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I mean I guess the boy who cried wolf hypothesis might be a good way to go. You have fringe science constantly wrong. Finally they get it right. Adding zinc is the wolf that's actually there.
I mean it's a long shot but nice strategy fal. Broken clock method. Be wrong until you're right then say ha told you
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bodhisatta said: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014
Need more hand holding?
"METHODS We conducted a multicenter, randomized, open-label, three-group, controlled trial involving hospitalized patients with suspected or confirmed Covid-19 who were receiving either no supplemental oxygen or a maximum of 4 liters per minute of supplemental oxygen."
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bodhisatta said: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v2
There's an avalanche of em
METHODS We performed a retrospective analysis of data from patients hospitalized with confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection in all United States Veterans Health Administration medical centers until April 11, 2020.
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bodhisatta said: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2772922
Looking more and more like someone didn't even try.
Also way more sad that only one pro hcq study has managed so sneak by peer review in all this time
Effect of Hydroxychloroquine on Clinical Status at 14 Days in Hospitalized Patients With COVID-19
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A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial from Skipper and colleagues was conducted in 423 outpatients (not in the hospital) with early COVID-19. It was published in the Annals of Internal Medicine in July 2020.
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-4207
Patients received oral hydroxychloroquine (800 mg once, followed by 600 mg in 6 to 8 hours, then 600 mg daily for 4 more days) or a placebo (inactive treatment). Researchers found that over a 14 day period a change in symptom severity and the percent of patients with ongoing symptoms did not differ significantly between groups, signaling no effect from the hydroxychloroquine treatment. However, side effects were significantly greater in the group receiving hydroxychloroquine compared to placebo (43% hydroxychloroquine versus 22% placebo (P < 0.001). Rates of hospitalizations and deaths did not differ significantly. In contrast, a retrospective, observational study conducted from March to early May of 2020 did report a positive effect with hydroxychloroquine on hospitalized patient mortality, used alone and with azithromycin when compared to no treatment. The study was published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases in August 2020. Authors note a limitation to their analysis was the retrospective, non-randomized, non-blinded study design.
Researchers looked at 2,541 patients, with a median total hospitalization time of 6 days. Mortality, by treatment, was 20.1% for hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin, 13.5% for hydroxychloroquine alone, 22.4% for azithromycin alone, and 26.4% for neither drug (p < 0.001). The primary cause of death was respiratory failure in 88% of patients. Adjunct therapy with corticosteroids (methylprednisolone and/or prednisone) and anti-IL-6 tocilizumab was provided in 68% and 4.5% of patients, respectively. Factors such as greater glucocorticoid use in the hydroxychloroquine groups and the nonrandomized study design suggested this data may be flawed and that prospective, randomized controlled studies were needed to validate these results.
Noted, no zinc.
Toxic doses give toxic effects.
HCQ dosing
Usual Adult Dose for Malaria Prophylaxis 400 mg salt (310 mg base) orally once a week
Weight-based dosing: 6.5 mg/kg salt (5 mg/kg base) orally once a week -Maximum dose: 400 mg salt (310 mg base)/dose
Usual Adult Dose for Malaria 800 mg salt (620 mg base) orally as an initial dose, followed by 400 mg salt (310 mg base) at 6, 24, and 48 hours after the initial dose Total dose: 2000 mg salt (1550 mg base)
Weight-based dosing: -First dose: 13 mg/kg salt (10 mg/kg base) orally -Second dose (6 hours after first dose): 6.5 mg/kg salt (5 mg/kg base) orally -Third dose (24 hours after first dose): 6.5 mg/kg salt (5 mg/kg base) orally -Fourth dose (48 hours after first dose): 6.5 mg/kg salt (5 mg/kg base) orally
Maximum Dose: -First dose: 800 mg salt (620 mg base)/dose -Second, third, and fourth dose: 400 mg salt (310 mg base)/dose
Usual Adult Dose for Systemic Lupus Erythematosus 200 to 400 mg salt (155 to 310 mg base)/day orally divided in 1 or 2 doses
Comments: -Doses above 400 mg/day are not recommended. -Higher incidence of retinopathy reported when this maintenance dose is exceeded.
Usual Adult Dose for Rheumatoid Arthritis Initial dose: 400 to 600 mg salt (310 to 465 mg base)/day orally divided in 1 or 2 doses Maintenance dose: 200 to 400 mg salt (155 to 310 mg base)/day orally divided in 1 or 2 doses Maximum dose: 600 mg salt (465 mg base)/day or 6.5 mg/kg salt (5 mg/kg base)/day, whichever is lower
Usual Pediatric Dose for Malaria Prophylaxis 6.5 mg/kg salt (5 mg/kg base) orally once a week Maximum dose: 400 mg salt (310 mg base)/dose
What good is it to set up trials giving doses over maximum recommendations?
It's no wonder those early HCQ trials of hospitalized paitents failed, they're giving too high of doses to people who are already past initial viral replication period.
Early use was not done in many of these trials, who looked at only hospitalized paitents.
Here's this, again.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: So no study proving it wouldn't work? You're just hoping it won't because Trump said it might?
What the fuck does this have to do with trump?
I'll ask again then: "Why did people write it off before the studies were done"?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
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Give it up dude
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bodhisatta said: I mean I guess the boy who cried wolf hypothesis might be a good way to go. You have fringe science constantly wrong. Finally they get it right. Adding zinc is the wolf that's actually there.
I mean it's a long shot but nice strategy fal. Broken clock method. Be wrong until you're right then say ha told you
What did I say that is wrong?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: So no study proving it wouldn't work? You're just hoping it won't because Trump said it might?
What the fuck does this have to do with trump?
I'll ask again then: "Why did people write it off before the studies were done"?
Because it doesn’t work.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I'll ask again then: "Why did people write it off before the studies were done"?
Because it doesn’t work.
How do you know that before the studies are done?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I'll ask again then: "Why did people write it off before the studies were done"?
Because it doesn’t work.
How do you know that before the studies are done?
Because Dr. Fauci says, it's time to do what you're told, and Dr. Fauci told us HCQ doesn't work.
So, we must ignore all else and listen to Saint Fauci.

I just ordered my mug. ETA, December 16th.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
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Take it if you can get your hands on it and refuse the vaccine when it’s available. Nobody gives a shit what you do.
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Except it’s his type of idiocy that is causing the country to have to shut down again
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So my area we have 2 hospitals for about half a million people and were overfilling for the first time since the pandemic (mainly because of successful mask mandates), full on field hospitals in the parking lots. If I got this my dad a war vet with Chem damage in his lungs from the military would be fucked because by the time I show symptoms IF I do it would be too late. With our hospitals at capacity it's terrifying and that's not the mainstream media brainwashing me that's knowing people that died one after another and seeing my hospitals reach breaking point. Still want to push against masks? it's destroying us
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I said nothing about masks. And by my statement and the context of what’s being discussed in the previous posts for several pages, it should be obvious I’m referring to medications and vaccines.
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Just missed the reply feature because I wanted to get that off my chest and make a general statement to those in the thread fighting tooth and nail against masks and any and all lockdowns.
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Seriously_trippin said: So my area we have 2 hospitals for about half a million people and were overfilling for the first time since the pandemic (mainly because of successful mask mandates), full on field hospitals in the parking lots. If I got this my dad a war vet with Chem damage in his lungs from the military would be fucked because by the time I show symptoms IF I do it would be too late. With our hospitals at capacity it's terrifying and that's not the mainstream media brainwashing me that's knowing people that died one after another and seeing my hospitals reach breaking point. Still want to push against masks? it's destroying us
Are there any clinics open near you?
During this pandemic, why were clinics closed? Seriously?
Hospitals run at 60%+ capacity anyway, pandemic or not. If hospitals operated at 20%-40% capacity, they would not be able to pay their bills.
Hospitals are overwhelmed every flu season. Some years it's worse than others.
The 2017-2018 influenza epidemic is sending people to hospitals and urgent-care centers in every state, and medical centers are responding with extraordinary measures: asking staff to work overtime, setting up triage tents, restricting friends and family visits and canceling elective surgeries, to name a few.
“We are pretty much at capacity, and the volume is certainly different from previous flu seasons,” says Dr. Alfred Tallia, professor and chair of family medicine at the Robert Wood Johnson Medical Center in New Brunswick, New Jersey. “I’ve been in practice for 30 years, and it’s been a good 15 or 20 years since I’ve seen a flu-related illness scenario like we’ve had this year.”
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
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Well considering there’s no flu, and hospitals are already over capacity, you might think we have a problem.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
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Curious as to how many people who died of cancer that tested positive with a PCR test of Coronavirus and were chalked up as a Covid19 death.
Where are all those deaths going?
They're usually tallied in their own tolls without a virus death code, made up in 2020 specifically for coronavirus 19.
Image if that Covid death code had never been created and these respiratory deaths are counted as they are, lower respiratory illnesses and influenza.
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Why are influenza deaths tracked in seasons, and resets annually?
Why are there no flu test preformed during weeks 21-39?
Flu testing is up 2000% over last year (likely due to every covid hospitalized patient getting a full viral panel) Positivity rates have dropped from 24% to 0.2%. All the public health measures for covid have made the flu practically extinct
The R0 of the flu is clearly below 1 right now. There were more cases two weeks ago than this week. I see no reason why we wouldn’t have the same result as the Southern Hemisphere, with effectively no flu whatsoever.
 
Over 2000%?
That's not what this is showing.
2020-2021 weeks 40, 41, 42 and 43 there were less than 20k.
2019-2020 only week 40 had less than 20k. 41, 42, and 43 were all over 20k tested.
Week 48 there were again less than 20k tested this season, while 2019-2020 week 48 there were over 26k tested.
Are you sure koods?
I'm going to need some peer reviews on this shit.
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During this pandemic, why were clinics closed? Seriously?
Because people with a highly contagious virus would infect everyone in a clinic not equipped to deal with that situation. Seriously?
You think the flu season in 2018 was a serious situation. Here’s the data. It caused a few weeks of 10-15% excess mortality in the US. Covid has been causing 10-40% excess mortality every single fucking week since mid March. Why the disconnect?
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HamHead said: So strange how heart disease deaths have declined.
Curious as to how many people who died of cancer that tested positive with a PCR test of Coronavirus and were chalked up as a Covid19 death.
Where are all those deaths going?
They're usually tallied in their own tolls without a virus death code, made up in 2020 specifically for coronavirus 19.
Image if that Covid death code had never been created and these respiratory deaths are counted as they are, lower respiratory illnesses and influenza.
Edit.
Why are influenza deaths tracked in seasons, and resets annually?
Why are there no flu test preformed during weeks 21-39?
Flu testing is up 2000% over last year (likely due to every covid hospitalized patient getting a full viral panel) Positivity rates have dropped from 24% to 0.2%. All the public health measures for covid have made the flu practically extinct
The R0 of the flu is clearly below 1 right now. There were more cases two weeks ago than this week. I see no reason why we wouldn’t have the same result as the Southern Hemisphere, with effectively no flu whatsoever.
 
Over 2000%?
That's not what this is showing.
2020-2021 weeks 40, 41, 42 and 43 there were less than 20k.
2019-2020 only week 40 had less than 20k. 41, 42, and 43 were all over 20k tested.
Week 48 there were again less than 20k tested this season, while 2019-2020 week 48 there were over 26k tested.
Are you sure koods?
I'm going to need some peer reviews on this shit.
You know what. I’m not going to even debate you on the number of tests. I just going to concede to you the testing is essentially the same this year as last year at clinical labs. Now look at the positivity rates for this year compared to last year. The positivity rates this year are a fraction of what they were last year. This year the cases number in the dozens, not the thousands like last year. More significantly there is almost no growth in cases week over week this year.
And now let’s go back to the number of tests. Public health labs are testing significantly more than last year. -11,000 in 2019 compared to 140,000 in 2020. Notice you didn’t include public health lab data from last year in your post. Pretty dishonest.
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Let’s compare week 47 2019 to week 47 2020
2019: 30000 tests run, 2350 positives 2020: 36000 tests run, 60 positives
You’re not tethered to reality if you think the flu is responsible for any of this. Fucking crazy town.
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Sad news guys. Rudy Guiliani was admitted to Georgetown Univetsity hospital tonight, with what I assume is a bad case of the flu.
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