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Where to hide money ?
    #27076734 - 12/07/20 08:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So basically I have a lot of money in the bank, but I fucking hate banks.
I decided to redraw it all, and stash it somewhere around(in) my house. To be easily available, but also hidden from potential thiefs. Of course its paper money regular sized bills.
Safe is out of the question.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27076811 - 12/07/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Not all in one spot for starters. Otherwise, I dont know your house, sometimes there are ceiling panels or floor panels that can be removed, in furniture, classic thing is in a matress but really hard to tell since I dont know your house


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: polaritymind]
    #27076902 - 12/07/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Have fun when your house burns down. Put it on the blockchain or bury PMs in your yard.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: drliquidglitch]
    #27076980 - 12/07/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah put it on a blockchain to lose value, especially knowing my luck
What is pm (paper money?)

Good point on fire though


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: polaritymind]
    #27076987 - 12/07/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I live in a small house right next to a forest. I have outdoor bathroom with conected pipes. House is 40sq m, small kitchen connected to my bedroom-mainroom. 1 bed 1 couch 1 sofa 1 wardrobe and some pointless shit. I have lot of space outside, i own nearby land (50 acres)
I found a dog in the forest, saved him from starvation, and made him my son. Maybe i can hide money in his dog house


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist] * 1
    #27077063 - 12/07/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hide it in fake pipes that are underneath your house maybe? Idk, reduces fire hazard and I am pretty sure no one would even bother trying to find money there

The only issue is to keep workers away from it if you need work done on pipes. They will know the pipes are not part of the system, most likely, and might find the money and take it

If you want to hide random stuff, put them in a metal container that is put on top of a door (like built into the door with the wood cut out). The container might survive the fire

Also it's a difficult place to check. I always thought that was a good spot


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: skOsH] * 2
    #27077421 - 12/07/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hide that money in your mind


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27078158 - 12/08/20 04:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Can i hide it in my pussy ?


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27078178 - 12/08/20 04:41 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Of course


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27078193 - 12/08/20 04:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Invest it in multpile organizations that make life better. Keep some cash at home. Some in a different bank. Maybe consider having a jewelry collection. Create a Trust for someone who you want to help, regardless if they earned that Trust or not.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27078218 - 12/08/20 05:44 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Gold and platinum will survive a fire. Crypto you might need a hardware wallet that is fireproof or some way of storing the mnemonic key.

Not sure I understand the bank hatred, if you don't trust them then how can you trust fiat currency?


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27078328 - 12/08/20 07:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Gold is very good idea, it crossed my mind as well. But I don't really know if it's legal to posses gold and in what quantity. Gold jewelery is allowed by law, but gold bricks and such, i know nothing about it, i must investigate my country laws.

To put it this way, i don't like banks controlling my fiats, not that i have much trust in fiats more than banks in the first place


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27078412 - 12/08/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Can you tell us what country you live in?

Not sure how much money you are talking about but a brick of gold is 400oz which is somewhere around $750,000 USD.  Maybe I am misjudging you but I assume we are talking about less than that, which would mean coins, a 1oz coin is worth $2,000 USD


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27078475 - 12/08/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I live in Serbia.

You are not misjudging, what amount exactly I will not publish here, but those coins mentioned would be more adequate to my needs.

So, is that coin weight some sort of international standard, are there fatter and thiner coins ? And where can I buy them ? I know nothing of gold, but I was thinking about gold for some time already.

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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27078496 - 12/08/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Pawn shops and coin dealers would be one option. I will have to check more about your country and get back to you


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist] * 1
    #27078669 - 12/08/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I live in Serbia.

You are not misjudging, what amount exactly I will not publish here, but those coins mentioned would be more adequate to my needs.

So, is that coin weight some sort of international standard, are there fatter and thiner coins ? And where can I buy them ? I know nothing of gold, but I was thinking about gold for some time already.

Thanks




Well, if you don't know anything about gold, before you buy any, you should be able to identify fake gold from real gold (sometimes fake bars are plated gold and weighted the same as a real bar

In which case you gotta examine bars under some special equipment

I think silver would be better as more people would be able to trade


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: skOsH]
    #27081456 - 12/10/20 02:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Not sure about Serbia, but good luck actually owning gold/silver/platinum you buy. Often, when you buy gold from those websites, you don't actually get the gold, you get a gold certificate that entitles you to gold that remains in their vault. It's a bit like a bank, but like, a 1930s bank.

Also, any house fire you have will melt your gold/silver/platinum into the slag that remains of your house, so, there's that.

If you're buying either as a store of value post-currency devaluation, then you're playing a loser's game. You can;t eat gold, you can't smoke gold, and you won;t be able to trade gold for something that is edible or smokeable when people care more about eating or smoking than a shiny piece of metal. You'd be better off investing in a humidor and a huge stash of cigarettes if you're planning for an apocalypse.

I'd put your money into an insured stock in a stable currency. Invest in the US or EU stock market. Chinese stock market s probably a better store of value, but you won't get nearly the same returns as the US market, because China isn't actively cannibalizing itself to pump the market. Bitcoins if you're ballsy. If the world collapses, it's not like money (or gold) is gonna matter anyway.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27081491 - 12/10/20 02:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Gold is very good idea, it crossed my mind as well. But I don't really know if it's legal to posses gold and in what quantity. Gold jewelery is allowed by law, but gold bricks and such, i know nothing about it, i must investigate my country laws.

To put it this way, i don't like banks controlling my fiats, not that i have much trust in fiats more than banks in the first place





I don't think it will be illegal.

The classical and most recognized form to own gold is the Krugerrand:

:awegold:

A krugerrand is a surprisingly heavy not too big coin that currently worth about €1700 or so, so that a roll of 10 krugs that fits in your hand like a flashlight battery, will store €1700 for you.

Gold is a bit high in price now, if I could get it without VAT and wanted to buy precious metals now I would buy Platinum, such as the Platinum Maple Leaf.

Gold is quite high compared where its been the past decades, platinum quite low.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Asante]
    #27081585 - 12/10/20 05:02 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I cannot find any laws restricting gold ownership in serbia. That doesn't mean there aren't laws, gold ownership was highly restricted in the USA up until the 1970s.
I also can understand your distrust of the banks, I have met people from cyprus who lost significant amount of money when the govt seized what they considered excess wealth. I would expect stock holdings would also be subject to seizure in such a situation.
I would recommend only physical gold or platinum. If you can get jewelry more easily melting it and pouring your own bars is not very hard. As I mentioned pawn shops in the us often have gold for purchase with cash, not sure about serbia.
Regarding worth after a crisis, gold always has value because it doesnt decay, is easily transportable and storable.
Precious stones like diamonds are another option, although diamonds will quickly decompose to carbon under sustained heat as low as 350 degrees F. There is a reason why these things are still used for currency.

Regarding fire, do you have a basement? I wouldnt be too concerned about heat melting your gold in a basement but placing it inside a ceramic or brick container should avoid it mixing in with the rest of the debris, and it is not like you can't recover it. Gold is easily recoverable with chemicals and heat, very low tech.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27082303 - 12/10/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you all !

@christmas dressed bear
Thanks for investigation man ! i will do my homework soon and try to find any laws restricting it.
Unfortunately i don't have a basement. I live like an outkast in the middle of nowhere, so my house is pretty simple. Maybe i could dig one somehow ?!

Pawn shops are not really a thing in serbia, we have maybe 10 p.s. in the whole country, many big cities don't have one. But ive seen some advertisment like "buy gold here" so i guess i can buy it at some other places...

Good point was made by Asante about gold and apocalypse, sometimes i wonder what physical thing could be the best currency in that scenario ?! Maybe weaponry or some tools or fish i don't know.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27082957 - 12/10/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Cigarettes are the most important currency in an apocalypse. Lots of smokers gonna need lots of fixes in the apocalypse. More importantly, lots of people who'd love to have their stressful life go up in a puff of smoke for five minutes. Similarly, drugs in general would be a good investment. Of course, certain drugs will have more value: I'd expect amphetamines and opiates to be the most valuable due to their utility apart from feeling good.

Food and water would also be important currencies, but they aren't nearly as transportable due to bulk. Similarly, toilet paper, toothbrushes, toothpaste, etc.

Precious metals would be next to worthless until some semblance of society springs up to the point where there develops a need for jewelry. Again, I can't eat gold. A bar of gold, in an apocalypse, is just a very shiny club, and not a very good one (compared to, for example, a well shaped branch).


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27083414 - 12/11/20 04:12 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

If you need it 'easily available' then that rules out burying it somewhere on your property I guess. So I'm gonna go with: find or create some secret spot in the house, under a floorboard, or behind a loose brick or something that will definitely not stand out. And remember it will be subjected to the risks as noted previously.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27083442 - 12/11/20 05:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

@kryptos my assumption is we are talking about protecting against a local economic collapse, not worldwide apocalypse.

That said it would seem that gold and silver retained value throughout the dark ages which are the closest thing to a full collapse of society in recorded history.

I also don't get the cigarette focus, are you a smoker?
Guns ammo and reloading supplies, medical supplies, water purification, fuel, non perishables and seeds are what I would stockpile. For a real apocalypse.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27083450 - 12/11/20 05:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

i would bury the majority somewhere miles away from my house and miles away from people, preferably in multiple places (never keep all your eggs in one basket!), then keep a small amount to use in the short term stashed in different places around my house, garden, etc. where the local stash spots are depend on your house.
remember, plastering/filling/etc is quite a quick and easy job to do :thumbup:

thats if you want the cash anyway. personally i would trade it all in for land and supplies.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27083451 - 12/11/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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@kryptos my assumption is we are talking about protecting against a local economic collapse, not worldwide apocalypse.

That said it would seem that gold and silver retained value throughout the dark ages which are the closest thing to a full collapse of society in recorded history.

I also don't get the cigarette focus, are you a smoker?
Guns ammo and reloading supplies, medical supplies, water purification, fuel, non perishables and seeds are what I would stockpile. For a real apocalypse.



you know an american when they put guns and ammo before water :laugh:


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: greenladel]
    #27083456 - 12/11/20 05:38 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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@kryptos my assumption is we are talking about protecting against a local economic collapse, not worldwide apocalypse.

That said it would seem that gold and silver retained value throughout the dark ages which are the closest thing to a full collapse of society in recorded history.

I also don't get the cigarette focus, are you a smoker?
Guns ammo and reloading supplies, medical supplies, water purification, fuel, non perishables and seeds are what I would stockpile. For a real apocalypse.



you know an american when they put guns and ammo before water :laugh:




Lol, I guess, but what good is water when someone else is willing to take it by force and you have no way to stop them?


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    #27083558 - 12/11/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Sidenote: Did you know Serbia is just second to USA in the whole world by guns per capita?
Too bad 2. amendment is not a thing here,  but i have a firearm anyway.
They passed some moronic law to take guns away from people, probably so they(politicians) can fuck us to death.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27084074 - 12/11/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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@kryptos my assumption is we are talking about protecting against a local economic collapse, not worldwide apocalypse.

That said it would seem that gold and silver retained value throughout the dark ages which are the closest thing to a full collapse of society in recorded history.

I also don't get the cigarette focus, are you a smoker?
Guns ammo and reloading supplies, medical supplies, water purification, fuel, non perishables and seeds are what I would stockpile. For a real apocalypse.



you know an american when they put guns and ammo before water :laugh:




Lol, I guess, but what good is water when someone else is willing to take it by force and you have no way to stop them?




A wise man once said, don't shoot the water bearer, they'll just drop the water

I'd just pack light. Water filters, purification tablets, or one tiny drop of bleach in something like a gallon of water also works. Don't quote me on that ratio, it might be too strong

Most people I doubt are going to kill others. I would imagine quite a lot of it would be banding together

After all, many people own several guns but they cannot arm themselves with all of them at once

Bic lighters would be useful. Lots of people won't want to rub sticks together


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27084616 - 12/11/20 07:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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@kryptos my assumption is we are talking about protecting against a local economic collapse, not worldwide apocalypse.

That said it would seem that gold and silver retained value throughout the dark ages which are the closest thing to a full collapse of society in recorded history.

I also don't get the cigarette focus, are you a smoker?
Guns ammo and reloading supplies, medical supplies, water purification, fuel, non perishables and seeds are what I would stockpile. For a real apocalypse.




Couple things:

First off, yes, I am a smoker. But that's not the point. The focus on cigarettes is because they are a perfect currency: lightweight, easily transportable in bulk, and have obvious and inherent value that is generally agreed upon. These are the reasons that we adopted paper currency over gold: it's easier to transport and has the same generally agreed upon value. The logic is what someone would call "street currency" today: drugs, guns, sex. Cigarettes are easily available now in large amounts, making them easy to stockpile, but require a significant enough supply chain that a societal collapse would halt the production of future cigarettes. Other drugs (again, my bet is amphetamines and opiates) would be better, but are illegal right now. Alcohol doubles as both a drug and a medical supply, making it ideal, but it harder to transport due to weight and volume.

As far as dark ages, there wasn't really any collapse of society. The only reason they're "dark ages" is because there is very little historical records/writings from the time period between ~800-1500. They're "dark" specifically because they aren't recorded history. Society didn't fall apart, society just didn't write anything down (outside of a few monks in some random monastery) so we don't really know what was going on. Arguably, we are currently living in a dark age, because our digital storage mediums are pretty inferior as far as long term information storage. Like, NASA lost the OG moon landing footage because we don't have any working machines that could read the original tape before it degraded. It's like trying to watch your parent's wedding video, only to realize that you'd need to find a VCR somewhere. Similarly, things like flash storage are much more susceptible to degradation/corruption through quantum effects. A couple bits can flip from zero to one by accident, but the letters in a book aren;t going to reorganize themselves randomly. At least, not the way electrons will. Just like if you *do* manage to find a VCR, your parent's wedding tape is likely going to have weird colors and artifacts, because magnetic tapes will demagnetize over time.

As far as stockpiling, yes, food, water, non-perishables, medical supplies, etc. are good. However, with the exception of maybe medical supplies, these are bad currencies because they are heavy and hard to carry in bulk. Stockpile? good. Currency? bad.

Gold, silver, and other precious metals have value in electronics and jewelry. These are two industries that require some semblance of society to function. Which is why gold and silver had a lot more value to, say, Europeans, compared to the native hunter-gatherer tribes that the Europeans genocided. If we are not talking about an apocalyptic situation, but only a localized collapse, then foreign investments would be ideal, as they would not be part of the collapse, and couldn't really be stolen from you physically.

Specifically for an apocalypse, I think the most valuable thing would be one of these:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/reviews/Toter-64-Gal-Greenstone-Trash-Can-with-Wheels-and-Attached-Lid-79264-R2968/100130308/1

A 64 gallon water tank on built in wheels. Enough to keep a family alive for two weeks, not counting cleaning. Don't get caught with your pants down by the only water source for miles.

With guns, that really depends on lifestyle. If hunting is your food source of choice, a gun stockpile is a good investment. Otherwise, maybe a single gun for protection, and some spare ammo, but you run into the weight issue as soon as you try to use guns/ammo as a currency.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27085106 - 12/12/20 06:18 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Cigarettes won't survive getting wet or a fire. You also seem focused on being able to move, I plan to stay right where I am with my well, farmable land and huntable wildlife.

Neways foreign investments are seized from citizens by their governments all the time. I think the renegademyco is concerned about the cyprus situation where the govt in a pinch decides to seize bank held assets owned by its citizens. I still think crypto is possibly best for this and would point to HK and China as examples where people are trying to keep wealth out of the hands of the govt.

@renegademyco I did read that Serbia was the gun capital of Europe. What kind of gun do you have? Are you allowed full auto?  The 2nd amendment is good but there is a lot of talk and periodic attempts to ban assault style weapons, seems the new administration wants to create a registration requirement by reclassifying them similar to short barrelled rifles where you need to go through a long background check, register ownership, not cross state lines with it and it becomes very hard to sell or transfer. A few states have such laws already and one state even tried a take back that failed miserably when it turned out that 68% of its police force owned the weapons and was refusing to comply with the take back.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27085794 - 12/12/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmm drawback of cigarettes as a currency is that a lot of people don't smoke. Myself included. So i could care less if someone tried to pay me with one. i would refuse it and request food or water for my services. I would accept them only if everbody else does, but i think there are a lot of non smokers and they will refuse to use it as a currency as well.
Also cigarettes are ease to forge, anyone could easily make a fake one, so you would have to check everytime by smoking it, i don't see it as very practical.

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There are 4 categories of weaponry recognized by serbian law - A B C D
A - fully automatic firearm (long and short), mines, explosives
B - semi automatic guns, repeating rifles
C - old guns and rifles (not sure what year is a limit)
D - maces, pepper sprays, tasers etc

A is not allowed for civilians, also silencer is not allowed on any weapon, and possession of silencers is also prohibited

B is allowed, but they passed some new laws and its quite a procedure to get any weapon these days... You have to register of course, go take some course for firearm handling, then pass some test... they do full background check,they even go and talk to your fucking neighbours to see what kind of person you are. Of course you can't have any criminal file, can't be ex convict if you want a gun, and even small shit like fight in a bar in the last 4 years is enough for them to decide you are not eligible to own one. Also, Of course you have to go to "health" check and provide them proof you have safe space to place your guns. Not only that, you have to provide good reason why you want a gun. "feeling more safe" is not enough for them. Furthermore, you pay some ludicrous tax every year for your gun.
So i don't bother with their shit really. I own a gun illegaly. It's not that I'm a criminal, also there is no crime in serbia in the last 20 years, but i like guns and i belive everyone have the right to own one. 25 years ago it was literally like wild west here, but now times have changed and new laws are at play.

C  is allowed, you only notify police you own it

D is completely allowed for anyone


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27086347 - 12/12/20 07:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

how stable is the currency in your country? Do you have a vacuum sealer? Rodents will eat through bags and stacks of bills if you leav it alone too long. They make insulation for their nests out of the paper shreds.

PVC pipes with sealed caps will eventually float up out of the ground unless you put rocks/weights in them. If you want to bury a PVC pipe you need to test it in the bathtub first to make sure it won't come up on you.

The ground shifts regularly and things you bury might not be where you left them if time goes by. Houses burn. Containers leak. Animals have no value for currency other than as a bedding material.

Why can't you keep a safe?


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Nichrome]
    #27086685 - 12/13/20 04:18 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Jesus i keep on forgetting things. Thanks for the rodents input. I killed them all for now but i guess there are many of them nearby. Probably they would fucking eat it all. Do they eat metal ?

Currency is weak, but it is stable.

How do you mean pvc will float up, if it's stacked with money and burried. i don't get it. Are you suggesting i put pvc pipe filled with money somewhere in the lake ? Or in some other still water ? In ground i guess it will stay in the same place.

Yes ground shifts and landslides are also a danger.
Many good points and ideas here, can't decide yet what to do.

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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27086689 - 12/13/20 04:25 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry for double post, i said safe is out of question because i reckon thiefs would search for it first and bully me to get password if they find it. Also they could take the whole safe. If they can't find it i would just pretend i am poor, give them my wallet money and they would leave. And my main money is safe and hidden somewhere.

Maybe to buy safe and put some thief decoy money, and the rest is hidden somewhere else.


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Cigarettes are the most important currency in an apocalypse.





That said, a 9mm parabellum cartridge can turn a chainsmoker into a nonsmoker.


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    #27087099 - 12/13/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

A sealed PVC pipe without weights will eventually rise from the dirt no matter how deep it is buried. The ground is not solid and eventually any "bubble" will surface if it is buoyant. The ground is full of water and is composed of particulate matter. This causes solid ground to act as a slow moving liquid in a way. Everything on earth is under a massive amount of pressure. The earth is a big centrifuge. Any "bubble will eventually surface unless it is "heavier" than water. I'm sure you can find a brick or stone...

Water is more dense than soil. If the "bubble" sinks in water, it will not rise from the ground.


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Cigarettes are the most important currency in an apocalypse.





That said, a 9mm parabellum cartridge can turn a chainsmoker into a nonsmoker.




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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27088694 - 12/14/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Buy some concealment items (clocks, furniture, food items, wall outlets, common household items, etc.) and stash your cash in those various items.

https://www.psproducts.com/product-category/concealment-items/

https://redoyourhouse.com/concealment-furniture/

https://www.secretstashing.com/collections/concealment-furniture

https://concealmentcans.com/

And if want even higher security, place small money lock boxes inside the concealment items (if they fit, of course).


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    #27093793 - 12/17/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think burying money is a bad idea. I read this book about a guy who flew a bunch of coke runs from Columbia in a single engine Piper, with rubber bladder extra gas tanks, etc. He was burying money in sealed pvc pipes, and it was rotting and getting moldy.

Cigarettes would have value if the shit hit the fan, but they go stale in a couple years.


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    #27093911 - 12/17/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Money is pretty pointless unless it's in use. Invest in art.


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    #27093933 - 12/17/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm pretty sure the only people that "invest in art" are money launderers and tax cheats.


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    #27093998 - 12/17/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

There are several stories about pablo escobar having money mold or rats destroy stashes of currency, one estimate says at the height of his empire he lost 2 billion a year to storage problems. One of his nephews recently found 16million in the walls of an apartment his uncle had owned with a portion of the bank notes rotten or otherwise rendered unspendable in the 25+ years of storage. Now colombia is a humid climate but they also dont have freezing temps which can also be very destructive.


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I'm pretty sure the only people that "invest in art" are money launderers and tax cheats.





:super:


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27095133 - 12/17/20 11:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

But did he vacuum-seal them in plastic? :strokebeard:


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #27097239 - 12/19/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So slight update guys.

I have redrawn money from the bank. They were literally crying. Even bank main manager came to talk with me. It's not that huge amount, but they were butthurt heavily.
Why why why they wept, your money is safe here ...why why...Yeah, right, safe with you.
They even pretended there's some problem in the software. What a fucking joke they are. Legalised robbery is their trade. I gave them no real reason for my decision, just ignored them. It felt good.

So now I'm implementing knowledge i gained in this thread.

P.s.
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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27097278 - 12/19/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Hide that money in your mind




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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/arts/monet-auction-110-million.html



Bro. Like i can afford that anyway. Shit is going to hit the fan heavily very soon. I'd rather not be stuck with some crappy pictures. Fiats on hand are good, precious metal, even better.


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Shit is going to hit the fan heavily very soon.




What specifically are you implying?


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Shit is going to hit the fan heavily very soon.




What specifically are you implying?



Nothing really. Just my perception of reality.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27099914 - 12/20/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

If you're expecting a collapse, hide money where rich people hide money. They literally pay people to figure out the best places to hide money. Right now, considering the economic policy of the US, that means hide your money in the SP500.

If you're expecting a complete worldwide societal collapse, precious metal is no longer precious. Nothing is.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27100257 - 12/21/20 03:31 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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So slight update guys.

I have redrawn money from the bank. They were literally crying. Even bank main manager came to talk with me. It's not that huge amount, but they were butthurt heavily.
Why why why they wept, your money is safe here ...why why...Yeah, right, safe with you.
They even pretended there's some problem in the software. What a fucking joke they are. Legalised robbery is their trade. I gave them no real reason for my decision, just ignored them. It felt good.





:heart:
if everybody did the same as you it would quickly become very obvious that they never did have your money. they would deny any replacement of funds and then they would walk free as if they have not stolen anything.
the banks are more powerful than any government, more corrupt too (and thats saying something!). the sooner we take that power back the better for us.

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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27104511 - 12/23/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I heard a story about an old plane crash that was found on a recently discovered island and it was full of smuggled heroin in religious statuettes. I forget how much it was worth, but a lot more than stash had been when it crashed.

Maybe investing in black market drugs would be a good way to deal with too much cash?


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    #27104741 - 12/23/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like someone's been watching Lost. Watch out for the smoke monster (I didn;t make it past season 2).


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Maybe investing in black market drugs would be a good way to deal with too much cash?






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    #27108254 - 12/26/20 04:51 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

What would i get by doing that ?
Be stuck with two tons of dope i can not sell really quickly. Also i convert legal fiats to ilegal stuff so i have to worry additionally about being busted with tons of coke or whatever.


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    #27108744 - 12/26/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like your life is sketchy as shit and if you have to be asking these questions here then you are probably in way over your head. Good luck.


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    #27110094 - 12/27/20 04:33 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Sounds like your life is sketchy as shit and if you have to be asking these questions here then you are probably in way over your head. Good luck.




all of our lives are sketchy as shit in regards to this topic, OP just sees what most others do not.


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    #27110106 - 12/27/20 04:44 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Sounds like your life is sketchy as shit and if you have to be asking these questions here then you are probably in way over your head. Good luck.



Nothing too sketchy though. Maybe a bit unusual situation i found myself into this year but i think i can handle it.

As greenladel says, i believe everyone here is sketchy in this regard, and whole site is full of suspicious people as well.
I think this is the right place to discuss these questions.

Also, money is hidden now. Getting a bit paranoid, but i guess it's normal.


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    #27110109 - 12/27/20 04:46 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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money is hidden now.




where did you end up hiding it? :tongue:


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    #27110123 - 12/27/20 04:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It's safely hidden in my mind now :dancer:
Hopefully i am anonymous but If something happens to me I wonder if there will be treasure hunt on/near my property, but I doubt anyone from my country actually reads this forum, let alone this thread. And i am still going strong, maybe if i die by accident.


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    #27111588 - 12/28/20 02:51 AM (3 years, 30 days ago)

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It's safely hidden in my mind now :dancer:
Hopefully i am anonymous but If something happens to me I wonder if there will be treasure hunt on/near my property, but I doubt anyone from my country actually reads this forum, let alone this thread. And i am still going strong, maybe if i die by accident.



congrats brother <3
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    #27125727 - 01/04/21 10:05 AM (3 years, 23 days ago)

Guns and ammo can get me food and water!!! I agree that items like cigarettes, drugs, alcohol will be hot commodities!!!!

What I didn't see mentioned is how you would keep your items safe. Back in the mid 1800's there was a ferry crossing about 200 yards south of my parents place,  the ferry owner would bury the gold coins collected, well burying the gold kept some of it safe but it didn't save the ferryman or his family from the bandits that wanted his horde. They tortured the entire family to death and only managed to find one jar of coins. How would you keep anyone from taking what you have? Hiding it is only part of the problem!!! There's always going to be someone that knows that you have something valuable in  a situation like that and there's always someone willing to take it from you at all costs.


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    #27139638 - 01/10/21 11:59 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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Yeah put it on a blockchain to lose value, especially knowing my luck
What is pm (paper money?)

Good point on fire though




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Yeah put it on a blockchain to lose value, especially knowing my luck





This post did not age well :cool:



Aged, right, like even a month passed.
I just like those guys lurking on crypto going suddenly whohoooo i told you to invest. Bro i need to store real money in the long run.

And sure, just wait tomorrow or some other day, for shit to go downhill and to crash again to fucking zero. Then post again.
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    #27142007 - 01/11/21 01:02 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

I use to hide my dope in the a/c vents in the ceiling, no one found it.


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    #27143087 - 01/12/21 02:25 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

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I just like those guys lurking on crypto going suddenly whohoooo i told you to invest. Bro i need to store real money in the long run.

And sure, just wait tomorrow or some other day, for shit to go downhill and to crash again to fucking zero. Then post again.
I use crypto for transaction, will not
use it ever to store shit




i agree. investing in crypto is a gamble like any other. crypto is not the answer to hiding your money in any case, it is easier to lose your money when its stored digitally on a drive and relying on a third party structure to even use than if you have cash buried in your yard.
i dont know what you did with it but ill bet its safer where it is.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Doc9151]
    #27143088 - 01/12/21 02:26 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

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I use to hide my dope in the a/c vents in the ceiling, no one found it.




did anybody even look for it? as far as i know thats one of the most obvious places hahah. isnt that one in all the movies? :laugh:


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Doc9151]
    #27143099 - 01/12/21 02:43 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

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I use to hide my dope in the a/c vents in the ceiling, no one found it.



No ac vents in my country. At least never on home instalations, only in big business buildings and such. It's just not a home thing here.

But anyway, i just had a scene From no country for old men playing in my head, where you know theres guy he took some money and he is chased by psychopath hitman, he hides money in ac vent, and then of course shootout occurs


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: greenladel]
    #27143113 - 01/12/21 03:06 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

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i agree. investing in crypto is a gamble like any other. crypto is not the answer to hiding your money in any case, it is easier to lose your money when its stored digitally on a drive and relying on a third party structure to even use than if you have cash buried in your yard.
i dont know what you did with it but ill bet its safer where it is.



Yup. Correct.
I can always bring it in a casino to challenge my luck. I could put it all on black and voila ! Maybe it is doubled now, just like it could happen in blockchain market, only my way is much faster. Then i could go: i told you so, see, gambling pays of !

As long as btc and other crypto have only their value in regards to dollar, im not storing shit. When some country made crypto their own currency, people start using it like fiat, paying goods, services, private and public debts, and stop looking at it from perspective "how many dollars my btc is worth today", then its time to buy crypto. Till then, theres no point.

That said, it has it's uses, and i don't deny it. But it is just a protocol transaction currency, no one holds onto it after transaction, only will ever hold it for speculative hopes on gaining dollar surplus value through crypto market. Sometimes it work, sometimes it does not.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27143134 - 01/12/21 03:39 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

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I can always bring it in a casino to challenge my luck. I could put it all on black and voila ! Maybe it is doubled now, just like it could happen in blockchain market, only my way is much faster. Then i could go: i told you so, see, gambling pays of !





its funny you say that because that same mentality is something i have observed to be one of the biggest hurdles for gambling addicts to overcome. they remember the wins and talk about them a lot, but they do not dwell on the loses so much. they know deep down that they are down overall, but the feeling from the win is enough to fuel them through multiple loses. even though they know better and would agree that overall they lose out, their brain still reacts to the dopamine hit just the same.

i dont think its fair to say its the same for crypto investors, i am just pointing out the irony of it :grin:


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: greenladel]
    #27143248 - 01/12/21 06:52 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

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i am just pointing out the irony of it :grin:



Yes, gamblers always lose, because house have an edge. In every game. Gambler's mind is polluted with irrational thought and hopes of easy money, but no one who is sane could possibly think they are in the gambling+ overall. But as you said it, its flawed logic, and they just can't help it.

Well, back to crypto. crypto market is not rigged. But it is not predictable in any way. Every knowledge/news (good or bad) which is currently out there considering btc for example, creates public view on it, that is, sets some level of demand for btc, and how much something is wanted/demanded reflects its price. That is how stock market works as well. Without some inside information, you can't gain edge over it. You are in the dark, waiting for tommorows news : "btc is the money of the future" value goes up "germany outlaws btc" value drops. So on and so on.
Some people don't get this shit really, so their logic is for example: but no one controls it so it must have high value sometime in the future i will buy me some! Yes you can buy, and yes it is not controlled, but that information is already contained in btc price. But just as gamblers have their little lucky charms, these btc fuckers have just about the same.

They lose mostly. They call themself investors, but investor does not sit all day shaking ,obsessively monitoring BTC exchange rate. Investment is puting money in productive and creative business . Something in the long run, something that generates profit. Real value is not the same as stock market or crypto market value. Wall street guys do it as well, but with someones else money so they could care less. They get their fat commission.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: greenladel]
    #27143862 - 01/12/21 01:17 PM (3 years, 15 days ago)

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I use to hide my dope in the a/c vents in the ceiling, no one found it.




did anybody even look for it? as far as i know thats one of the most obvious places hahah. isnt that one in all the movies? :laugh:



Oh yeah,  my ex wife and her sister would steal my whole script, then try to convince me that ate them.  I'm like. Bitch, I can handle some dope, but  there's no freaking way that I could eat 90 160mg  oxy's and 240 10mg perc's in 45 freaking minutes and be standing here talking to you, for that matter I wouldn't be talking at all because I'd be dead!!!! She didn't think I would call and have her and her sister locked up until I picked up the phone. My shit magically appeared!!!

I had a stroke in 98 that knocked my dick in the dirt, had to learn to walk and hold utensils,  I was messed up and having severe intractable pain so no one thought that I could reach up into the ceiling most likely.  I don't know,  but it worked.  Now, I have a woman that isn't on any drugs or alcohol because it never goes well when 2 addicts hook up and she accepts me faults and all.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Doc9151]
    #27145077 - 01/13/21 05:27 AM (3 years, 14 days ago)

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Doc9151 said:
I use to hide my dope in the a/c vents in the ceiling, no one found it.




did anybody even look for it? as far as i know thats one of the most obvious places hahah. isnt that one in all the movies? :laugh:



Oh yeah,  my ex wife and her sister would steal my whole script, then try to convince me that ate them.  I'm like. Bitch, I can handle some dope, but  there's no freaking way that I could eat 90 160mg  oxy's and 240 10mg perc's in 45 freaking minutes and be standing here talking to you, for that matter I wouldn't be talking at all because I'd be dead!!!! She didn't think I would call and have her and her sister locked up until I picked up the phone. My shit magically appeared!!!

I had a stroke in 98 that knocked my dick in the dirt, had to learn to walk and hold utensils,  I was messed up and having severe intractable pain so no one thought that I could reach up into the ceiling most likely.  I don't know,  but it worked.  Now, I have a woman that isn't on any drugs or alcohol because it never goes well when 2 addicts hook up and she accepts me faults and all.




hahah fair play :grin: sometimes simple places are the best. certainly helps that they did not think you could get up there hahah. probably helps that they were a mess from taking your pills too :grin:
glad to hear youve got that poison out of your life, i cant imagine having to hide stuff from my partner, that can never end well.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: greenladel]
    #27148370 - 01/14/21 06:35 PM (3 years, 13 days ago)

What's a shame is we were married 18yrs with 4 children when she started fuckin up with her sister after I stroked out, said she just wanted her old husband back, like I could snap my fingers and change the world. Her sister introduced her to some dude and she hauled ass 3 days later walking out on me and our children. It's all good,  have had my true soul mate by my side for coming up on 14yrs nows. I also don't understand how you could watch someone that you supposedly love suffer through excruciating pain to the point I was going to take my life. Its all good though,  it pushed me harder to recover because my children were still young 10, 12 and 14. They are my purpose for living, I have 4 children but only 3 have managed to live, I lost my oldest son in 92 so that just pushed me to be the best father I could ever be.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Doc9151]
    #27149121 - 01/15/21 04:55 AM (3 years, 12 days ago)

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What's a shame is we were married 18yrs with 4 children when she started fuckin up with her sister after I stroked out, said she just wanted her old husband back, like I could snap my fingers and change the world. Her sister introduced her to some dude and she hauled ass 3 days later walking out on me and our children. It's all good,  have had my true soul mate by my side for coming up on 14yrs nows. I also don't understand how you could watch someone that you supposedly love suffer through excruciating pain to the point I was going to take my life. Its all good though,  it pushed me harder to recover because my children were still young 10, 12 and 14. They are my purpose for living, I have 4 children but only 3 have managed to live, I lost my oldest son in 92 so that just pushed me to be the best father I could ever be.




good for you, man! you ARE a GREAT dad! clearly! and an admirably strong person :heart:
glad things are going well for you these days and you have met your true soulmate. makes the wasted 18 years worth it.


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