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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27080717 - 12/09/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting view! Il have to ponder on it more to really absorb it all.

The thing that I really like about both of them is their advocation for transcendental experiences and are both fascinated with the power of entheogens, also both are jungian thinkers..
Jordan peterson is a master of duality and I loved how he applied that concept when understanding topics. As a libra I really identify with that concept of balancing opposing energies.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27081461 - 12/10/20 02:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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And to be fair, I would warn my own kid against using DMT or psychedelics. That doesn't make me an idiot worthy of contempt or demonizing, I don't think, as to my mind it's just me being responsible! He probably feels similarly towards wider society in general.





FWIW I don't call him an idiot because he's warning against using it.  It's because he's conflating a whole lot of rubbish together that has nothing to do with DMT itself to support his blanket warning.  Go back and see where he talks about "touching the subconscious" being incredible dangerous because of blah blah and blah.  This is not even remotely accurate, and it isn't based in any real science either.  Never mind oral DMT being active all by itself, and that it destroys serotonin receptors - just rubbish. 

No, I call him an idiot because he's wrong about so much of what he said that it leaves little opportunity for him to actually be correct about any of the rest of it. :shrug:





To be honest I understand where you were coming from, as as I mentioned after that post I didn’t catch some of the more outlandish things he was saying and was trying to reconstruct the deleted conversation from memory. Although I’m not rushing to judgment as I’m not certain what he’s saying is indeed bullshit. If he is indeed a neuroscientist he probably knows a thing or two and I doubt he’d be lying. Question is for me is, is he really who he says he is?


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27081507 - 12/10/20 03:16 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You're hurting the cause.

He will remain an idiot if people have that attitude towards him ... no guess needed.:lol:


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #27082293 - 12/10/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Hes probably just some punk kid that thinks he knows everything. Hes not interested in considering anyones point of  view. He just wants to tell you how "it is."
What an arrogant tool





That's totally the impression I got when I first read the OP when it was still posted :yesnod: .




I've enjoyed reading through some of the posts & conversation in this thread though :thumbup: .





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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: wolf8312] * 1
    #27082345 - 12/10/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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To be honest I understand where you were coming from, as as I mentioned after that post I didn’t catch some of the more outlandish things he was saying and was trying to reconstruct the deleted conversation from memory. Although I’m not rushing to judgment as I’m not certain what he’s saying is indeed bullshit. If he is indeed a neuroscientist he probably knows a thing or two and I doubt he’d be lying. Question is for me is, is he really who he says he is?





Well just go look it up, then.  Nothing indicates he's actually a neuroscientist, and a great deal indicates the opposite.  Ignorance foremost.  :shrug:


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: pineninja]
    #27082386 - 12/10/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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You're hurting the cause.

He will remain an idiot if people have that attitude towards him ... no guess needed.:lol:





I don't disagree with that entirely.  :buzzaldrin:


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27082648 - 12/10/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder if he's been reading this thread, now it has been linked for him. 

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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Northerner]
    #27082658 - 12/10/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

i unsent the messages linking it, most he has is the name of the site.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27082683 - 12/10/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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To be honest I understand where you were coming from, as as I mentioned after that post I didn’t catch some of the more outlandish things he was saying and was trying to reconstruct the deleted conversation from memory. Although I’m not rushing to judgment as I’m not certain what he’s saying is indeed bullshit. If he is indeed a neuroscientist he probably knows a thing or two and I doubt he’d be lying. Question is for me is, is he really who he says he is?





Well just go look it up, then.  Nothing indicates he's actually a neuroscientist, and a great deal indicates the opposite.  Ignorance foremost.  :shrug:




I'm not really losing enough sleep over it to start an investigation mate!

Prolonged use/abuse of DMT having possibly adverse long term effects on the brian while unlikely, isn't the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, and if it was coming from an honest to god scientist I'd probably listen! Do any of us really know for sure?

As for his saying 'touching the subconcious is dangerous' making him an idiot, well to be honest it might depend on what a person has lurking back there!

I've always believed (and made posts about) myself that this can mean the difference between simply tripping hard and psychotic breakdown for quite a significant portion of unstable people, and most of us can be unstable or vulnerable sometimes.

I agree he seems rather dodgy but then I didn't feel like he was an 'idiot' on first impressions from what little I can remember.

Some of what he was saying I seem to remember agreeing with to be fair.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: wolf8312]
    #27082697 - 12/10/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

hes not experienced enough and his risk/reward ratio is wayy out of wack and inaccurate.
plus hes a lying bullshiter :shrug:


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] * 2
    #27082737 - 12/10/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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plus hes a lying bullshiter :shrug:




Yeah but he's also expressing opinions unlikey to go down well on a psychdelic drugs forum to be fair! It's a bit like me going to a forum dedicated to CYBERPUNK 2077 and shitting all over it! We're all a little biased!

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his risk:reward ratio is wayy out of wack and inaccurate




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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: wolf8312]
    #27082740 - 12/10/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

hes not weighing potential risk against potential benefits properly, for instance a lot of hard drugs have a bad risk/reward ratio in comparison.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE]
    #27082789 - 12/10/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

also being pro-DMT and anti-DMT is somewhat of a political agenda that's largely based on your value systems.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] * 2
    #27082824 - 12/10/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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hes not weighing potential risk against potential benefits properly, for instance a lot of hard drugs have a bad risk/reward ratio in comparison.




But equally is it not interesting to consider, that DMT, being one of the most potent substances known to man, also has no real tolerance to speak of. This makes it not only eye poppingly potent but also very easy to abuse for those so inclined.

It's obviously self evident that everthing we love in our universe has its price/paradox so is it really that much of a reach to at least entertain the possibility that there could be long term consequences for abusing a drug like DMT on a prolonged daily basis?

I think we should at least be open to the possibility of this knowing how many other drugs before it were later revealed to be more dangerous and damaging than people had previously thought.

I've always believed that LSD would be a seriously hard and damaging drug, akin to a powerful amphetamine, were it not for the fact that it produces rapid tolerance and respite.

I'm not saying he's right (or even real) Sleepy as I honestly don't know, but as you say yourself this subject is contaminated somewhat by partisan politics where objectivity or a willingness to hear out the the other sides point of view without flippant or contemptuous dismissiveness, is often absent.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: wolf8312]
    #27082866 - 12/10/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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contaminated somewhat by partisan politics where objectivity or a willingness to hear out the the other sides point of view without flippant or contemptuous dismissiveness, is often absent.



the subject is literally a Rorschach test in personal values, i know what the other side values and it sucks, not for me.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] * 2
    #27082891 - 12/10/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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contaminated somewhat by partisan politics where objectivity or a willingness to hear out the the other sides point of view without flippant or contemptuous dismissiveness, is often absent.



The subject is literally a Rorschach test in personal values,






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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: wolf8312]
    #27082941 - 12/10/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

hah i love frasier :P


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #27082964 - 12/10/20 08:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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hah i love frasier :P




Me too! :smile:


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: wolf8312]
    #27083061 - 12/10/20 09:21 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Well just go look it up, then.  Nothing indicates he's actually a neuroscientist, and a great deal indicates the opposite.  Ignorance foremost.  :shrug:




I'm not really losing enough sleep over it to start an investigation mate!

Prolonged use/abuse of DMT having possibly adverse long term effects on the brian while unlikely, isn't the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, and if it was coming from an honest to god scientist I'd probably listen! Do any of us really know for sure?






Nah, I'm talking about "DMT destroys neuroreceptors", just google that. There is nothing online about this being remotely true.  An actual neuroscientist, or even a halfway student, would realize this.  There's no mechanism for this happening.

It's fine to give people a provisional pass when they make sense about some things, but this is just utter bullshit.  As the title of the thread now indicates. And it was central to his (now deleted) argument. :laugh2:

Have a better one.  :cookiemonster:


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27083124 - 12/10/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Well just go look it up, then.  Nothing indicates he's actually a neuroscientist, and a great deal indicates the opposite.  Ignorance foremost.  :shrug:




I'm not really losing enough sleep over it to start an investigation mate!

Prolonged use/abuse of DMT having possibly adverse long term effects on the brian while unlikely, isn't the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, and if it was coming from an honest to god scientist I'd probably listen! Do any of us really know for sure?






Nah, I'm talking about "DMT destroys neuroreceptors", just google that. There is nothing online about this being remotely true.  An actual neuroscientist, or even a halfway student, would realize this.  There's no mechanism for this happening.

It's fine to give people a provisional pass when they make sense about some things, but this is just utter bullshit.  As the title of the thread now indicates. And it was central to his (now deleted) argument. :laugh2:

Have a better one.  :cookiemonster:





I actually thought it was supposed to be the exact opposite to be honest. I seem to remember there being something about that on the shroomery recently.


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