned for everything, unexpected events will likely occur.


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #27078044 - 12/08/20 12:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So a plan is a loose projection then?

Can we call that slack>?

And analyze via math to the correct nature of its square root..[66] 556

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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27078050 - 12/08/20 12:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'd say a plan is an attempt to fulfil a particular desire.

Of course when we don't get what we want, we call it "wrong".


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