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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27082957 - 12/10/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Cigarettes are the most important currency in an apocalypse. Lots of smokers gonna need lots of fixes in the apocalypse. More importantly, lots of people who'd love to have their stressful life go up in a puff of smoke for five minutes. Similarly, drugs in general would be a good investment. Of course, certain drugs will have more value: I'd expect amphetamines and opiates to be the most valuable due to their utility apart from feeling good.

Food and water would also be important currencies, but they aren't nearly as transportable due to bulk. Similarly, toilet paper, toothbrushes, toothpaste, etc.

Precious metals would be next to worthless until some semblance of society springs up to the point where there develops a need for jewelry. Again, I can't eat gold. A bar of gold, in an apocalypse, is just a very shiny club, and not a very good one (compared to, for example, a well shaped branch).


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27083414 - 12/11/20 04:12 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

If you need it 'easily available' then that rules out burying it somewhere on your property I guess. So I'm gonna go with: find or create some secret spot in the house, under a floorboard, or behind a loose brick or something that will definitely not stand out. And remember it will be subjected to the risks as noted previously.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27083442 - 12/11/20 05:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

@kryptos my assumption is we are talking about protecting against a local economic collapse, not worldwide apocalypse.

That said it would seem that gold and silver retained value throughout the dark ages which are the closest thing to a full collapse of society in recorded history.

I also don't get the cigarette focus, are you a smoker?
Guns ammo and reloading supplies, medical supplies, water purification, fuel, non perishables and seeds are what I would stockpile. For a real apocalypse.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27083450 - 12/11/20 05:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

i would bury the majority somewhere miles away from my house and miles away from people, preferably in multiple places (never keep all your eggs in one basket!), then keep a small amount to use in the short term stashed in different places around my house, garden, etc. where the local stash spots are depend on your house.
remember, plastering/filling/etc is quite a quick and easy job to do :thumbup:

thats if you want the cash anyway. personally i would trade it all in for land and supplies.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27083451 - 12/11/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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@kryptos my assumption is we are talking about protecting against a local economic collapse, not worldwide apocalypse.

That said it would seem that gold and silver retained value throughout the dark ages which are the closest thing to a full collapse of society in recorded history.

I also don't get the cigarette focus, are you a smoker?
Guns ammo and reloading supplies, medical supplies, water purification, fuel, non perishables and seeds are what I would stockpile. For a real apocalypse.



you know an american when they put guns and ammo before water :laugh:


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: greenladel]
    #27083456 - 12/11/20 05:38 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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@kryptos my assumption is we are talking about protecting against a local economic collapse, not worldwide apocalypse.

That said it would seem that gold and silver retained value throughout the dark ages which are the closest thing to a full collapse of society in recorded history.

I also don't get the cigarette focus, are you a smoker?
Guns ammo and reloading supplies, medical supplies, water purification, fuel, non perishables and seeds are what I would stockpile. For a real apocalypse.



you know an american when they put guns and ammo before water :laugh:




Lol, I guess, but what good is water when someone else is willing to take it by force and you have no way to stop them?


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    #27083558 - 12/11/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Sidenote: Did you know Serbia is just second to USA in the whole world by guns per capita?
Too bad 2. amendment is not a thing here,  but i have a firearm anyway.
They passed some moronic law to take guns away from people, probably so they(politicians) can fuck us to death.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27084074 - 12/11/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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@kryptos my assumption is we are talking about protecting against a local economic collapse, not worldwide apocalypse.

That said it would seem that gold and silver retained value throughout the dark ages which are the closest thing to a full collapse of society in recorded history.

I also don't get the cigarette focus, are you a smoker?
Guns ammo and reloading supplies, medical supplies, water purification, fuel, non perishables and seeds are what I would stockpile. For a real apocalypse.



you know an american when they put guns and ammo before water :laugh:




Lol, I guess, but what good is water when someone else is willing to take it by force and you have no way to stop them?




A wise man once said, don't shoot the water bearer, they'll just drop the water

I'd just pack light. Water filters, purification tablets, or one tiny drop of bleach in something like a gallon of water also works. Don't quote me on that ratio, it might be too strong

Most people I doubt are going to kill others. I would imagine quite a lot of it would be banding together

After all, many people own several guns but they cannot arm themselves with all of them at once

Bic lighters would be useful. Lots of people won't want to rub sticks together


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27084616 - 12/11/20 07:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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@kryptos my assumption is we are talking about protecting against a local economic collapse, not worldwide apocalypse.

That said it would seem that gold and silver retained value throughout the dark ages which are the closest thing to a full collapse of society in recorded history.

I also don't get the cigarette focus, are you a smoker?
Guns ammo and reloading supplies, medical supplies, water purification, fuel, non perishables and seeds are what I would stockpile. For a real apocalypse.




Couple things:

First off, yes, I am a smoker. But that's not the point. The focus on cigarettes is because they are a perfect currency: lightweight, easily transportable in bulk, and have obvious and inherent value that is generally agreed upon. These are the reasons that we adopted paper currency over gold: it's easier to transport and has the same generally agreed upon value. The logic is what someone would call "street currency" today: drugs, guns, sex. Cigarettes are easily available now in large amounts, making them easy to stockpile, but require a significant enough supply chain that a societal collapse would halt the production of future cigarettes. Other drugs (again, my bet is amphetamines and opiates) would be better, but are illegal right now. Alcohol doubles as both a drug and a medical supply, making it ideal, but it harder to transport due to weight and volume.

As far as dark ages, there wasn't really any collapse of society. The only reason they're "dark ages" is because there is very little historical records/writings from the time period between ~800-1500. They're "dark" specifically because they aren't recorded history. Society didn't fall apart, society just didn't write anything down (outside of a few monks in some random monastery) so we don't really know what was going on. Arguably, we are currently living in a dark age, because our digital storage mediums are pretty inferior as far as long term information storage. Like, NASA lost the OG moon landing footage because we don't have any working machines that could read the original tape before it degraded. It's like trying to watch your parent's wedding video, only to realize that you'd need to find a VCR somewhere. Similarly, things like flash storage are much more susceptible to degradation/corruption through quantum effects. A couple bits can flip from zero to one by accident, but the letters in a book aren;t going to reorganize themselves randomly. At least, not the way electrons will. Just like if you *do* manage to find a VCR, your parent's wedding tape is likely going to have weird colors and artifacts, because magnetic tapes will demagnetize over time.

As far as stockpiling, yes, food, water, non-perishables, medical supplies, etc. are good. However, with the exception of maybe medical supplies, these are bad currencies because they are heavy and hard to carry in bulk. Stockpile? good. Currency? bad.

Gold, silver, and other precious metals have value in electronics and jewelry. These are two industries that require some semblance of society to function. Which is why gold and silver had a lot more value to, say, Europeans, compared to the native hunter-gatherer tribes that the Europeans genocided. If we are not talking about an apocalyptic situation, but only a localized collapse, then foreign investments would be ideal, as they would not be part of the collapse, and couldn't really be stolen from you physically.

Specifically for an apocalypse, I think the most valuable thing would be one of these:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/reviews/Toter-64-Gal-Greenstone-Trash-Can-with-Wheels-and-Attached-Lid-79264-R2968/100130308/1

A 64 gallon water tank on built in wheels. Enough to keep a family alive for two weeks, not counting cleaning. Don't get caught with your pants down by the only water source for miles.

With guns, that really depends on lifestyle. If hunting is your food source of choice, a gun stockpile is a good investment. Otherwise, maybe a single gun for protection, and some spare ammo, but you run into the weight issue as soon as you try to use guns/ammo as a currency.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27085106 - 12/12/20 06:18 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Cigarettes won't survive getting wet or a fire. You also seem focused on being able to move, I plan to stay right where I am with my well, farmable land and huntable wildlife.

Neways foreign investments are seized from citizens by their governments all the time. I think the renegademyco is concerned about the cyprus situation where the govt in a pinch decides to seize bank held assets owned by its citizens. I still think crypto is possibly best for this and would point to HK and China as examples where people are trying to keep wealth out of the hands of the govt.

@renegademyco I did read that Serbia was the gun capital of Europe. What kind of gun do you have? Are you allowed full auto?  The 2nd amendment is good but there is a lot of talk and periodic attempts to ban assault style weapons, seems the new administration wants to create a registration requirement by reclassifying them similar to short barrelled rifles where you need to go through a long background check, register ownership, not cross state lines with it and it becomes very hard to sell or transfer. A few states have such laws already and one state even tried a take back that failed miserably when it turned out that 68% of its police force owned the weapons and was refusing to comply with the take back.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27085794 - 12/12/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmm drawback of cigarettes as a currency is that a lot of people don't smoke. Myself included. So i could care less if someone tried to pay me with one. i would refuse it and request food or water for my services. I would accept them only if everbody else does, but i think there are a lot of non smokers and they will refuse to use it as a currency as well.
Also cigarettes are ease to forge, anyone could easily make a fake one, so you would have to check everytime by smoking it, i don't see it as very practical.

@sugabearcrisp
There are 4 categories of weaponry recognized by serbian law - A B C D
A - fully automatic firearm (long and short), mines, explosives
B - semi automatic guns, repeating rifles
C - old guns and rifles (not sure what year is a limit)
D - maces, pepper sprays, tasers etc

A is not allowed for civilians, also silencer is not allowed on any weapon, and possession of silencers is also prohibited

B is allowed, but they passed some new laws and its quite a procedure to get any weapon these days... You have to register of course, go take some course for firearm handling, then pass some test... they do full background check,they even go and talk to your fucking neighbours to see what kind of person you are. Of course you can't have any criminal file, can't be ex convict if you want a gun, and even small shit like fight in a bar in the last 4 years is enough for them to decide you are not eligible to own one. Also, Of course you have to go to "health" check and provide them proof you have safe space to place your guns. Not only that, you have to provide good reason why you want a gun. "feeling more safe" is not enough for them. Furthermore, you pay some ludicrous tax every year for your gun.
So i don't bother with their shit really. I own a gun illegaly. It's not that I'm a criminal, also there is no crime in serbia in the last 20 years, but i like guns and i belive everyone have the right to own one. 25 years ago it was literally like wild west here, but now times have changed and new laws are at play.

C  is allowed, you only notify police you own it

D is completely allowed for anyone


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27086347 - 12/12/20 07:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

how stable is the currency in your country? Do you have a vacuum sealer? Rodents will eat through bags and stacks of bills if you leav it alone too long. They make insulation for their nests out of the paper shreds.

PVC pipes with sealed caps will eventually float up out of the ground unless you put rocks/weights in them. If you want to bury a PVC pipe you need to test it in the bathtub first to make sure it won't come up on you.

The ground shifts regularly and things you bury might not be where you left them if time goes by. Houses burn. Containers leak. Animals have no value for currency other than as a bedding material.

Why can't you keep a safe?


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Nichrome]
    #27086685 - 12/13/20 04:18 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Jesus i keep on forgetting things. Thanks for the rodents input. I killed them all for now but i guess there are many of them nearby. Probably they would fucking eat it all. Do they eat metal ?

Currency is weak, but it is stable.

How do you mean pvc will float up, if it's stacked with money and burried. i don't get it. Are you suggesting i put pvc pipe filled with money somewhere in the lake ? Or in some other still water ? In ground i guess it will stay in the same place.

Yes ground shifts and landslides are also a danger.
Many good points and ideas here, can't decide yet what to do.

Maybe safe after all is the best solution.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27086689 - 12/13/20 04:25 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry for double post, i said safe is out of question because i reckon thiefs would search for it first and bully me to get password if they find it. Also they could take the whole safe. If they can't find it i would just pretend i am poor, give them my wallet money and they would leave. And my main money is safe and hidden somewhere.

Maybe to buy safe and put some thief decoy money, and the rest is hidden somewhere else.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27086973 - 12/13/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Cigarettes are the most important currency in an apocalypse.





That said, a 9mm parabellum cartridge can turn a chainsmoker into a nonsmoker.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Asante]
    #27087099 - 12/13/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

A sealed PVC pipe without weights will eventually rise from the dirt no matter how deep it is buried. The ground is not solid and eventually any "bubble" will surface if it is buoyant. The ground is full of water and is composed of particulate matter. This causes solid ground to act as a slow moving liquid in a way. Everything on earth is under a massive amount of pressure. The earth is a big centrifuge. Any "bubble will eventually surface unless it is "heavier" than water. I'm sure you can find a brick or stone...

Water is more dense than soil. If the "bubble" sinks in water, it will not rise from the ground.


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Cigarettes are the most important currency in an apocalypse.





That said, a 9mm parabellum cartridge can turn a chainsmoker into a nonsmoker.




Yep.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27088694 - 12/14/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Buy some concealment items (clocks, furniture, food items, wall outlets, common household items, etc.) and stash your cash in those various items.

https://www.psproducts.com/product-category/concealment-items/

https://redoyourhouse.com/concealment-furniture/

https://www.secretstashing.com/collections/concealment-furniture

https://concealmentcans.com/

And if want even higher security, place small money lock boxes inside the concealment items (if they fit, of course).


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #27093793 - 12/17/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think burying money is a bad idea. I read this book about a guy who flew a bunch of coke runs from Columbia in a single engine Piper, with rubber bladder extra gas tanks, etc. He was burying money in sealed pvc pipes, and it was rotting and getting moldy.

Cigarettes would have value if the shit hit the fan, but they go stale in a couple years.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27093911 - 12/17/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Money is pretty pointless unless it's in use. Invest in art.


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Re: Where to hide money ? [Re: Nichrome]
    #27093933 - 12/17/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm pretty sure the only people that "invest in art" are money launderers and tax cheats.


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