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Re: PF Tek SGFC Caps Splitting [Re: Josex]
#27074794 - 12/06/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well part of the directions is to cram it with cakes.
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Re: PF Tek SGFC Caps Splitting [Re: bodhisatta]
#27074803 - 12/06/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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True that, I think that's part of the problem, very few do that. I can't remember the last time I saw a SGFC crammed full of cakes.
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Re: PF Tek SGFC Caps Splitting [Re: Josex]
#27074989 - 12/06/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think you guys just nailed it. In order for SGFCs to work, they have to actually be a SGFC; that is filled to capacity with multiple cakes. Trying to find a container that's size works for the amount of cakes you have is a tedious and almost completely unmentioned aspect. It's usually more of a get size "x" container to make it and then use as needed. I'm not saying it's a perfect method or the most efficient but like any tool, in order to work it has to be used properly. Right tool for the right job or risk damage to the tool and the job.
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Re: PF Tek SGFC Caps Splitting [Re: Josex]
#27076546 - 12/07/20 04:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Josex said: True that, I think that's part of the problem, very few do that. I can't remember the last time I saw a SGFC crammed full of cakes.
That sounds like one side of what I assume went wrong with my first and currently ongoing grow
It seems as my small and lonely cake didn't get enough RH in my SGFC, I was trying to reach a glistering surface with beads and stuff by misting more, but the Mycelium wasn't healthy anymore to be able to maintain surface tension to be hydrophobic so I ended up over saturating it. I was considering to toss it, as stopping to mist would dry it out and misting it more would damage it further, but I put it in a closed tub with water yesterday and hope for its resurrection
Comparing SGFC with a HC (Water tub whatever) is pretty difficult I guess, both are pretty extreme in a way as the HC maximizes RH and the SGFC maximizes FAE.
For me as noob I guess SGFC seemed to be easy in maintenance and mostly failproof in the beginning, but in reality things aren't that easy. For one part the SGFC is lacking scalability as for actually controll the rapid evaporation easily, to do so I would need to tape the holes in the right and cumbersome way, for the HC on the other side it would be as simple as opening or closing the lid more to some degree. And as for the size of the tub, how I understand it, a SGFC would need to be right for the amount of cakes/substrate inside, but that wouldn't be an issue with a HC, would it? Just my
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Edited by Shroombitz (12/07/20 06:00 AM)
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Re: PF Tek SGFC Caps Splitting [Re: Shroombitz]
#27076554 - 12/07/20 04:46 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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What new growers tend not to realize is that humidity is only part of the equation. Fresh air exchange and bright light are by far more important than saturation humidity, which prevents fruiting. I've left shotgun terrariums with absolutely no misting for over a week to find cakes covered in fruits.
Most problems new growers experience with SGFC are related to not drilling holes in the bottom. That's the most important place for the holes. Per the laws of physics, water evaporates UP, away from gravity. This evaporation causes air to be drawn in through the bottom holes, where it rises through the perlite, absorbing moisture as it goes. This is how you get humidity and air exchange, much like what happens in a cow pasture when the sun comes out after a rain and shines on the cow manure.
All that aside, split caps are caused by a virus, rapid growth, or poor genetics. New growers often confuse 'split caps' with 'cracked caps'. Cracked caps are caused by low humidity, but are extremely rare in any terrarium, regardless of design. When one confronts split caps as the original poster in this thread, it's not a fruiting chamber issue. RR
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Re: PF Tek SGFC Caps Splitting [Re: RogerRabbit] 1
#27076563 - 12/07/20 05:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: I've left shotgun terrariums with absolutely no misting for over a week to find cakes covered in fruits.
I'm pretty sure you know what you are doing by large more than the average noob. And I'm guessing that you have left the Mycelium in perfect conditions, also you didn't say a word over the condition of the Mycelium after that week. Problems like mine seem to show rather over time (death by 1000 cuts), my cake fruited well in the SGFC at first, but seem to rather decline over time. Also I wouldn't be surprised to seem the fruiting in some cases more as a mean of survival of a dying Mycelium, because that is what fruiting is supposed to do, ensure survival of the species, isn't it?
So, the question is, how to make it more failsafe for noobs, not how pros can work under the hardest conditions as the OP may had problems adjusting RH / moisture content of the cake according to Bod.
FYI I followed the tek to spec, so I do have holes in the bottom of my SGFC as well and I didn't lack to consider FAE, RH or light im my equation yet things went South over time or at least didn't go as well as I hoped for, getting a decent first flush, a rather disappointing second one and finally a stalled cake now. Only getting 16g of dry biomass from over 1000g of substrate is telling me that there should be plenty of room for improvement. And I surely try to learn and apply as much as possible.
So if someone finds things that I should have done differently or, more importantly, anything that I should do differently from now on in my first grow, please point them out, I'm happy to learn
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Edited by Shroombitz (12/07/20 02:40 PM)
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