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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 4
    #27075193 - 12/06/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I believe the establishment is the wealthy elite who support the military industrial complex, which is why I don't think Trump is part of the establishment,



Which part disqualifies Trump?  Is he not wealthy?  Is he not elite?  He sure as hell supports the military industrial complex:

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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Ezuma]
    #27075204 - 12/06/20 12:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Trump increased military spending, has conducted record breaking arms deals with
foreign nations, assassinated foreign military officials, wanted a military parade
to uphold the appearance of a strong MIC to foreign nations, etc.

These hardly seem like the actions of an anti war president. We're lucky the
assassination of soleimani didnt lead to an all out war on its own.

Seems like you are going off trumps one comment about generals wanting war so
manufacturers can stay happy as a sign that trump is anti war. It's not.




replied to wrong post I think?


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its the most powerful tool we used to have against robber barons, voting




sadly no, voting isn't our most powerful tool to resist. Both parties are robber barons, to use your term, and one of the two will win each election whether or not you chose to vote. Even if you organize a mass anti-voting movement, it won't matter, as one of those two will end up victorious whether its with 70 000 000 votes or 7



Yes that was a reply to fal.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: natedawgnow]
    #27075218 - 12/06/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

the fringe? trump was voted in by the republican base... and he only dealt with 'high class' prostitutes like his wife


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27075259 - 12/06/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Because voting for the Green Party wouldn't have given the Green Party a win.  Voting for the Republican party might hopefully send a message to Democrats that some people don't like establishment (military industrial complex) politics.



Hasn't the Green Party always been a long-shot third party? Why did the condition 'if the Green Party won't win, then I'll change my vote' only take effect in 2020?

Wouldn't continuing to vote for the Green Party have been an effective message, to both Democrats and Republicans, that some people don't like establishment politics - while also supporting the Green Party?



You make a fair point.  But to me, Trump was the first anti-military industrial complex President we've had, and I like that about him.




Bro the guy who coined the term was a president lol


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic] * 4
    #27075262 - 12/06/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Trump’s actions with regard to Israel and Iran alone, and the escalations therein, should be enough to show he’s in no meaningful way “anti war” or “anti MIC”

And if you want to argue that the decisions to move the embassy to Jerusalem, assassinate Soleimani, and shred the JCPOA were all plans in motion that trump really couldn’t stop, then you have to stop pretending the President is the only person who directs US foreign policy. The ghouls he surrounds himself with are the same ones Obama did, same ones Bush did.

The ‘establishment” will not allow an executive branch that’s hostile to the interests of the empire. The last one who threatened to rein it in was assassinated. And then his brother. Before that, folks that may have a chance for the presidency, like Eugene Debs, were jailed for being against war.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: natedawgnow]
    #27075263 - 12/06/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Trump increased military spending...



As a percentage of GDP, he's spending less than Bush or Obama did.

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...has conducted record breaking arms deals with foreign nations...



This I don't care about, since it's other country's money coming into the US

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...assassinated foreign military officials...



And I criticized him for this, but at least it didn't start a war.

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wanted a military parade to uphold the appearance of a strong MIC to foreign nations, etc.



Is there any reason we should care whether or not our military holds parades?  When I was growing up, I saw airshows all the time.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated] * 1
    #27075264 - 12/06/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

He only raped his wife and youre fine with that? I mean I get it. Youre okay if trump is accused of rape just not biden. If that ain't some elites garbage idk what is...


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27075265 - 12/06/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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...to me, Trump was the first anti-military industrial complex President we've had, and I like that about him.



Bro the guy who coined the term was a president lol



Exactly - he warned "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex".


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated]
    #27075268 - 12/06/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

And yes, trump riled up the base by bringing the fringe ideas of the right, that seemed like a stupid fantasy, to the forefront of his campaign. Building a wall, deep state conspiracies, shit like that was all fringe bullshit (It still is vullshit) til trump came around.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27075269 - 12/06/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Trump’s actions with regard to Israel and Iran alone, and the escalations therein, should be enough to show he’s in no meaningful way “anti war” or “anti MIC”



I too share your disagreement with his positions in those areas, but which wars are you referring to?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27075270 - 12/06/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Trump constantly brags about spending money to buy weapons and planes and tanks. You’re deluisonal.

He’s the most pro military industrial complex president since Reagan


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #27075273 - 12/06/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think there’s a meaningful distinction to be made here between being against the military, and being against the for profit military. Eisenhower was against the latter, but he wanted to nuke North Korea for fucks sake. He never reached the level of conscience of folks like Smedley Butler, who realized that what was painted to him as brave national defense was really just being a mercenary for corporate profit.

And that’s all the military is, especially in our lifetimes. Once you understand the military as an extension of that, it’s pretty easy to write off the idea that Trump has serious opposition to war. The man is just too stupid to realize the underlying benefits of an invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan. He’s a deal guy. The deal he sees is we spent trillions and had thousands die in Afghanistan for nothing. We didn’t even win the war folks! He’s just too stupid to see the bigger picture. If some shitheel at Kissinger and Associates sat him down and explained it to him he’d be giddy about it.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27075278 - 12/06/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Trump constantly brags about spending money to buy weapons and planes and tanks. You’re deluisonal.

He’s the most pro military industrial complex president since Reagan




Both Bushes were worse.

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Trump’s actions with regard to Israel and Iran alone, and the escalations therein, should be enough to show he’s in no meaningful way “anti war” or “anti MIC”



I too share your disagreement with his positions in those areas, but which wars are you referring to?




Any and all wars. Trump didn’t end any wars. He very well tried to incite a few.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27075280 - 12/06/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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As a percentage of GDP, he's spending less than Bush or Obama did.




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Trump constantly brags about spending money to buy weapons and planes and tanks. You’re deluisonal.

He’s the most pro military industrial complex president since Reagan



Is he spending a higher percentage of GDP than Bush or Obama?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27075282 - 12/06/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Trump fired every last IG, we have no clue whats going on, really

but the economic warfare of the trump administration indicates that the party is shifting to a more marketable form of regional destabalization


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic] * 5
    #27075286 - 12/06/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Koods I dunno how you can look at the GWB presidency, launching two wars, killing over a million people, creating an entirely new federal institution to ostensibly “tackle terrorism,” the militarization of our airports and other border areas, the ramp up of drones and surveillance apparatus, the acceleration of private armies like Blackwater, and conclude Trump is worse. Help me out here.

I mean hell, Obama didn’t even really scale Back the Bush doctrine on foreign policy (or really anything else). Trump just represents the next logical progression of our gasping empire. This is what I mean when I say it’s not like each president just writes a new playbook on foreign policy after inauguration. The shit is 99% on rails. That’s why the federal government didn’t grind to a halt when a dipshit like Trump took over.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27075290 - 12/06/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

maybe cause blackwater is in control of the department of education and we have kids failing at record rates this year who will ultimately become mercs for hire because thats what destabilization is


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27075291 - 12/06/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I too share your disagreement with his positions in those areas, but which wars are you referring to?



Any and all wars. Trump didn’t end any wars. He very well tried to incite a few.



Trump didn't start any new wars.  I'll make a bet that Biden will.  And/or that he'll reverse the slowdown that we've seen in places like Syria and Afghanistan.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27075293 - 12/06/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I too share your disagreement with his positions in those areas, but which wars are you referring to?



Any and all wars. Trump didn’t end any wars. He very well tried to incite a few.



Trump didn't start any new wars.  I'll make a bet that Biden will.  And/or that he'll reverse the slowdown that we've seen in places like Syria and Afghanistan.




Assassinating Soleimani was a dangerous escalation. Trump was either too stupid to know that, or too incompetent to stop it.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27075305 - 12/06/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Assassinating Soleimani was a dangerous escalation. Trump was either too stupid to know that, or too incompetent to stop it.



I agree that was a very bad move.  As I previously said, "I criticized him for this, but at least it didn't start a war."


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