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Types of trips: the 5 levels vs a “Bad” trip, where do they overlap?
    #27076143 - 12/06/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Shroomery

Hello,

I’ve never been on a forum or blog before but need some help. I hope no one gets offended  by sharing I’ve avoided them because it looks  like  a lot of the answers meander and don’t even address the question.  With that in mind, could you take the time to make sure your reply is relevant ,  I’d really appreciate it.

MY GOAL:  use psilocybin to treat OCD. I Qualified for the FDA clinical trial in AZ testing this, but dropped out because I was afraid to give up the micro dosing that was already helping (been doing it little over 2 years). So, while continuing the microdosing I do mid to higher doses on my own, (1 - 2.5 grams)

QUESTION #1
I’m wanting to know how to influence the type of trip/ journey I can have??

I understand about setting & setting and  put a lot of effort into this. Ive also read about the five levels of trips, all of which describe The colorful geometric visuals, Synesthesia etc  type of  experience. Im having emotional trips to the past to the worst times in my life. I know this is the typical “bad trip” but  also know all trips are ultimately beneficial giving us what we need. .... BUT!!!!  to treat for severe OCD  3 - 5 mg doses have to be taken. There’s no fucking way I’m doing that when I’m already having these horrible trips at 1 -2.5 grams. I weight 135lbs.

QUESTION 2:  where the hell do these processing trauma trips  fit into the five levels?

I only found one description of the levels that included “flashbacks”, ... I think it was the third level.

Anyway, I’m hoping it’s NOT  like this: you either have a good trip or bad trip. And only in the good trips you get all the cool colorful fun experiences???


Edited by Purple Panda 22 (12/06/20 08:59 PM)


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Re: Types of trips: the 5 levels vs a “Bad” trip, where do they overlap? [Re: Purple Panda 22]
    #27076179 - 12/06/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I feel like there is a difference between a bad trip and a difficult trip. A difficult trip may bring up anxiety or intense feelings. A bad trip could be like having a psychotic break and ending up at the hospital or something. I've never had that happen to me personally and I've taken some very substantial doses.  I find that low doses, less than 3g can cause me more anxiety than a high dose 4g+. Seems like I'm more coherent to fight the trip in low doses rather than submit to the experience. Everybody's different though. I find that I have much more profound experiences in the higher doses. I've done a handful of trips in the 5g+ range and have found those to be very rewarding.

I had some clinical anxiety, depression, substance abuse, and was diagnosed with avoidant personality at one point. I absolutely believe that psychedelics have helped me, as I no longer take any prescription medication and am living a successful life. Good career, girlfriend, homeowner and started a real estate gig on the side. All things I didn't have 4 years ago. Hope you find whatever it is you are looking for.


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Re: Types of trips: the 5 levels vs a “Bad” trip, where do they overlap? [Re: Rise against]
    #27076206 - 12/06/20 09:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I second what the user above said in that "you gotta jump in deep" to work on personal deep-rooted issues.

From a positive trip in the low doses, you could find new ways to appreciate natural beauty both visually and aurally. You could have deep conversations with friends about topics you wouldn't touch without feeling ashamed or guilty.

But I don't think low doses could bring to light discernible subconscious issues so that you can identify and work on them. I believe a larger dose would be more useful, and by virtue of being more immersive in nature, such doses are sometimes even easier to navigate.

Take this with a grain of salt, for we can't be sure if your set and setting is indeed appropriate. I hope you find what you're looking for!


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Re: Types of trips: the 5 levels vs a “Bad” trip, where do they overlap? [Re: jomanda1990]
    #27076213 - 12/06/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I don’t really know what to say,  I feel like you guys didn’t quite get my question, but thanks


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Re: Types of trips: the 5 levels vs a “Bad” trip, where do they overlap? [Re: Purple Panda 22]
    #27076216 - 12/06/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It seems like you are reluctant to temporarily give up microdosing. Imo that can be good for managing symptoms but it's not going to create new ways of thinking that you many get from a profound experience. There is a reason why they recommend a higher dose in clinical setting. If you don't feel comfortable going that route you don't have to, but it might be worth looking into a higher dose.


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Re: Types of trips: the 5 levels vs a “Bad” trip, where do they overlap? [Re: Rise against]
    #27076224 - 12/06/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

But if you are asking if a level 5 overlaps with a bad trip, I would say no. My level 5 trips have been my most spiritual and profound experiences. I have not had a bad trip solely based on dose alone. My largest dose was 20-25g and while that is completely excessive, I made it through. It was difficult at times but I had a smaller dose that caused much more discomfort because I was not in a good place to trip.  Set and setting is key.


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Re: Types of trips: the 5 levels vs a “Bad” trip, where do they overlap? [Re: Purple Panda 22] * 3
    #27076244 - 12/06/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

A lot of optimism for using psychedelics to treat mental illness comes from legit studies done at universities where a licensed psychology dude will walk somebody through a trip in a beautifully set up room with a bathroom, activities if they get restless or feel creative, a perfectly curated playlist filled with instrumentals for the comeup/peak and classic feel good stuff for the comedown, and of course the joy of a completely uninterrupted and safe (IE no getting the police involved or wandering around or feeling like you could be in danger) trip.

Compare that to how a lot of people probably trip for fun and you can maybe see why the studies don't seem to address 'bad trips'. 'Bad trips' are really only bad if you take way too much or if you have to suffer it out with the wrong people. The worst that really happens to tripping people is just sitting in a corner wishing it was over for what feels like a long time, but is really just an hour or so. More often than not people will 'snap out of it' if there's an experienced user to help out.

Since we don't always have access to that ideal, medical style trip, I've found most experienced users here set up an environment very similar to that within their own homes. I recommend not getting too worked up about the details, but really planning ahead and doing everything you can to make sure it's just going to be you and your mind, and a few planned out, at-your-own-pace style activities if you get restless. So clean bed, good temperature in the place, an option for silence/darkness as well as calm music you like, and maybe journaling in the days beforehand trying to process any anxiety or trauma you think will come up.

As far as traumatic trips on the 5 level scale, I would say the higher up you go on the level scale the less 'you' there is to really access where you're at and what's going on. I find that when I'm thinking stuff like 'bad trip/good trip/levels' while tripping, I'm probably not tripping the fuck out. When I have a truly mind altering experience, I have a hard time thinking in terms of good, bad, yellow, orange, beautiful, ugly. Everything just starts to melt together more or less and my thoughts are very bizarre and meaningless. These kind of trips fuck me up because they leave me very confused about the true nature of the universe, and usually don't have anything to do with my own memories or past or problems. That's when you are reintroduced to the source and see swirling twisted messes when you close your eyes and start to have delusions. But that's like the 5+ gram range (of medium/low strength cubes) and the 200+ range on LSD. But I'm also pretty sure that even those trips would be way less bizarre if you had someone helping you out and keeping you grounded.

Good trips to me are the ones where you remain grounded and feel serious but also calm and at peace. You slowly learn what the drug is doing to you throughout the trip and have hard thoughts for the first couple hours, but once you learn to ride the wave you have a blast and are rewarded with a renewed perspective at life. Then usually during the comedown I sit in silence for a while and ruminate on how my life is going and try to see my problems in a clearer light. Those are the trips I learn the most from, and although they can feel bad sometimes they are pretty easy to steer because of the dosage (probably like what you took but maybe a little more), and usually you 'get what you need' rather than what you want. IMO the really bad trips are when people take too much or regret taking the mushroom as soon as they finish swallowing them, which guarantees a long ride. But preparing like I mentioned makes the decision of swallowing the mushroom a much more intentional and somber one.


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Re: Types of trips: the 5 levels vs a “Bad” trip, where do they overlap? [Re: jdawg333]
    #27076923 - 12/07/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Iv never had a bad tripp but i witnessed one about 7 years ago. Long story short he was cocky an ended up taking more than we recommend to take his first time.

Well once the mushrooms start kicking in he starts wigging out like saying how the room keeps getting bigger an bigger an then closing in on him. He was panicking an sweating i felt bad for him. Me an his sisster an her bf ended up getting him to calm down an started he started to enjoy it.

My personal difficult tripp was when i black out on mushrooms an woke back up an forgetting i was tripping an every one had 3rd eye ball in the middle of there for head. They go are you okay man as i look up an that center eye blinked with there normal eyes i was like wow wtf. It took me 10 mins to get back together an stopping my self from freaking out.


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Re: Types of trips: the 5 levels vs a “Bad” trip, where do they overlap? [Re: Mach z 800]
    #27076936 - 12/07/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Put (even) more work into set, setting, and intention for your present trips. THEN once those are smoother, titrate your doses up to the level that offers the relief you need.

Please don't expect this to sudden or even quick. This is work as it takes time to figure out the formula that works for you.


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Re: Types of trips: the 5 levels vs a “Bad” trip, where do they overlap? [Re: Purple Panda 22] * 3
    #27077119 - 12/07/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Purple Panda 22 said:
Shroomery

Hello,

I’ve never been on a forum or blog before but need some help. I hope no one gets offended  by sharing I’ve avoided them because it looks  like  a lot of the answers meander and don’t even address the question.  With that in mind, could you take the time to make sure your reply is relevant ,  I’d really appreciate it.

MY GOAL:  use psilocybin to treat OCD. I Qualified for the FDA clinical trial in AZ testing this, but dropped out because I was afraid to give up the micro dosing that was already helping (been doing it little over 2 years). So, while continuing the microdosing I do mid to higher doses on my own, (1 - 2.5 grams)

QUESTION #1
I’m wanting to know how to influence the type of trip/ journey I can have??

I understand about setting & setting and  put a lot of effort into this. Ive also read about the five levels of trips, all of which describe The colorful geometric visuals, Synesthesia etc  type of  experience. Im having emotional trips to the past to the worst times in my life. I know this is the typical “bad trip” but  also know all trips are ultimately beneficial giving us what we need. .... BUT!!!!  to treat for severe OCD  3 - 5 mg doses have to be taken. There’s no fucking way I’m doing that when I’m already having these horrible trips at 1 -2.5 grams. I weight 135lbs.

QUESTION 2:  where the hell do these processing trauma trips  fit into the five levels?

I only found one description of the levels that included “flashbacks”, ... I think it was the third level.

Anyway, I’m hoping it’s NOT  like this: you either have a good trip or bad trip. And only in the good trips you get all the cool colorful fun experiences???




First, forget about the "levels".  This is mostly meaningless, as the same amount of the same mushrooms can precipitate anything from "say that's nice" to "OMG I'M DEAD!" in the same person, at different times.  And forget (provisionally) about "bad trips".  If you fixate on that that's what you'll experience.

You WILL have emotional trips to the "worst times in my life".  That's just how it works.  It's most definitely not a "bad trip".  A true bad trip is some kind of internal eternal hell that you pray to the goddess not to experience.  Emotional catharsis just clears out the crap in your mind, it doesn't break it.

Your effective dosage ALSO VARIES with the preparation and particular grow characteristics of the mushrooms (assuming it's not all synthetic), AND with your personal tolerance, which can play a large role.  Experiment with a homogenous dosage (powder a lot of mushrooms if multispore grow and mix well).  Find what works for you first, then increase it slowly until you start to experience the results you're looking for.  Expect to trip many times at this dosage for best effect. 

Good luck!  :cookiemonster:


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Re: Types of trips: the 5 levels vs a “Bad” trip, where do they overlap? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27077153 - 12/07/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I've noticed when I try to "push" my experience into a specific direction, it doesn't work. High dosage trips(5+g shrooms, over 300ug LSD) are my introspective, alone trips that I end up losing myself(ego) and sometimes have a breakthrough. But when I try to force myself to have a certain experience or try to figure something out, it doesn't happen.

Set and setting. And let go.

If micro dosing is working for you, do that. I guess I'm not totally sure what you're looking for. But the experience will happen when the universe wants it to happen. That's how it's always worked for me.


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Re: Types of trips: the 5 levels vs a “Bad” trip, where do they overlap? [Re: Smoo]
    #27078012 - 12/07/20 11:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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jdawg333 said:
A lot of optimism for using psychedelics to treat mental illness comes from legit studies done at universities where a licensed psychology dude will walk somebody through a trip in a beautifully set up room with a bathroom, activities if they get restless or feel creative, a perfectly curated playlist filled with instrumentals for the comeup/peak and classic feel good stuff for the comedown, and of course the joy of a completely uninterrupted and safe (IE no getting the police involved or wandering around or feeling like you could be in danger) trip.

Compare that to how a lot of people probably trip for fun and you can maybe see why the studies don't seem to address 'bad trips'. 'Bad trips' are really only bad if you take way too much or if you have to suffer it out with the wrong people. The worst that really happens to tripping people is just sitting in a corner wishing it was over for what feels like a long time, but is really just an hour or so. More often than not people will 'snap out of it' if there's an experienced user to help out.

Since we don't always have access to that ideal, medical style trip, I've found most experienced users here set up an environment very similar to that within their own homes. I recommend not getting too worked up about the details, but really planning ahead and doing everything you can to make sure it's just going to be you and your mind, and a few planned out, at-your-own-pace style activities if you get restless. So clean bed, good temperature in the place, an option for silence/darkness as well as calm music you like, and maybe journaling in the days beforehand trying to process any anxiety or trauma you think will come up.




This is it right here.


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Re: Types of trips: the 5 levels vs a “Bad” trip, where do they overlap? [Re: Smoo]
    #27078087 - 12/08/20 01:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

In the Johns Hopkins “mystical experience psilocybin studies”, participants were given double blind high dose, medium dose, and placebo. In the weeeks leading up to each trial, the participants sat with counsellors and guides and discussed all things mystical and what they were likely to experience. The vast majority had mystical type experiences.

You can imprint ideas into your set in the weeks leading up to a trip, and more likely than not, your trip will be guided in that direction.

It is possible. Just don’t expect it to work reliably every time.

Good luck
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Re: Types of trips: the 5 levels vs a “Bad” trip, where do they overlap? [Re: Purple Panda 22]
    #27078189 - 12/08/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Purple Panda 22 said:
Shroomery

Hello,

I’ve never been on a forum or blog before but need some help. I hope no one gets offended  by sharing I’ve avoided them because it looks  like  a lot of the answers meander and don’t even address the question.  With that in mind, could you take the time to make sure your reply is relevant ,  I’d really appreciate it.

MY GOAL:  use psilocybin to treat OCD. I Qualified for the FDA clinical trial in AZ testing this, but dropped out because I was afraid to give up the micro dosing that was already helping (been doing it little over 2 years). So, while continuing the microdosing I do mid to higher doses on my own, (1 - 2.5 grams)

QUESTION #1
I’m wanting to know how to influence the type of trip/ journey I can have??

I understand about setting & setting and  put a lot of effort into this. Ive also read about the five levels of trips, all of which describe The colorful geometric visuals, Synesthesia etc  type of  experience. Im having emotional trips to the past to the worst times in my life. I know this is the typical “bad trip” but  also know all trips are ultimately beneficial giving us what we need. .... BUT!!!!  to treat for severe OCD  3 - 5 mg doses have to be taken. There’s no fucking way I’m doing that when I’m already having these horrible trips at 1 -2.5 grams. I weight 135lbs.

QUESTION 2:  where the hell do these processing trauma trips  fit into the five levels?

I only found one description of the levels that included “flashbacks”, ... I think it was the third level.

Anyway, I’m hoping it’s NOT  like this: you either have a good trip or bad trip. And only in the good trips you get all the cool colorful fun experiences???





A bad trip depends on a lot of different factors. A person can have a bad trip due to taking a dose large enough to manifest his subconcious (and not liking what he sees) or because he was in a bad setting with 'bad' people. It can occur by getting too fixated on having a good trip, or trying too desperately to avoid a bad one.

But it can also happen because the user accepts that difficult issues will come up and he therefore purposefully sets out to face and deal with them. In my later psychedelic career my trips were invariably bad/good, and beyond good and evil.

I only had a few really bad trips after learning how to surrender to the experience in this manner usually when I became too confident (lazy) of my own ability to control it! 

There will be no therapeutic benefits or healing if the experience is just pure bliss and goodness! The therapy and healing comes from all the hard work, and it is often as grim as it is fantastic! The idea that people who use psychedelics are all having purely 'good' experiences is such a fallacy in my opinion.

A large dose of acid will be wonderful, but it will also be very challenging! The psychedelic experience wouldn't be as incredible as it is where that not the case!   

Belief in (conscious or unconscious) and expectation of either a 'good' or 'bad' time can increase the likelihood of experiencing either but at the end of the day if you are not willing to deal with and accept the negative aspects of the experience, then I would not recommend using them, especially if it is healing you are after.

There is always the possibility of plain sailing but generally speaking the experience is akin to a stormy ocean with waves moving continuously up (good) and down (bad). An experienced sailor will know how to navigate back towards safe waters even in adverse or stormy weather conditions but those who do not respect the ocean (or no experience sailing) can end up shipwrecked!

But I honestly think looking back at an especially horrendous experience when I was younger, that I ignored all the warning signs. Sometimes if you are at risk of a truly bad experience, on some level you will probably already know.


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Re: Types of trips: the 5 levels vs a “Bad” trip, where do they overlap? [Re: wolf8312] * 3
    #27078216 - 12/08/20 05:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You're seriously overthinking this shit OP.

Eat the mushroom, surrender. That's really all there is to it.

If you are having consistently bad experiences it's because you are fighting/trying to control it.

Or if could be that psychedelics are just not for you man. They really are not a magic bullet.


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Re: Types of trips: the 5 levels vs a “Bad” trip, where do they overlap? [Re: Purple Panda 22]
    #27078249 - 12/08/20 06:37 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Purple Panda 22 said:
Shroomery

Hello,

I’ve never been on a forum or blog before but need some help. I hope no one gets offended  by sharing I’ve avoided them because it looks  like  a lot of the answers meander and don’t even address the question.  With that in mind, could you take the time to make sure your reply is relevant ,  I’d really appreciate it.

MY GOAL:  use psilocybin to treat OCD. I Qualified for the FDA clinical trial in AZ testing this, but dropped out because I was afraid to give up the micro dosing that was already helping (been doing it little over 2 years). So, while continuing the microdosing I do mid to higher doses on my own, (1 - 2.5 grams)

QUESTION #1
I’m wanting to know how to influence the type of trip/ journey I can have??

I understand about setting & setting and  put a lot of effort into this. Ive also read about the five levels of trips, all of which describe The colorful geometric visuals, Synesthesia etc  type of  experience. Im having emotional trips to the past to the worst times in my life. I know this is the typical “bad trip” but  also know all trips are ultimately beneficial giving us what we need. .... BUT!!!!  to treat for severe OCD  3 - 5 mg doses have to be taken. There’s no fucking way I’m doing that when I’m already having these horrible trips at 1 -2.5 grams. I weight 135lbs.

QUESTION 2:  where the hell do these processing trauma trips  fit into the five levels?

I only found one description of the levels that included “flashbacks”, ... I think it was the third level.

Anyway, I’m hoping it’s NOT  like this: you either have a good trip or bad trip. And only in the good trips you get all the cool colorful fun experiences???





#1: decorate and designate a "tripping spot" that you can spend the duration of the trip in, consider it your home base. Decorate it with inviting and natural objects. You cannot really influence a trip once until you have done it successfully "by the book" a couple times without a sitter. But...I would recommend finding someone IRL that could trip with you and can be the go to person...I don't have deliberate, powerful/intense trips until I can gauge the strength, my tolerance, and what I am thinking beforehand (this could involve months, possibly years of unconscious memory that might arise during the trip). If you wish to confront this stuff, it can manifest as almost anything during the trip, but oftentimes for me I associate the visuals with sort of "solving" each issue I am dealing with by deeply meditating and holding each thought I want to let go, for a little bit, then let go, go onto the next one, and then once I am done with that, that's usually when I am peaking so I meditate and concentrate on being nothing and everything at the same time.

Once I am coming down a bit or getting used to the peak, i throw on some trip friendly movies.

I also get out sketchpad, writing pad, etc., during my trips.

When I do a healing trip I always do it with LSD because the clearness of each thought and I can time out each "session" perfectly. Again, you can only really do this after a few solo trips under your belt

It is not something anyone can show you before you do it. I encourage you to read Erowid trip reports, the trip reports here, PsychonautWiki, those are good starters. I also researched all of LSD's effects before I took it. It still blew my mind.

As for your second question, there is no easy answer. Some people cope and confront their trauma on heroic or heavy doses, some do it on light doses. Tripping correctly can be done by anyone once they find themselves.

A trip can become good or bad with a very simple interruption of the trip. Just go through the motions of enjoying yourself and don't fight the flow of the experience. That just makes the trip unpleasant. Dwelling on issues is difficult and makes trips not fun...but you will need to confront your trauma during a trip if you want to heal/patch up said trauma. You're not going to dwell on it, just casually approach it and deal with and process any emotions that come up. I really recommend meditation afterwards, then you can incorporate a cleansing ritual like, take a nice bath, then once you have processed your trauma, proceed onward with the trip and just enjoy the rest of it

I would recommend using LSD. It's a lot easier to predict and work on yourself than psilocybin, in my opinion.

Finally, give "The Psychedelic Explorer's Guide" a good read before your trip

Good vibes and good luck!

Final edit: LSD is more effective at treating OCD according to maps. But, OCD is essentially tripping out without actually tripping. I have it too, and it's bad. You'll have to make trips force themselves to make you not focus on compulsions or obsessions. Like I said before, meditate, hold each one in your mind for a little bit and then go onto the next one.


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Re: Types of trips: the 5 levels vs a “Bad” trip, where do they overlap? [Re: Purple Panda 22]
    #27081675 - 12/10/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think that the  literature on 5 levels is full of confusion.

known effects that intensify with dosage should be re-examined, however, if you are finding low doses functional or interesting stay with that.

scientists and clinicians are at the beginning of their journey and it will be a slow one. your journey has already begun and low doses are empowering you to find your own way to accepting who you are, and living a better life.


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Re: Types of trips: the 5 levels vs a “Bad” trip, where do they overlap? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27081700 - 12/10/20 07:48 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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First, forget about the "levels".




This.
The levels description would need a real update.
From what I understand, the right dose for benefits starts at 2g ->
For a "virgin" that would be a good place to start because it is plenty intense the first time. It's all so new. Your consciousness expands in your brain and shit starts to pop up that is not ordinary

as to the method, you don't really aim to have a certain trip. Drop your useless expectations and be yourself (and meet your Self)


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Re: Types of trips: the 5 levels vs a “Bad” trip, where do they overlap? [Re: skOsH]
    #27081710 - 12/10/20 07:57 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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#1: decorate and designate a "tripping spot" that you can spend the duration of the trip in, consider it your home base. Decorate it with inviting and natural objects. You cannot really influence a trip once until you have done it successfully "by the book" a couple times without a sitter. But...I would recommend finding someone IRL that could trip with you and can be the go to person...I don't have deliberate, powerful/intense trips until I can gauge the strength, my tolerance, and what I am thinking beforehand (this could involve months, possibly years of unconscious memory that might arise during the trip). If you wish to confront this stuff, it can manifest as almost anything during the trip, but oftentimes for me I associate the visuals with sort of "solving" each issue I am dealing with by deeply meditating and holding each thought I want to let go, for a little bit, then let go, go onto the next one, and then once I am done with that, that's usually when I am peaking so I meditate and concentrate on being nothing and everything at the same time.

Once I am coming down a bit or getting used to the peak, i throw on some trip friendly movies.

I also get out sketchpad, writing pad, etc., during my trips.

When I do a healing trip I always do it with LSD because the clearness of each thought and I can time out each "session" perfectly. Again, you can only really do this after a few solo trips under your belt

It is not something anyone can show you before you do it. I encourage you to read Erowid trip reports, the trip reports here, PsychonautWiki, those are good starters. I also researched all of LSD's effects before I took it. It still blew my mind.

As for your second question, there is no easy answer. Some people cope and confront their trauma on heroic or heavy doses, some do it on light doses. Tripping correctly can be done by anyone once they find themselves.

A trip can become good or bad with a very simple interruption of the trip. Just go through the motions of enjoying yourself and don't fight the flow of the experience. That just makes the trip unpleasant. Dwelling on issues is difficult and makes trips not fun...but you will need to confront your trauma during a trip if you want to heal/patch up said trauma. You're not going to dwell on it, just casually approach it and deal with and process any emotions that come up. I really recommend meditation afterwards, then you can incorporate a cleansing ritual like, take a nice bath, then once you have processed your trauma, proceed onward with the trip and just enjoy the rest of it

I would recommend using LSD. It's a lot easier to predict and work on yourself than psilocybin, in my opinion.

Finally, give "The Psychedelic Explorer's Guide" a good read before your trip

Good vibes and good luck!

Final edit: LSD is more effective at treating OCD according to maps. But, OCD is essentially tripping out without actually tripping. I have it too, and it's bad. You'll have to make trips force themselves to make you not focus on compulsions or obsessions. Like I said before, meditate, hold each one in your mind for a little bit and then go onto the next one.



Lots of unnecessary stuff here for the first time trip imo. Northerner is right imo. You will be absolutely fine with everything on the right dose and alone in your home.

I don't recommend LSD for the first time because it's so intense. It might also give an unrealistically euphoric psychedelic experience, and then again the risk of being stuck in a bad place is bigger because of the 2x duration.
Mushrooms is really where it's at for healing purposes imo. Mescaline might be even better though.


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Re: Types of trips: the 5 levels vs a “Bad” trip, where do they overlap? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27081867 - 12/10/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

that is also part of my path
it is very good
it took me 10 years
it is good parts of a path
I recommend doing good anyway no matter what path you are on
a description of an essence would be reading bhante gunaratana meditating yoga reading excercising or that is one way to do good haha


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