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Tripping to help depression etc?
    #27077139 - 12/07/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I plan on taking shrooms sometime soon, mainly to help with my SAD. Last year I took LSD about every 4 months and I just recently became aware of just how significant the lasting affects were for me. I rarely felt depressed at all and if I did fall into a slump I quickly climbed out of it. This year I took 50mg of 4-aco-dmt (without knowing that the dose was that high because my friend did not properly measure it) and it was probably the scariest/most humbling trip that I have experienced but I wouldnt say that it helped with the depresso. So I am hoping that when I take the shrooms that I just grew with some pals, maybe it will help me feel slightly better :-) I wanted to hear other peoples experiences with psychedelics and depression or other mental health problems, and how often do you feel like you have to take psychedelics? Tbh when I first took LSD I thought that it would cure me but apparently that isnt so lmao which is a-ok, its just weird that my brain reverts back to its old ways even when I dont want it to lol.


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Re: Tripping to help depression etc? [Re: MuckPeddler]
    #27077986 - 12/07/20 11:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

That is what I came here for.  I am 50 and battled major dep disorder since I was 13, I have never had a break from it.  I did try acid in my early 20s, I wasn't sure how I would do since im always depressed, it was euphoric and I remember the dep subsided for awhile.    Ive started reading about shrooms helping with just 1 dose.    The depression has really killed me over the years, no friends, no girlfriends, I just have to keep my life simple. I have been on and off meds my whole life and they are not effective. I have considered ECT but not covered by insurance.

I hear don't take it alone, I really have no choice, but I know it will be different from acid. 

So tonight trying to figure out how to get it, what kind of dose and as much research as I possible can, this forum looks great for info.

I wish you the best, I would never ever wish depression on my worst enemy.


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Re: Tripping to help depression etc? [Re: Droog549] * 7
    #27078599 - 12/08/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

There are two general ways of utilizing mushrooms for treatment in depression

1) Large Dose (presumably 3g+ of average strength cubes)
This way has been studied during the 50s and early 60s by the likes of Stanislav Grof, James Fadiman and many others. And it has had recent studies performed by Roland Griffiths from John Hopkins University.

The earlier studies focused on addiction (mainly alcohol and tobacco). But there was a lot of "underground" studies performed by these same early pioneers focused on everything from sparking creativity to treating depression. Roland Griffiths (2016) focused on depression and anxiety in cancer patients.
(see link : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5367557/)

The conclusion that was reached back in the 50s and with Griffiths study as well, was that the degree to which one had a "mystical experience" on mushrooms correlated to the degree to which their depression/anxiety/addiction improved.

Basically: The more "mystical" the trip, the better and longer lasting relief from the problem looking to be amended.

And many users, myself included, stand by the power of the heavier doses to significantly improve our symptoms or mental illness and/or anguish.

However, from my experience, these doses require proper integration. Furthermore, they are not a cure all. Although they may fill us with unbelievable euphoria that can carry for some days after, and make us feel as if this effect is the primary mechanism to reduce our depression/anxiety/etc, the true power is in its ability to rearrange our perception enough for us to make the necessary changes within our lives in the following days/years/decades etc.

They won't cure depression. But perhaps they will open up a space where you can work on yourself to treat your depression. By doing so they may motivate you to do things you've been putting off, give your perception a boost to increase your confidence, or give you the gratitude required to stave off nihilism.

Without the work (integration, personal reflection and action) they are like any other tool used incorrectly. (Not to say that the only use of mushrooms is treatment of mental issues/anguish. But if you intend to use it for that purpose, you need to put the effort in outside of the psychedelic space as well). Like building a house, the hammer is not enough. You need the architectural plans, permits, materials, labor etc.

2) Microdoses (sub-perceptual doses, usually 0.1-0.3g of cubes but can vary slightly based on individual, tolerance, etc).

These doses work like "maintenance" medicine. You take a very small dose, small enough not to feel any psychedelic effects, consistently and such a dose gives you a "boost" of some sort to get through your day in a more productive/positive light.

From what I hear, LSD is more effective for productive micro-dosing. I've never used LSD but I have micro-dosed mushrooms. My experience was that they do fill me with more love, gratitude and a sense of calm. But there were no "significant" changes. I had slightly better days but no "significant" changes. But, sometimes, that's all one needs. Something to help them manifest a better day.

My take:
From my experience, heavier doses (3g+ of non-PE cubes and 1.5g+ of PE/APEs assuming average potency), are more effective at helping the INDIVIDUAL to treat their issues. Those doses have a much higher potential for being difficult/frightening but can really open up the individual for personal work. But the individual MUST put the work in after. The experience itself won't "cure" anything and, if no integration/changes are made, the individual will usually return to their suffering once the "wonder" wears off. However, it also seems that that suffering is slightly diminished permanently, which I attribute as a consequence of such a drastic perceptual experience.

Micro-doses seemed better suited for temporary medical treatment. No incredible or significant changes or realizations but the peace of mind and expanded openness they provided daily was practical for emotional stability.

Note: Everything contained in this post is from my direct experience and/or research. This represents my views and not a statement of fact(s). Make sure to seek other sources and or opinions when forming your own ideas and understanding.


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Re: Tripping to help depression etc? [Re: MuckPeddler]
    #27098601 - 12/20/20 12:38 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

LSD and especially mushrooms are the reasons I'm off my antidepressants and anxiety meds, it's been I think 4 or 5 years now!  Of course I still ahve some challenging days, but overall, they helped changed my mindset and helped me to develop tools that I can use when feeling super down that I previously would have thought of but brushed off and made excuses for.  I will admit, because of how good I felt at first I did overdo it at first, but now I'm taking a trip every 3-5 months or so, usually doses 5-6 grams, but occasionally a small 1.5-2 gram trip!  It helps me kind of "reset" and I can deeply feel it when it's time to trip again.


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Re: Tripping to help depression etc? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27098856 - 12/20/20 07:19 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Socrateshroom said:
There are two general ways of utilizing mushrooms for treatment in depression

1) Large Dose (presumably 3g+ of average strength cubes)
This way has been studied during the 50s and early 60s by the likes of Stanislav Grof, James Fadiman and many others. And it has had recent studies performed by Roland Griffiths from John Hopkins University.

The earlier studies focused on addiction (mainly alcohol and tobacco). But there was a lot of "underground" studies performed by these same early pioneers focused on everything from sparking creativity to treating depression. Roland Griffiths (2016) focused on depression and anxiety in cancer patients.
(see link : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5367557/)

The conclusion that was reached back in the 50s and with Griffiths study as well, was that the degree to which one had a "mystical experience" on mushrooms correlated to the degree to which their depression/anxiety/addiction improved.

Basically: The more "mystical" the trip, the better and longer lasting relief from the problem looking to be amended.

And many users, myself included, stand by the power of the heavier doses to significantly improve our symptoms or mental illness and/or anguish.

However, from my experience, these doses require proper integration. Furthermore, they are not a cure all. Although they may fill us with unbelievable euphoria that can carry for some days after, and make us feel as if this effect is the primary mechanism to reduce our depression/anxiety/etc, the true power is in its ability to rearrange our perception enough for us to make the necessary changes within our lives in the following days/years/decades etc.

They won't cure depression. But perhaps they will open up a space where you can work on yourself to treat your depression. By doing so they may motivate you to do things you've been putting off, give your perception a boost to increase your confidence, or give you the gratitude required to stave off nihilism.

Without the work (integration, personal reflection and action) they are like any other tool used incorrectly. (Not to say that the only use of mushrooms is treatment of mental issues/anguish. But if you intend to use it for that purpose, you need to put the effort in outside of the psychedelic space as well). Like building a house, the hammer is not enough. You need the architectural plans, permits, materials, labor etc.

2) Microdoses (sub-perceptual doses, usually 0.1-0.3g of cubes but can vary slightly based on individual, tolerance, etc).

These doses work like "maintenance" medicine. You take a very small dose, small enough not to feel any psychedelic effects, consistently and such a dose gives you a "boost" of some sort to get through your day in a more productive/positive light.

From what I hear, LSD is more effective for productive micro-dosing. I've never used LSD but I have micro-dosed mushrooms. My experience was that they do fill me with more love, gratitude and a sense of calm. But there were no "significant" changes. I had slightly better days but no "significant" changes. But, sometimes, that's all one needs. Something to help them manifest a better day.

My take:
From my experience, heavier doses (3g+ of non-PE cubes and 1.5g+ of PE/APEs assuming average potency), are more effective at helping the INDIVIDUAL to treat their issues. Those doses have a much higher potential for being difficult/frightening but can really open up the individual for personal work. But the individual MUST put the work in after. The experience itself won't "cure" anything and, if no integration/changes are made, the individual will usually return to their suffering once the "wonder" wears off. However, it also seems that that suffering is slightly diminished permanently, which I attribute as a consequence of such a drastic perceptual experience.

Micro-doses seemed better suited for temporary medical treatment. No incredible or significant changes or realizations but the peace of mind and expanded openness they provided daily was practical for emotional stability.

Note: Everything contained in this post is from my direct experience and/or research. This represents my views and not a statement of fact(s). Make sure to seek other sources and or opinions when forming your own ideas and understanding.




Excellent post. I would add to the large dose section that preparation and work prior to the trip are important. iirc the JH sessions included sessions well ahead of the actual trip that were designed to 'lay the foundations' required to increase the chance of the desired experience. The sessions themselves were also very controlled and done in the presence of a trained person to help guide the voyager. I think with careful prep, and some warm up trips (lower doses to get you used to the effects of mushrooms) you can reduce the need for a trained sitter. I'm more than happy to be disagreed with so don't hold back if you think I'm wrong. I'm here to learn.


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Re: Tripping to help depression etc? [Re: coversall]
    #27134719 - 01/08/21 08:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

They saved my life. I didn't have many major revelations or anything, other then what I could have gotten via traditional therapy methods, but it absolutely killed the depression I've battled as long as I redose every 2-8 weeks. It's an amazing antidepressant, at least in my case.


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Re: Tripping to help depression etc? [Re: MuckPeddler] * 2
    #27251183 - 03/13/21 11:20 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I also started on my mushroom journey to help combat feelings of depression and hopelessness.

I take occasional low doses (too big to be micro, about 0.3 to 0.5 g dry) and have taken two larger doses so far. The first was 8 g and the second was 9.5 g.

After the first big dose, I would say I had some lessening of my symptoms but would still get down sometimes. I do think it helped me to finally be happier with myself as I am, and not worry so much about whether I'm doing the "acceptable" thing as dictated by society. This led me to realize that I hated my job, quit it, and embark on an educational journey to start a new career. It took a while, but I considered this to be an important step towards better mental health because my job contributed to my unhappiness significantly, and now I'm taking action to move past that.

I took my second big dose just before starting my educational journey, after quitting my job. My hope was to get myself in the best positive mindset to make the most of the opportunity. After this second high dose, I started dreaming and remembering it again, which is apparently something I had not been doing for some time. I find myself joyous for no reason now, which never happened before.

I'm leaning into this change, as it feels like I'm finally being my best self. I never imagined I could enjoy my day to day life this much. I definitely feel these experiences have changed my life for the better.


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Re: Tripping to help depression etc? [Re: the strander]
    #27251222 - 03/13/21 11:50 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Personally, mushrooms and psychadelics in general have treated me wonderfully in terms of my depressive symptoms. I have bipolar depression and after quitting Wellbutrin for a week (still on aripiprazole), I took 5 grams of blue meanies and had the time of my life. I went on a walk, played music, played games, made art, pet my dog, I even called my mom and we worked some stuff out between us; all these things that I usually found extremely difficult to do (when unmedicated), I was suddenly able to do during this trip. I was able to feel happy again. And ever since then, my outlook has changed for the better. I've tripped a lot since then, given, but I have a feeling psychadelics may benefit you in a similar way if you're able to find and create the tools it allowed me to create for healthy living.

Otherwise, DMT (N,N) was a very profound experience. That changed my outlook and perspective radically and I am forever different, except in one of the best ways possible. It's like the emotional afterglow of shrooms, but greater and longer for me. Be careful and only try what you're comfy with though, as ego death can be very very scary.

Happpy tripping :smile:


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Re: Tripping to help depression etc? [Re: HangmansHeart]
    #27251913 - 03/13/21 10:22 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Excellent post from @Socrateshroom.

My experience largely mirrors what he has said, great information and  integration is key.

For me personally, I did not notice any effects from micro dosing. I started with smaller doses and gradually worked my up to to 5+. I had two of those experiences and have since scaled it back a notch; 4ish seems to be a good balance for me. Everyone is different and unless your mushrooms are of consistent potency, there will be some variation and experimentation.

I am a huge advocate of trip sitters during high dose, introspective sessions. I've had more than one time where I would have been in trouble without one. A sitter should be someone who can hold the space for you, remain composed, and someone who you trust completely; maps.org also has some great information under their "resources" page.

My go to method is setting an intention, eyeshades, noise cancelling headphones and a curated mix/playlist, a sitter, and then integration. It's been a life changer for me


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Re: Tripping to help depression etc? [Re: Droog549] * 2
    #27254917 - 03/15/21 11:30 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Droog549 said:
That is what I came here for.  I am 50 and battled major dep disorder since I was 13, I have never had a break from it.  I did try acid in my early 20s, I wasn't sure how I would do since im always depressed, it was euphoric and I remember the dep subsided for awhile.    Ive started reading about shrooms helping with just 1 dose.   
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Been there, done that, have the tee shirt.  I fought depression for decades, and psilocybin has provided profound relief.  I still have episodes, but they are much shorter, much milder.

I recommend taking on growing your own.  The process is helpful for depression, as well. You can get them easily on the dark web if needed, but it's a pain.  Growing your own is therapeutic, and liberating. 

I find that a moderate to medium high dose, every 4 to 6 months is what I need.  Microdosing is good, but the clinical evidence is that 10 to 25 mg of psilocybin is what has the profound reset effect. That translate to somewhere between 1.25 to 3 grams of normal cubensis. About 70% of patients with treatment resistant depression find significant relief. 

I find that study of buddhist philosophy is useful in conjunction.  Buddhist thinking helps understand how to let the depressive thinking go, and psilocybin enables that process chemically.  This isn't just stoner thinking, multiple studies have now shown this.  Cognitive behavioral therapy, which is the gold standard for depression counseling, is essentially buddhist thinking dressed up in a shiny modern dress. 

I have been off traditional meds (prozac, effexor, celexa, etc.) for four years, and am happier than I have ever been in my life.  I urge you to continue this path.  Feel free to reach out with any questions.


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Re: Tripping to help depression etc? [Re: OldManRiver]
    #27259405 - 03/18/21 06:52 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

OldManRiver said:
Quote:

Droog549 said:
That is what I came here for.  I am 50 and battled major dep disorder since I was 13, I have never had a break from it.  I did try acid in my early 20s, I wasn't sure how I would do since im always depressed, it was euphoric and I remember the dep subsided for awhile.    Ive started reading about shrooms helping with just 1 dose.   
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Been there, done that, have the tee shirt.  I fought depression for decades, and psilocybin has provided profound relief.  I still have episodes, but they are much shorter, much milder.

I recommend taking on growing your own.  The process is helpful for depression, as well. You can get them easily on the dark web if needed, but it's a pain.  Growing your own is therapeutic, and liberating. 

I find that a moderate to medium high dose, every 4 to 6 months is what I need.  Microdosing is good, but the clinical evidence is that 10 to 25 mg of psilocybin is what has the profound reset effect. That translate to somewhere between 1.25 to 3 grams of normal cubensis. About 70% of patients with treatment resistant depression find significant relief. 

I find that study of buddhist philosophy is useful in conjunction.  Buddhist thinking helps understand how to let the depressive thinking go, and psilocybin enables that process chemically.  This isn't just stoner thinking, multiple studies have now shown this.  Cognitive behavioral therapy, which is the gold standard for depression counseling, is essentially buddhist thinking dressed up in a shiny modern dress. 

I have been off traditional meds (prozac, effexor, celexa, etc.) for four years, and am happier than I have ever been in my life.  I urge you to continue this path.  Feel free to reach out with any questions.




I'm 58 and severe clinical depression gutted more than 2 decades of my life. Went from a six figure income to not being able to pay the rent. It had gotten better, but the pandemic has put me back. I'm clean and dry for over 30 years and don't care if anyone has a problem with it. I just want to be able to enjoy every day i have left. Was microdosing but it had absolutely no effect. Waiting for person to have new batch, so I can try macrodosing. Here's hoping.


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Re: Tripping to help depression etc? [Re: MuckPeddler]
    #27950926 - 09/15/22 08:16 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

In many circumstances, psychedelics can significantly exacerbate mental health problems rather than being a magical panacea. Therapy tried with an ESA letter with a husky has shown great promise for treating many illnesses. Still, it requires a trained therapist, typically only available as part of a scientific study these days. You'd have a greater chance of finding ketamine-assisted therapy as most states allow for ketamine infusions. Everyone can probably agree that it's a hazardous move, I believe. Both success and more harm to your mental health are possible outcomes.


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Re: Tripping to help depression etc? [Re: Pardeevitchok]
    #27958841 - 09/20/22 10:58 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I recommend you take 50mg to 150mg doses of psilocybin to help with depression.  Usually recommend it taken in the morning, before or after breakfast.  3 days on, 1 or 2 days off and repeat.  It definitely works as "maintenance" medicine being such small doses. If you take a macro dose you will have a more intense experience for a longer period of time but it is also suppose to last a longer period of time before needing another dose.


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Re: Tripping to help depression etc? [Re: moodhealers]
    #27962086 - 09/22/22 08:02 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

i too have been using them to get off of meds and out of major depression. there's some great information and guidance in this post.

i agree and recommend as others have that you must put the work in prior to dosing larger doses. prep and prepare your intent. though a macro dose will have fireworks, i've been intrigued how the real benefits (for me anyway) come after, like within the days or weeks after. for me, my depression has subsided after about a 5 year battle out of a dark hell hole.

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Re: Tripping to help depression etc? [Re: OldManRiver]
    #28048156 - 11/13/22 04:28 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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OldManRiver said:
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Droog549 said:
That is what I came here for.  I am 50 and battled major dep disorder since I was 13, I have never had a break from it.  I did try acid in my early 20s, I wasn't sure how I would do since im always depressed, it was euphoric and I remember the dep subsided for awhile.    Ive started reading about shrooms helping with just 1 dose.   
...
 





Been there, done that, have the tee shirt.  I fought depression for decades, and psilocybin has provided profound relief.  I still have episodes, but they are much shorter, much milder.

I recommend taking on growing your own.  The process is helpful for depression, as well. You can get them easily on the dark web if needed, but it's a pain.  Growing your own is therapeutic, and liberating. 

I find that a moderate to medium high dose, every 4 to 6 months is what I need.  Microdosing is good, but the clinical evidence is that 10 to 25 mg of psilocybin is what has the profound reset effect. That translate to somewhere between 1.25 to 3 grams of normal cubensis. About 70% of patients with treatment resistant depression find significant relief. 

I find that study of buddhist philosophy is useful in conjunction.  Buddhist thinking helps understand how to let the depressive thinking go, and psilocybin enables that process chemically.  This isn't just stoner thinking, multiple studies have now shown this.  Cognitive behavioral therapy, which is the gold standard for depression counseling, is essentially buddhist thinking dressed up in a shiny modern dress. 

I have been off traditional meds (prozac, effexor, celexa, etc.) for four years, and am happier than I have ever been in my life.  I urge you to continue this path.  Feel free to reach out with any questions.




10-25 grams  over what period of time? 1.25 to 3grams how often?
I just finished growing my first flush and I’m ready to go in. Well, when I have some time between school and work :smile:

Also anyone have any rituals they do for intention setting?

Also, I’m afraid to do a big dose alone, but the one person I might want to do it with is not available. So someone in this thread suggested warming up to a big dose … I might try that.

Excited and scared.
The few times I’ve done it, I saw some terrifying things and haven’t been able to relax into it since.
The last time I took about 5 grams wet, and I went in prepared. Almost like I suited up for battle going into the experience and wailed on whatever it was that I saw.

I’m not sure if that was helpful. Anyone else have feedback on that?


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Re: Tripping to help depression etc? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #28048157 - 11/13/22 04:29 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Thank you for this


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Re: Tripping to help depression etc? [Re: MedicinalAndy]
    #28048827 - 11/13/22 01:23 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

That is very encouraging OldManRiver. I feel the same as the original post.  The point for me is that at 50, you can kinda expect things to be the same as they have always been for possibly another 40 years if you do nothing. Is anyone OK with that?  I am feeling better but I really need to try to grow some medicine.  I really liked your shiny dress analogy.


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Re: Tripping to help depression etc? [Re: Jim I.T.I]
    #28048836 - 11/13/22 01:30 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I don't know about mushrooms, but I do know about depression.  I really am happy for anyone who can escape the misery, even if it isn't perfect health.


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Re: Tripping to help depression etc? [Re: bessemer]
    #28071540 - 11/27/22 01:22 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Hello friends,

I'm also trying to relieve my (on/off) depression with mushrooms. I don't feel comfortable about tripping hard, but I'm going to try microdosing. Hopefully it helps in getting my life back. Last couple of years have been a very rough for me for various family reasons and I've burned my candle from both ends for far too long. I've got some GT spores from a reputable vendor and I'm now waiting for my first grain jar to colonize. Haven't used shrooms or any other "illegal" substances before.

LOL. I don't know why I even contributed to this thread.. For everyone suffering from depression/anxiety, hang in there! Life has more to offer, even if doesn't seem plausible right now! :hug:


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Re: Tripping to help depression etc? [Re: Capt. Ramius] * 1
    #28073173 - 11/28/22 02:42 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I am not a doctor.  I do read a lot of studies, so my information does come from as much research as I've been able to find.

In most clinical trials, the amount of psilocybin given in a single dose which has incredibly successful results against depression, is the heroic dose.  Microdosing has 0 clinical proof suggesting it's anything other than placebo.  It's unfortunate, but when it comes to depression, microdosing is not the answer as far as the science says, thus far.  Now to be clear, conditions like ADHD have ancedotally been said to improve via microdosing, and ADHD has symptoms which are anxiety and depression, so IF* microdosing treats ADHD, that can in effect help lower anxiety and depression in people with ADHD. 

So what's a heroic dose?  5gs is what is used clinically.  I'm not sure how many trials on lower doses have been ran, I'm basing this primarily off of what Matthew Johnson said on a recent Lex Friedmen podcast.  I'll link to where he says it.  Matthew Johnson is a psychedelic researcher at Johns Hopkins.



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