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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: budmanman]
    #27075060 - 12/06/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

N95 masks are rated to keep out 95% of virus particles and covid is transmitted through larger aerosols

theres no chance of u catching it at work, at least with ppe in a negative pressure setting


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: budmanman]
    #27075065 - 12/06/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Link doesn't show paper or calculations he used to 8 for every 1 diagnosed... so take that article with a heaping tablespoon of salt, as it is wishful thinking.


mRNA vaccines have never been tried so there was plenty of skepticism in the science community if they would work and would they yield a useful efficacy rate.  Those concerns have been put to bed, and the future a vaccines ins mRNA for positive sense RNA virus'.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: cannabinated]
    #27075066 - 12/06/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You are gonna need to site a source because it sounds like you read something and completely miss interpreted it.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: morrowasted]
    #27075070 - 12/06/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Vaccines infect you with the virus in a "safe" way, either with a live or dead virus.


Just as a side note, this one does not work in either of those ways. There is no virus whatsover




Ok then how does it work? Because I am quite sure that there is no vaccine that works any other way so please enlighten me.



this type of vaccine just uses a piece of genetic material that, after it is injected into you, goes into your cell, where your cell uses it to make and release a certain type of protein into your system. this protein gets sensed by your immune system, and in response, your immune system makes antibodies that have the right shape to bind to and disable SARS-CoV-2.

previously they would extract the proteins from the viruses, or just kill the virus itself, like you said, but now your own body will be making the proteins from genetic material. the mRNA isn't actually taken out of viruses, they just use the viral mRNA as a blueprint for synthesizing it

theoretically it should be very effective and, unlike other vaccines, does not require the use of adjuvants, which is something antivaxxers like to bitch about. i somehow doubt that this will appease them though




You are gonna need to site a source because it sounds like you read something and completely miss interpreted it.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: budmanman]
    #27075073 - 12/06/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I've been getting tested every week since like june

If I got virus in me it can't have been enough to develop antibodies or the test would have picked it up. it's possible i've had some virus get in my system here and there and get knocked out by my innate immunity really quickly, but in that case I do not have covid antibodies.




Doesn't matter the tests are bullshit my wife works in a nursing home and people who ended up not having the virus test positive all the time and people who tested negative ended up having the virus all along, most test are flawed mass produced garbage and if you work in a hospital I am shocked you haven't figured this out yet.



The PCR test is quite accurate

occasionally some bimbo doesn't do the test right but if you have a good sample, the chance of getting a false negative is pretty miniscule.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ice9]
    #27075075 - 12/06/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Link doesn't show paper or calculations he used to 8 for every 1 diagnosed... so take that article with a heaping tablespoon of salt, as it is wishful thinking.




Why would I take it with a grain of salt when literally hundreds of outlets are all reporting the same thing?

"The number of coronavirus infections in the U.S. could be nearly eight times higher than current reported cases, according to a new model by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Between Feb. 27 and Sept. 30, there were nearly 6.9 million laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infections, but when researchers adjusted for potential false-negative test results, incomplete reporting of cases and asymptomatic or mildly ill individuals who never got tested, they learned there may have actually been about 52.9 million infections.

That means only 13% of total infections were identified and reported, the team said in their paper published Nov. 25 in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article247457275.html


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #27075079 - 12/06/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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You are gonna need to site a source because it sounds like you read something and completely miss interpreted it.



funny because that is precisely what you did. you read this

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mRNA vaccines contain material from the virus that causes COVID-19



and thought it meant the mRNA they inject into you literally comes out of a virus. to be fair, it's an understandable misreading of that sentence

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One of the main benefits of mRNA vaccines is that they are relatively easy to crank out. Cells aren't necessary. Instead, everything can be done quickly in test tubes using a handful of chemicals (the "letters" that make up RNA, which are A, U, C, and G) and an enzyme. The resulting mRNA molecules can then be packaged into tiny fat bubbles and injected into the patient.




https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/10/21/how-pfizers-rna-vaccine-works-15104


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: budmanman]
    #27075081 - 12/06/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

so you would jump off a bridge if many major media outlets told you it was the shit?


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: budmanman] * 2
    #27075087 - 12/06/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not saying that there isn't/has not been vaccine issues.

But an honest and appropriate skeptical perspective of the vaccines safety would be citing and quoting adverse effects from previous vaccines, not whatabout-ing with random shit like oxycodone and alprazolam or how the media hyped H1N1 or something.

Then we could go the details of what made said vaccine (in this case polio) dangerous and how we have gotten drastically better at making vaccines.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: budmanman]
    #27075093 - 12/06/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Link doesn't show paper or calculations he used to 8 for every 1 diagnosed... so take that article with a heaping tablespoon of salt, as it is wishful thinking.




Why would I take it with a grain of salt when literally hundreds of outlets are all reporting the same thing?

"The number of coronavirus infections in the U.S. could be nearly eight times higher than current reported cases, according to a new model by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Between Feb. 27 and Sept. 30, there were nearly 6.9 million laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infections, but when researchers adjusted for potential false-negative test results, incomplete reporting of cases and asymptomatic or mildly ill individuals who never got tested, they learned there may have actually been about 52.9 million infections.

That means only 13% of total infections were identified and reported, the team said in their paper published Nov. 25 in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article247457275.html




From your paper
"In other words, about 84% of the U.S. population has yet to contract the coronavirus, “and thus most of the country remains at risk, despite already high rates of hospitalization,” the CDC researchers said."

Also from your paper

"Between Feb. 27 and Sept. 30, there were nearly 6.9 million laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infections, but when researchers adjusted for potential false-negative test results, incomplete reporting of cases and asymptomatic or mildly ill individuals who never got tested, they learned there may have actually been about 52.9 million infections."

I looked  online for the original CDC work, and surprise surprise, couldn't find the equation and assumptions, nor the justifications for those assumptions.  Not surprising coming from a Trump CDC.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ice9]
    #27075100 - 12/06/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hey, here is something that should blow your minds.  RNA adjuvants that are active are already in many vaccines.  Sold by Dicerna as a way to improve efficacy of a vaccine, and guess what, it works.  Difference is it is DS RNA that does not replicate any known viral RNA, where as the mRNA does mimic viral RNA to be translated to a particular protein of covid,. thus creating an immune response with 0 chance of being infected by covid.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: metalfaith]
    #27075105 - 12/06/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not saying that there isn't/has not been vaccine issues.

But an honest and appropriate skeptical perspective of the vaccines safety would be citing and quoting adverse effects from previous vaccines, not whatabout-ing with random shit like oxycodone and alprazolam or how the media hyped H1N1 or something.

Then we could go the details of what made said vaccine (in this case polio) dangerous and how we have gotten drastically better at making vaccines.


For real. The form of the argument is basically the same as, "People who called themselves doctors used trick mothers into to getting themselves and their babies hooked on morphine, therefore you can't trust anyone who calls themselves a doctor today."


There was a 3 year period where street acid wasn't trustworthy because of all of the 25i-nBOME going around.

Clearly anyone taking LSD these days has realized that it makes no sense at all to judge what's safe/right in every single scenario where paper tabs are involved based on the fact that there was a period of time where you couldn't trust paper tabs.

That's because if you want to know the truth about any particular question, you have to actually investigate the answer to the question.

Invoking the past is basically just saying, "Eh, I've already answered this question."

Which almost always represents a failure to distinguish between two different questions.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ice9]
    #27075108 - 12/06/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

there might be some genetic anomalies tho... just calling random proteins harmless cause they didnt effect a certain population doesnt mean much

the content of the mRNA does


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #27075112 - 12/06/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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It's why we can't have nice things



I don't follow?



I meant we're so obsessed with the idea that we are atomized individuals in north america, we largely shun the notion of community involvement, participating in anything bigger than ourselves or doing anything that isn't to our own personal, immediate benefit. Rugged individualism has been so enshrined in our brains by media many of us are more concerned with being the sucker of a zero sum game, than with producing preferable results for the whole of our community or country


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: cannabinated]
    #27075115 - 12/06/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

part of the reason for testing certain brown populations is cause of genetics

heterozygosity of DNA is always accounted for in vaccine studies

which i assume indigenous populations have much different DNA


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: morrowasted]
    #27075277 - 12/06/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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You are gonna need to site a source because it sounds like you read something and completely miss interpreted it.



funny because that is precisely what you did. you read this

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mRNA vaccines contain material from the virus that causes COVID-19



and thought it meant the mRNA they inject into you literally comes out of a virus. to be fair, it's an understandable misreading of that sentence

Quote:

One of the main benefits of mRNA vaccines is that they are relatively easy to crank out. Cells aren't necessary. Instead, everything can be done quickly in test tubes using a handful of chemicals (the "letters" that make up RNA, which are A, U, C, and G) and an enzyme. The resulting mRNA molecules can then be packaged into tiny fat bubbles and injected into the patient.




https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/10/21/how-pfizers-rna-vaccine-works-15104




This is from the cdc

A Closer Look at How COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Work
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the muscle cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.

Next, the cell displays the protein piece on its surface. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.

So a spike proteins that you would find on the surface of a virus is injected into you, so a piece of a virus is or a replication of a piece of the virus is injected into you,

same difference you are infected in a "safe" way and your body responds to the infection.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: cannabinated]
    #27075283 - 12/06/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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so you would jump off a bridge if many major media outlets told you it was the shit?




if many different outlets are all reporting the same thing, then that gives it more credibility than a 1 offshoot branch. Everyone in this group here doesn't trust first hand accounts of the virus, which I have, as I had it so they want evidence and the evidence I can get comes from sources, of which I have a lot of.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: metalfaith]
    #27075285 - 12/06/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not saying that there isn't/has not been vaccine issues.

But an honest and appropriate skeptical perspective of the vaccines safety would be citing and quoting adverse effects from previous vaccines, not whatabout-ing with random shit like oxycodone and alprazolam or how the media hyped H1N1 or something.

Then we could go the details of what made said vaccine (in this case polio) dangerous and how we have gotten drastically better at making vaccines.




This vaccine is a new type made in a new way etc, shit the one that they really wanna put out doesn't even go into the muscle they inject some kind of strip just under your skin.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ice9]
    #27075289 - 12/06/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Link doesn't show paper or calculations he used to 8 for every 1 diagnosed... so take that article with a heaping tablespoon of salt, as it is wishful thinking.




Why would I take it with a grain of salt when literally hundreds of outlets are all reporting the same thing?

"The number of coronavirus infections in the U.S. could be nearly eight times higher than current reported cases, according to a new model by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Between Feb. 27 and Sept. 30, there were nearly 6.9 million laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infections, but when researchers adjusted for potential false-negative test results, incomplete reporting of cases and asymptomatic or mildly ill individuals who never got tested, they learned there may have actually been about 52.9 million infections.

That means only 13% of total infections were identified and reported, the team said in their paper published Nov. 25 in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article247457275.html




From your paper
"In other words, about 84% of the U.S. population has yet to contract the coronavirus, “and thus most of the country remains at risk, despite already high rates of hospitalization,” the CDC researchers said."

Also from your paper

"Between Feb. 27 and Sept. 30, there were nearly 6.9 million laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infections, but when researchers adjusted for potential false-negative test results, incomplete reporting of cases and asymptomatic or mildly ill individuals who never got tested, they learned there may have actually been about 52.9 million infections."

I looked  online for the original CDC work, and surprise surprise, couldn't find the equation and assumptions, nor the justifications for those assumptions.  Not surprising coming from a Trump CDC.




No from my source 1/3 now have it, you see they used data only through September, it is now December and we now have way more confirmed cases so times that by 8 now and you get over 100 million.

But I get it, Orange man bad the CDC can not be trust now.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: budmanman]
    #27075292 - 12/06/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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replication of a piece of the virus is injected into you


no, it isn't.

look, if I have the blueprint for a house, I can make as many of those houses as I want. I can make a second house without using the materials from the first house.

In the same way, using the genetic blueprint of the RNA that encodes for that spike protein, we can simply make the RNA out of the raw constituents of nucleic acids and a set of enzymes


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