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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ice9]
#27075294 - 12/06/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ice9 said: Hey, here is something that should blow your minds. RNA adjuvants that are active are already in many vaccines. Sold by Dicerna as a way to improve efficacy of a vaccine, and guess what, it works. Difference is it is DS RNA that does not replicate any known viral RNA, where as the mRNA does mimic viral RNA to be translated to a particular protein of covid,. thus creating an immune response with 0 chance of being infected by covid.
Didn't blow my mind I am not anti vaccine at all, I just avoid taking any unnecessary vaccines. The more people who take vaccines the more protected I am so I really want people to take them, just not me. I get one occasionally like I had something jab deep into me from a motor bike crash so I got the vaccine because what if the dirty what ever object that stabbed me was infected but flu vaccines and shit fuck that I will just catch it and rest and move on like I have been my whole life, you are gonna get better evolutionary protection and so will your off spring by catching the thing and not dying than you will by a vaccine.
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: morrowasted]
#27075295 - 12/06/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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replication of a piece of the virus is injected into you
no, it isn't.
look, if I have the blueprint for a house, I can make as many of those houses as I want. I can make a second house without using the materials from the first house.
In the same way, using the genetic blueprint of the RNA that encodes for that spike protein, we can simply make the RNA out of the raw constituents of nucleic acids and a set of enzymes
Yeah its a synthetic piece of a virus that simulates infection, good job for explaining what I already said. Or maybe it isn't synthetic and they are harvesting it, it could be either for all I know or you know.
Synthetic, or not you are getting a replication of that piece of the virus,
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: morrowasted]
#27075299 - 12/06/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Now I already had the virus, so do I need a vaccine mr hospital worker?
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Cracked Egg]
#27075346 - 12/06/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cracked Egg said: Does asante just copy paste wiki pages?
I don't think Wikipedia would let its editors get away with referring to Fritz Haber as a "poison gas guru" 
I know a shitload of stuff and sometimes like to write like it's going out to a publisher.
In the early years I wrote posts that went on for miles, now I usually keep it short.
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: budmanman]
#27075354 - 12/06/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ice9 said: Link doesn't show paper or calculations he used to 8 for every 1 diagnosed... so take that article with a heaping tablespoon of salt, as it is wishful thinking.
Why would I take it with a grain of salt when literally hundreds of outlets are all reporting the same thing?
"The number of coronavirus infections in the U.S. could be nearly eight times higher than current reported cases, according to a new model by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Between Feb. 27 and Sept. 30, there were nearly 6.9 million laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infections, but when researchers adjusted for potential false-negative test results, incomplete reporting of cases and asymptomatic or mildly ill individuals who never got tested, they learned there may have actually been about 52.9 million infections.
That means only 13% of total infections were identified and reported, the team said in their paper published Nov. 25 in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases."
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article247457275.html
From your paper "In other words, about 84% of the U.S. population has yet to contract the coronavirus, “and thus most of the country remains at risk, despite already high rates of hospitalization,” the CDC researchers said."
Also from your paper
"Between Feb. 27 and Sept. 30, there were nearly 6.9 million laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infections, but when researchers adjusted for potential false-negative test results, incomplete reporting of cases and asymptomatic or mildly ill individuals who never got tested, they learned there may have actually been about 52.9 million infections."
I looked online for the original CDC work, and surprise surprise, couldn't find the equation and assumptions, nor the justifications for those assumptions. Not surprising coming from a Trump CDC.
No from my source 1/3 now have it, you see they used data only through September, it is now December and we now have way more confirmed cases so times that by 8 now and you get over 100 million.
But I get it, Orange man bad the CDC can not be trust now.
LOL, they just don't erase data. It is the article you are reading that is making that leap of faith from data 10 months old.
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ice9]
#27075363 - 12/06/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Where did you get erased data from? They used the data when there were only 7 million confirmed cases and now we have 15 million.
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ice9]
#27075375 - 12/06/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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data 10 months old? Your bias is blocking you so badly you don't realize it's not 10 month old data,
Feb. 27 and Sept. 30 lets see here, Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul aug sep, its not 10 month old data, its 7 months of data lmao
You have the worst case of cognitive dissonance and it is pathetic
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: budmanman]
#27076127 - 12/06/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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You are gonna need to site a source because it sounds like you read something and completely miss interpreted it.
funny because that is precisely what you did. you read this
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mRNA vaccines contain material from the virus that causes COVID-19
and thought it meant the mRNA they inject into you literally comes out of a virus. to be fair, it's an understandable misreading of that sentence
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One of the main benefits of mRNA vaccines is that they are relatively easy to crank out. Cells aren't necessary. Instead, everything can be done quickly in test tubes using a handful of chemicals (the "letters" that make up RNA, which are A, U, C, and G) and an enzyme. The resulting mRNA molecules can then be packaged into tiny fat bubbles and injected into the patient.
https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/10/21/how-pfizers-rna-vaccine-works-15104
This is from the cdc
A Closer Look at How COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Work COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the muscle cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.
Next, the cell displays the protein piece on its surface. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.
So a spike proteins that you would find on the surface of a virus is injected into you, so a piece of a virus is or a replication of a piece of the virus is injected into you,
same difference you are infected in a "safe" way and your body responds to the infection.
so wait, the mRNA thats injected into the cells isn't even permanent? the cells get the instructions, makes the protein for a while, then goes "oh eff this shit", throws the blueprints away, then go back to their normal lives? i had thought that this new vaccine was permanently changing those cells to constantly produce this protein for the rest of their lives lol.
if that's the case that kind of makes me feel even more safe about this new vaccine. that seems even safer than a normal vaccine really, since there's no viruses involved.
of course, this is the CDC and i'm not entirely feeling 100% on their information thanks to the trump administration. -,-
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Psion]
#27076140 - 12/06/20 08:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is a new unproperly tested vaccine that they are not sure about so they are willing to give you 1,500 to be a Guinee pig, it is up to you.
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: budmanman]
#27076207 - 12/06/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Most of the people who choose to become subjects for drug trials really really need the money. most of them don't really actually care about the drug they just want the money.
I had a friend who was paid to be a subject in the Seroquel drug trial many years ago. she just wanted the money and she told them she was schizophrenic. They gave her a bottle of pills and she never took them but she lied about the effects.
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What a great drug trial.
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: budmanman]
#27076281 - 12/06/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey scratch out what I just said. She took it one time just to report what it was like. It just made her sleep all day.
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Well that still isn't a very good drug trial horrible data.
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: budmanman]
#27076322 - 12/06/20 11:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anyone that believes people have the right to put anything into their body should also believe people have the right to NOT put anything into their body. My immune system hasn't failed me yet. When/if it does will be the day I start taking (new)vaccines.
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: spirit_shadow]
#27076344 - 12/06/20 11:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Personally, because of covid-19, I've been drinking tons of good quality tea that I order from India, Taiwan and Japan. Before this year, I only drank tea during winter and it keeps me from getting sick, along with daily vitamin c and d.
My immune system hasn't done me wrong yet either.
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: spirit_shadow]
#27076378 - 12/07/20 12:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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spirit_shadow said: Anyone that believes people have the right to put anything into their body should also believe people have the right to NOT put anything into their body. My immune system hasn't failed me yet. When/if it does will be the day I start taking (new)vaccines.
see, there's this funny thing about rights - there's a hierarchy to them. the right to free speech for instance, is all well and good, but it is superseded to the someone else's right to life. this is why you can get in trouble for causing a massive panic by yelling fire in a theater. (ok, this isn't likely to happen, but what if you were to start screaming someone has a gun in a crowded noisy room when no such thing existed?)
likewise, the right to :not: put anything into their body can arguably be superseded by others right to life if by doing so, you are becoming a public health hazard and causing people to die, and the alternative of simply taking a damn vaccine is ridiculously safe odds. if there was an actual reasonable risk to the individual's health, then it would be freedom of life and individual freedom vs freedom of life, at which point it would lean toward the individual's freedom. but this is hardly the case. the risk of vaccines is stupidly low. one in a million odds of dying is probably putting it way too high. one in a billion is probably pushing it. serious complications from vaccines are more mythical than unicorns, while the risk from the viruses they protect against... are not so much.
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Psion]
#27076383 - 12/07/20 12:30 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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so wait, the mRNA thats injected into the cells isn't even permanent? the cells get the instructions, makes the protein for a while, then goes "oh eff this shit", throws the blueprints away, then go back to their normal lives?
precisely
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Asante]
#27077540 - 12/07/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think Wikipedia would let its editors get away with referring to Fritz Haber as a "poison gas guru" 
I know a shitload of stuff and sometimes like to write like it's going out to a publisher.
In the early years I wrote posts that went on for miles, now I usually keep it short.
I did a test and had a greater English vocabulary than 95% of native English speakers 
My vocabulary good 2.
Haha.. my wife is like that too.. the way she speaks and writes is superb (me using a fancy word)
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