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RJ Tubs 202



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As a bit of an aside, in terms of American society, I would say the best people all around are probably the science and math community. They are the smartest, and from my experience, most essentially decent and balanced sort of people. I would add that there are very, very few rich and famous physicists and mathematicians.
I've re-read some posts on this thread a couple of times. Various things I find of interest. I know I've pulled this out of the bigger post, but I'm puzzled and unsure of your point. The best people work in math and science? . . . "decent and balanced sort of people"?
They are the smartest and best, in my experience. They do not tend to engage in manipulation and the sorts of behaviors that enable, say, billionaires to climb to positions of power over others. And they are excellent, competent, often quite compassionate, and clear thinking. Compared to many other coherent groups one could name, I find them superior. This has been my personal experience.
That they are not in the position of billionaires indicates to me that both social Darwinism and meritocracy are not present.
Is Darwinian success always related to financial success?
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redgreenvines
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no, but money has a life of it's own, it's parasitic: the host always dies - then the money goes into family members. after they are infected they do stupid things but feel justified.
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Pinkerton
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Orgy told me some sort of 'person' (whoever that may be?) will become the richest 'person' on planet Earf.
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mycot
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Re: Social Darwinism [Re: Pinkerton]
#27076937 - 12/07/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, because in today's world, money represents ( as Robert Anton Wilson points out) survival tickets.
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DividedQuantum
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RJ Tubs 202 said: Is Darwinian success always related to financial success?
Well money is a relatively new human phenomenon, so I would say it's related more to cultural evolution than biological evolution. Of course, it is widely accepted that to some extent the rules of Darwinism apply to both, but not always exactly or directly.
I would say that the ability to make money probably has nothing to do with success at surviving in the natural world. Conversely, most hunter-gatherers would not make very good stock brokers. Whether we can say that the super-rich have objective personal advantages over others is the subject of this thread, but I think overall doubt has been cast upon the notion. I guess it depends on what can be said for "success," but that is a whole different topic.
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mycot
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The super-rich operate in a niche. They are good Monopoly players, Who have managed to rob the tribe of it's wealth. Makes any ordinary criminal look petty.
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redgreenvines
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Re: Social Darwinism [Re: mycot]
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RJ Tubs 202 said: Is Darwinian success always related to financial success?
Well money is a relatively new human phenomenon, so I would say it's related more to cultural evolution than biological evolution. Of course, it is widely accepted that to some extent the rules of Darwinism apply to both, but not always exactly or directly.
I would say that the ability to make money probably has nothing to do with success at surviving in the natural world. Conversely, most hunter-gatherers would not make very good stock brokers. Whether we can say that the super-rich have objective personal advantages over others is the subject of this thread, but I think overall doubt has been cast upon the notion. I guess it depends on what can be said for "success," but that is a whole different topic.
. Indeed part of the joy experienced, by parents, at the birth of their child, is actually (unconscious?) relief at not seeing a hairlip or other random disfigurement. . But some anxiety continues for years as to how the genetic lottery, will play out with each child. Women's instinct seems to largely propel reproduction, in spite of 'birth control'. Otherwise reason and caution, in societies that criminalize euthanasia, would probably slow down, the (absurd?) need to fill the world with more progeny, now that they're not needed on the family farm anymore. . So yes evolution, now both Darwinian & epigenetic, are at play long term, observably at the population level; but individually chance also plays a merciless game.
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Re: Social Darwinism [Re: mycot]
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mycot said: The super-rich operate in a niche. They are good Monopoly players, Who have managed to rob the tribe of it's wealth. Makes any ordinary criminal look petty.
The worst is when these groups control governments, and divide populations against one another/misappropriate whom the true string-pullers are.
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redgreenvines said: mafias
I'd argue cartels in this instance, especially in reference to the above user's quote.
I will also make the unpopular opinion that money is a reflection of he/she whom possesses it and has a taste of unchecked power (at least for purchasing, which our consumerist society is founded upon) for a moment or two.
Those that have a hard time managing their own willpower, will then also usually project that same shortcoming onto others and vilify them in the process.
We are what we resist!
Money is the biggest symbol, and lesson, for many IMHO.
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So social Darwinism is communication between different people.
Sharing ideas and establishing or reestablishing culture..
Through habit and novelty..
Order and chaos.. necesarily the most brightest and great..
Lemonosa of the hitchhikers state.
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